Total Axis Victory in World War Two

Kongzilla

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But where would Hitlers need for WW2 come about now, they won. They wouldn't blame the Jews for stabbing them in the back and they wouldn't have anything against slavic people because they beat them. France will be to weak to start WW2. And Britain will not touch it with a ten foot pole.
 

Robert

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Kaiser Wilhelm II falls victim to the anti-monarchist feelings that brought down Czar Nicholas II. Wolfgang Kapp united the German military with the idea that total victory would have been attained had not the Kaiser agreed to let the French and British off easy.

Kapp seized power in the aftermath, but died soon afterwards, serving as a German Kerensky to Hitler.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm II falls victim to the anti-monarchist feelings that brought down Czar Nicholas II. Wolfgang Kapp united the German military with the idea that total victory would have been attained had not the Kaiser agreed to let the French and British off easy.

It took the failed 1905 Revolution plus Russia getting its head handed to it in a platter for Tsar Nicholas II to fall. A victorious Germany isn't going to fall to an anti-monarchist military coup; not even the German Socialist Party was calling for a Republic and no defeat in war means the idea is unlikely to be on the table to begin with.

Robert said:
Kapp seized power in the aftermath, but died soon afterwards, serving as a German Kerensky to Hitler.

Hitler was not Lenin, not in 1923. Vladimir Lenin was the head of a political party which had been active for years with agents all over Russia. Adolf Hitler in 1923, by contrast, was a charismatic war vet with a chip on his shoulder and a lot of ambition.
 

Das_Colonel

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Robert

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Timeline for Axis World Victory Continued

1924 - President Cox defeated for re-election by Hiram Johnson.

1925 - Popular Front government comes to power in France. Communist agitation in British Empire. Army Air Corps Lt. Col. Billy Mitchell killed in airplane crash.

1927 - Trotsky leads Communist Revolution in Mexico. President Johnson sends troops to intervene. Army Capt. George S. Patton killed in Vera Cruz.

1928 - President Johnson defeated for re-election by Norman Thomas.

1929 - President Thomas ends U.S. involvement in Mexico. Communist Government comes to power. Army Major General Douglas MacArthur retires.

1930 - Germany annexes Austria-Hungary. Communist revolution in India.
 

Robert

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Total Axis Victory Timeline Contiued

1931 - Japan invades China. President Thomas supports of Indian Communist movement leads to tensions with Britain.

1932 - President Thomas defeated for re-election by New York Governor Theodore Roosevelt Jr..

1933 - President Roosevelt begins naval modernization program.

1934 - Hitler invades Ottoman Empire. German use of tanks and aircraft in "Blitzkrieg" overrun Turkey by end of year.

1935 - Second Russo-Japanese War begins after incident in Manchuria. Japanese Navy destroys Russian Far East Fleet in carrier attack. Vladivostok falls. Col. Dwight D. Eisenhower retires from U.S. Army. Capt. William Halsey retires from U.S. Navy.

1936 - Hitler signs Secret Pact with Japan. Germany Army invades Russia from Ukrainian bases. Moscow and St. Petersburg fall. Japanese Army sweeps westward in Russia.

1937 - Japanese and German forces meet at Novosibirsk in Russia. Communist movement in U.S. from Mexico. Border clashes between U.S. and Canada.

1938 - Anti-Communist Pact between Japan and Germany leads to Joint Invasion of India. Persia annexed by Germany.

1939 - War between British Empire and United States over Canada. U.S. invasion stalls due to lack of modern equipment. U.S. and British Navies destroy each other in Battle of Nova Scotia.

1940 - War continues. President Roosevelt defeated by Huey Long.
 
Stage War!

The 3W wargame Tomorrow The World simulates a Third World War between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan in 1948, three years after they have divided the world between them. The main POD is that Hitler came to power in Germany in 1923.

How could the Axis won a complete victory in the Second World War?

The only way I see it really happening is if you have a war in stages, shoring up gains and exploiting new industrial capacity while still running a sensible economy back home in Nazi Germany (somehow).

You need an totally isolationist America that isn't going to get involved until they are directly threatened. Also Nazis need to be less anti-semitic and embrace nuclear physics properly. Also the nazis need to be able to work in secret and have no interference from espionage at all.

Ally with the USSR then do small scale invasions of central European countries, while telling the British and French some lies, consolidate gains. Then dash for Moscow, kill Stalin and topple the Government while telling the British and French you're fighting the reds for them, consolidate previously soviet industry. Next have a few years secretly building stuff in Russia, invade France and plonk all your forces at the channel, forcing peace from the British, destroying or effectively ransoming any BEF forces for peace.

