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tomo pauk

Since we never did any alternate RAF/FAA stuff ;) :

Hurricane and Spitfire with a de-rated, militarized RR 'R' engine in 1939
Whirlwind designed around Merlins
Spitfire III
Twin Spitfire
LR Spitfire early enough & in numbers
Hurricane with Hercules and dive brakes, for RAF, FAA (obviously navalized) and Army
License-built Bf 109 with RR engines
Mustang X with drop tanks
Henley with Hercules, torpedo-capable, both for RAF and FAA
A 1-engined 'wooden' fighter made by De Havilland
Tempest with 2-stage Griffon and 200 imp gals of internal fuel
MB.5

All with drop tanks when/where historically feasible.
 

FBKampfer

Banned
tomo pauk said:
My area of interest is mostly 1930s-1940s, so here is about Germany of that era:
Fw 190 (originaly with small wing) + DB 601/605 = reliable long-range high-performance fighter

Bf 109 tank-buster

A jet-engined fighter, 1 engine, 2 cannons
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The small wing 190 would have had an ungodly high wingloading later on. Even the prototypes that weren't even tipping 6,000lb loaded weight yet were deemed to handle too poorly.

Yeah, it would be fast as hell. But it would be like the WWII F104 without the BLCS. Wouldn't be able to do much for maneuvering above 20,000 either.


Are you thinking Mk 103 for the 109? It might cause some problems as an MK in such a small airframe. Anything bigger and you're not talking about a 109 any more.


And they sorta did the jet with the He 162 :biggrin:.
 

Questerr

Panzer Zodiark said:
Convair XC-99 (including the Model 37 which could have been the first "jumbo" airliner).
McDonnell XP-67 "Moonbat"
Martin AM Mauler
Curtiss XP-71
B-49
XB-70 Valkyrie
XF-108 Rapier
RAH-66 Comanche
Northrop YF-23 Black Widow II
X-29
Boeing 2707
"F-19A Specter" (just kidding this could never exsist.......ooor can it?)
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I can’t see the B-70 ever being of any real use.
 

tomo pauk

FBKampfer said:
The small wing 190 would have had an ungodly high wingloading later on. Even the prototypes that weren't even tipping 6,000lb loaded weight yet were deemed to handle too poorly.
Yeah, it would be fast as hell. But it would be like the WWII F104 without the BLCS. Wouldn't be able to do much for maneuvering above 20,000 either.

Are you thinking Mk 103 for the 109? It might cause some problems as an MK in such a small airframe. Anything bigger and you're not talking about a 109 any more.
And they sorta did the jet with the He 162 :biggrin:.
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Instalation of a DB 601 shaves hundreds of kg vs. the BMW 801, even vs. the BMW 139, that should keep the wing loading manageable.
The motor-cannon version of the MK 103, the MK 103M (duh) was a proposed armament for the 1945-vintage Bf 109s (as well as for the Ta-152 and Do-335). Obviously, that version need to be produced earlier than 1945, preferably instead of the usual MK 103 to have any effect to the war.
As for the He 162 - yes, they did, and I like the He 162. But there were more conventional types that I like even more, from B&W and Fw.
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

I'll also pitch the SOKO Novi Avion, Canadair CL-84 Dynavert, Fiat G.56, Ambrosini SS.4, Yakovlev Yak-141, McDonnell Douglas A-12 Avenger II, and the Helwan HA-300 with the Brandner E-300 engine.
 
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Dynasoar

Questerr said:
I can’t see the B-70 ever being of any real use
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The demonstrated performance of the North American B-70 fully equaled the Lockheed A-12/SR71. Contrary to the imagination of Robert Strange McNamara, the latter aircraft, while fired upon by Soviet SAMS for a 30+ year period (as many as 4000 missiles expended and a number of MiG 25 interceptors lost to "friendly fire" engagements) never experienced even a near miss.

The B-70 was considered ideally suited as a first stage space launcher for several "spaceplanes", ALBMs, satellite interceptors and other interesting vehicles.

While much larger, B-70 material cost was lower than the Lockheed aircraft (Stainless steel rather than imported titanium). The cost to the USSR to counter the B-70 might well have brought the cold war to an even earlier conclusion.

Dynasoar
 
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Riain

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tomo pauk

For the Japanese. Boy, did they needed it.

Ki 27 with retractable U/C, Zuisei engine and 2 cannons
Ki 61 with Ha 41/109 engine, butterfly flaps, 2 cannons from the get-go. Also for the IJN.
Zero with Kinsei from day one.
A no-nonsense fighter with Ha 104 engine and 4 cannons.
A proper fast bomber - 'genetics' from the Ki-46?
The naval fighter/dive bomber that 'borrowed' wings and the Homare from the Saiun.
 

tomo pauk

EverKing said:
@tomo pauk what can we get for the Italians or French? They are both my weakest knowledge areas for the era so I'm curious what you think they could do.
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For the Frenchies:
VG-33 with the 'better' HS 12Y, say -45 (difference is some 10-15% extra HP vs. the -31)
MB.152 with Merlin III (ie. we're taking a page from German-Italian cooperation) - has two powerful cannons already
MB.700
Caudron 760 - link
Potez 630 series designed around HS 12Y or G&R 14N (ie. something like the SNCASE SE.100, but better looking)
 

georgy176

How about the BAC-311. Had similar performance and carrying capacity as the original Airbus A300 and conceived at the same time.

If it had gone into service and been at least moderately successful, chances are, just like Airbus, follow-on designs for different market segments would come into being.

If any of those reach fruition, then today we would see the UK having a full fledged airline manufacturing sector rather than just a component manufacturer. The ripple effects on the UK economy as a whole would be phenomenal.
 
EverKing

EverKing

@tomo pauk maybe this is a discussion for another thread (feel free to start one if you like, maybe an AHC?), but what would it take to make the French Air Force at least competitive with the LW in 1940? Is there any conceivable way you could see them staving off or at least slowing the invasion? I would think this would require some level of air superiority.

Back to the question at hand: I would like to have seen the Bellanca 19-25 Skyrocket II reach production, although this is mostly because of local interest--it always makes me a little sad when I go the Airport for C.A.P. and see the nearly empty and deteriorating Bellanca building (and now you all you all know where I live). It was very advanced for its day and could have made a pretty big impact on the course of civil aviation in the 80's if it had survived. At the very least, it could have encouraged other manufacturers to go to composites 20 years earlier than they did.
 
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Driftless

Driftless

Donor
EverKing said:
@tomo pauk maybe this is a discussion for another thread (feel free to start one if you like, maybe an AHC?), but what would it take to make the French Air Force at least competitive with the LW in 1940? Is there any conceivable way you could see them staving off or at least slowing the invasion? I would think this would require some level of air superiority.
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Great idea! The French had a number of interesting planes in the pipeline, but doctrine and production problems wrecked any useful plans.
 
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