Tomislavs Linguistic Cluster Maps

[Tomislav Addai]

Here I will post maps of individual language clusters. Anything that can qualify as a language will be given separate colour; anything that qualifies as a dialect/ regional identity will get new borders

 

[Tomislav Addai]

1. Gheg (brown)
   
2. Tosk (pink), including:
   1. Cham (southernmost)
   2. Lab (the river valley)
3. Arvanitika (blue-grey)
4. Arbaresh (green-grey)

 

[Tomislav Addai]

1. West Baltic:
   1. Curonian (beige)
   2. Skalvian (purple)
   3. Prussian (dark blue-grey)) ; vaious tribes
   4. Nadruvian (purple-brown)
2. East Baltic
   1. Selonian (blue-green-grey)
   2. Lettigalian (light blue)
   3. Samogitian (yelliow)
   4. Lithuanian (Brown)
   5. Sudovian (indogo-grey)
   6. Dneprian (purple)
   7. Austrogalindian (green)
   
   Version 2, corrected:

1. West Baltic
   1. Curonian
   2. Prussian
      
      1. Skalvian
      2. Nadruvian
      3. Other Prussian tribes
   3. Yotvingian
2. East Baltic
   1. Lithuanian
      1. Samogitian
   2. Selonian and Semigallian
   3. Lettigallian
3. Dneipr Baltic
   1. Golyad

 

[The Professor]

Isn't Latvian considered an East Baltic language?

 

[Augenis]

View attachment 398784

1. West Baltic:
   1. Curonian (beige)
   2. Skalvian (purple)
   3. Prussian (dark blue-grey)) ; vaious tribes
   4. Nadruvian (purple-brown)
2. East Baltic
   1. Selonian (blue-green-grey)
   2. Lettigalian (light blue)
   3. Samogitian (yelliow)
   4. Lithuanian (Brown)
   5. Sudovian (indogo-grey)
   6. Dneprian (purple)
   7. Austrogalindian (green)

That looks like the Semigallians to me, not Selonians. Selonia was to the southeast of that territory.

 

[ST15RM]

I really like these maps! As a language nerd myself, i am tempted to do some maps myself. Are you ok with me doing that?

 

[Tomislav Addai]

That looks like the Semigallians to me, not Selonians. Selonia was to the southeast of that territory.

Oh yes no I see my mistake. Selonians is that what has has been labelled as Semigallian, while Semigallian territory is what is same volour as Latgallian but south of Daugava . My bad

 

[Tomislav Addai]

Iam

I really like these maps! As a language nerd myself, i am tempted to do some maps myself. Are you ok with me doing that?

reserving Celtic, Germanic and Romance for myself though ! And Hellenic as well

 

[ST15RM]

Iam

reserving Celtic, Germanic and Romance for myself though ! And Hellenic as well

That's fine, In fact Planning to do the Uralic languages.

 

[Miner]

What era/year are these from?

 

[Tomislav Addai]

These maps are not any particular era; it shows the prevailing language of a particular language group on a given territory.

 

[The Professor]

Sorry to harp on this but why haven't you labelled Latvian? Or is this a map reflecting tribes c1200ce?

Because today Latgalian is used to label at least a dialect of Latvian and Selonian and Semigallian are extinct.

 

[Tomislav Addai]

1. Insular Celtic:
   1. Brythonic
      1. West Brythonic
         1. Welsh
         2. Cumbric (orange in the area of Hadrians wall)
      2. Southwest Brythonic
         1. Cornish/ Dumnonian
         2. Breton
   2. Goidelic
      1. Irish
         1. Munster
         2. Connaught
         3. Leinster
         4. Ulster
      2. Manx
      3. Scottish
2. Continental Celtic
   1. Gaulish
      1. Arverne (pinkish in the Massif Central)
      2. Aulerian (yellow-green south of Normandy)
      3. Dordonian (reddish in Aquitaine)
      4. Galatian (pink in central Anatolia)
   2. HispanoCeltic
      1. Asturian (green)
      2. Lusitan (dark greem)

 

[Tomislav Addai]

Sorry to harp on this but why haven't you labelled Latvian? Or is this a map reflecting tribes c1200ce?

Because today Latgalian is used to label at least a dialect of Latvian and Selonian and Semigallian are extinct.

Latvian ethnogenesis appears to have formed due to Livonian Order. Those Balts who dwellt in the lands north of the border with Livonian Order became Latvians, those were not subdued by them became Lithuanians. Have you a Baltic wank, you will not see a "Latvian" nation, I believe...

 

[The Professor]

View attachment 399611

1. Insular Celtic:
   1. Brythonic
      1. West Brythonic
         1. Welsh
         2. Cumbric (orange in the area of Hadrians wall)
      2. Southwest Brythonic
         1. Cornish/ Dumnonian
         2. Breton
   2. Goidelic
      1. Irish
         1. Munster
         2. Connaught
         3. Leinster
         4. Ulster
      2. Manx
      3. Scottish
2. Continental Celtic
   1. Gaulish
      1. Arverne (pinkish in the Massif Central)
      2. Aulerian (yellow-green south of Normandy)
      3. Dordonian (reddish in Aquitaine)
      4. Galatian (pink in central Anatolia)
   2. HispanoCeltic
      1. Asturian (green)
      2. Lusitan (dark greem)

Without West Saxon settlement pushing west Breton is unlikely since there won't be flight to Armorica.

Latvian ethnogenesis appears to have formed due to Livonian Order. Those Balts who dwellt in the lands north of the border with Livonian Order became Latvians, those were not subdued by them became Lithuanians. Have you a Baltic wank, you will not see a "Latvian" nation, I believe...

In which case Lithuanian won't be a label used of itself, it'll be equivalent to saying East Baltic so you'll need to modify your map labels if that's the POD you're using.

Basically you need to contextualise the maps as to the POD you're using or if set in a particular era. Otherwise your labels come across as rather anachronistic if not flat out wrong!

 

[Tomislav Addai]

Without West Saxon settlement pushing west Breton is unlikely since there won't be flight to Armorica.

In which case Lithuanian won't be a label used of itself, it'll be equivalent to saying East Baltic so you'll need to modify your map labels if that's the POD you're using.

Basically you need to contextualise the maps as to the POD you're using or if set in a particular era. Otherwise your labels come across as rather anachronistic if not flat out wrong!

I believe still some Lithuanians existed in the region of Vilnius and environs... with the crusader expansion, the remaining Baltic tribes assimilated into Lithuanian.

 

[Tomislav Addai]

So here we go for Germanic...I know its not perfect yet.

 

[Turquoise Blue]

@Tomislav Addai: I'm just confused by those maps, are they supposed to be AH or not?

 

[ST15RM]

@Tomislav Addai: I'm just confused by those maps, are they supposed to be AH or not?

They are linguistic-wank maps.

but I will say, what are those languages in central france and Iberia?

 

[Tomislav Addai]

The orange is Visigothic.. I however still need to add more German enclaves, especially Slovakia, Humgary and Trnasylvania.
Ravenna: Ostrgoths, yellow:Lombards, Tunisia and Gibraltar: Vandlas