Uneasy peace broken a few years later with surprise atomic or sarin attacks (why not eh?) across all major British cities at once effectively ending Britain as a power but bringing america into the war. This then followed by the revelation of a secret alliance with Mexico and joint japanese, german and mexican invasion steamrolls into texas and uses it as a place to launch atomic or massive chemical attacks on all major US cities. US collapses and axis rule supreme.

Not very likely though.....
 
Also, this would take ages. Probably wouldn't be able to invade America until the early 50s even if he came to power in 1923 as for it to work everything would have to keep stopping for a credible time that allowed people to think you weren't going to do it again and stop you prematurely.

It's all rather silly though...
 

Robert

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Total Axis Victory Timeline Continued

1941 - President Long negotiates end of Canadian War. Quebec becomes independent. British agree do to need to confront German threats to Egypt. President Long assassinated. Vice President Henry Wallace sworn in as President.

1942 - Japan uses poison gas in India and China. Germany forces fascist governments in Scandinavia. Tensions between Germany and France. President Wallace begins communist based economic programs at home. U.S. Navy not to be rebuilt.

1943 - Communist revolt in England. Prime Minister Halifax killed in bombing of Parliament. Harry Pollitt becomes Prime Minister. Royal Family liquidated except for Princess Elizabeth who disappears. President Wallace recognizes new government. Canada declares independence, purges communist elements in country. War between England and France begins.
 

Robert

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The premise is that Communism never came to a Russia that was defeated in the First World War. The Communist forces moved else ware, disrupting the Western political and economic systems to the point they couldn't defend themselves. Hitler comes to power a decade earlier, with the Imperial Navy still intact. The U.S. never entered the First World War, and never learned lessons from it, nor retained the leaders from it like MacArthur, Patton, and even Eisenhower.

Militarily tanks are more primitive then in OTL. Panzer IV are the most powerful in the world, and the Germans have built a lot of them. The T-34 ended up in the hands of the Japanese who received the plans from ex-Russians who escaped Eastward during the German invasion.
 
It's not realistically possible, but here's a makeshift scenario. The Japanese do not invade French Indochina in 1940 sparking the American oil embargo. Instead of attacking the United States, Japan invades Siberia and Mongolia to help the Germans advance west of the Urals. Germany captures Moscow in 1941 and the Caucuses in 1942. Stalin is killed during the bombing of Moscow and a dispute for leadership soon takes place after that prompting a civil war within the Soviet Union. The Germans and Italians then launch a campaign to capture the Seuz canal, shortly starving Britain into surrender in 1944 and Japan conquers the rest of China by this time too. Italy captures the British colonies in the Middle East with Iraq, Syria, Palestine, and others under its control. It also invades other nations such as Iran, Arabia, Turkey, and others. Even after the defeat of the Soviet Union and Britain, this is not the end of World War II. This takes until the early 1950s to achieve though.

Germany continues to invade the remaining nations of Europe and fighting a guerrilla war with the Russians in the East. By 1950 Germany gets the atomic bomb and by 1955 gets long range bombers with the ability to reach the United States. A pro-fascist cou takes place in the rump Soviet Union and this new government becomes an ally of the Axis. Using its massive fleet of 700 long range bombers to strike at all the major US cities with atomic weaponry from bases in Siberia and western Europe. The sneak atomic attack manages to destroy a good deal of American cities including Washington D.C. with the US leadership and the President's cabinet wiped out by a weapon they didn't even know existed. America falls into a civil war scenario with weapons and aid being given from the fascist governments. Japan uses this chaos to secure control over all remaining free assets of the British and French Empire in Asia including India, Burma, Malaya, and more. The Germans allow a fleet of atomic bombers to secure the destruction of major Australian cities, now within range, but keep the secret of the bomb to themselves. An Axis invasion soon follows in succession. After this sneak attack, the Second American Civil War results in a new fascist state which uses the Monroe Doctrine to dominate the Western Hemisphere. The new fascist government of the British commonwealth also pledges to be a fascist ally of the three previous regimes by 1960 and the world is dominated by fascist governments and their allies. Any remaining resistance is simply removed by the end of the century through covert action such as cous and assassinations.
 
Germany needed to secure the Mediterranean first. With Britain out of the way Germany might be able to carry out a successful Barbarossa, but Japan is still much more likely to be decimated. The Soviets might have decided, "If we're going down we might as well take one of our enemies with us."
 
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