Here is what the thread has in mind.
Hitler completely discredited Nazism with his wars, crimes, and defeat. If, no matter how impractical they might sound, Hitler had pursued wars and killings in the name of other ideologies with the same level of success as the OTL, would those ideologies have received the same treatment? Of course, not ideologies are equal and Nazism seems is among the most evil in history, but even good ideologies when taken to an extreme can become evil. The thread is basically asking what if Hitler took alternate ideologies to the extremes he took German Nationalism, anti-Communism, and racism? Which again is not to say any of the following OTL ideologies are as bad as Nazism.
All of these scenarios presume WWII is fought with roughly the same sequence of the OTL, beginning with an invasion of Poland in 1939 and ending with Europe divided in half in 1945.
1: Hitler leads Germany to Communism, conquered Europe to the extent he did in the OTL, and invaded the Soviet by claiming they are not true Communists. He kills class enemies across Europe, church goers, foreign government officials, and others at roughly the rate of the OTL Holocaust. Hitler attempts to impose some kind of international Communism on Europe, but is still defeated on schedule by the same coalition.
What impact does this have on Communism?
2: Monarchist Hitler. Hitler restores the Kaiser, rules as regent with absolute power that he (Hitler) intends to pass on to the Emperor after his own death. He attempts to reestablish Monarchs as absolutists across Europe. People who speak out against him are killed across Europe, including almost anyone who still openly believes that governments get their power from the people. It ends with a death total similar to the Holocaust. Hitler is still defeated on schedule.
What impact does this have on Monarchism?
3: Christian Hitler. Hitler implements some kind of pan Christian theocracy for Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. As he overruns Europe, he places a theocratic government in charge of every country. People across the continent are forced to convert to Christianity, including Jews, Muslims, non believers, and various heterodox Christian groups. People who refuse are killed, as are many prominent opponents of Christianity, people who live alternative life styles, and Christians who don’t fall in-line. We get a death toll in the range of the Holocaust by the time Germany is defeated.
What impact does this have on Christianity?
4: Classical Liberal Hitler. Hitler attempts to impose free market capitalism, equal protection under the law, freedom of speech, the dismantling of welfare states, and freedom of religion everywhere he goes. But he believes freedom can only be accomplished with a strongman running the show until people are ready. When people rebel, he kills millions of people for “protesting freedom“, eventually getting a kill count similar to the Holocaust by the time Germany is divided.
How does this effect Liberalism?
5: Social Democrat Hitler. Hitler attempts to spread Social Democracy by force, imposing Democracy, Welfare States, Labor Unions, and Hate Speech laws everywhere he goes. Communists, Fascists, Monarchists, Anarchists, Classical Liberals, and Theocrats are seen as threats to the system, so millions of them are systematically murdered in death camps across Europe.
How does this effect Social Democracy?
What kind of treatment would these ideas get post war? And are there any other ideologies I could mention? I thought about doing something where a radical Centrist Hitler commits genocide, but don’t know how to define it in a matter that differs enough from Social Democracy or Liberalism here.
Hitler completely discredited Nazism with his wars, crimes, and defeat. If, no matter how impractical they might sound, Hitler had pursued wars and killings in the name of other ideologies with the same level of success as the OTL, would those ideologies have received the same treatment? Of course, not ideologies are equal and Nazism seems is among the most evil in history, but even good ideologies when taken to an extreme can become evil. The thread is basically asking what if Hitler took alternate ideologies to the extremes he took German Nationalism, anti-Communism, and racism? Which again is not to say any of the following OTL ideologies are as bad as Nazism.
All of these scenarios presume WWII is fought with roughly the same sequence of the OTL, beginning with an invasion of Poland in 1939 and ending with Europe divided in half in 1945.
1: Hitler leads Germany to Communism, conquered Europe to the extent he did in the OTL, and invaded the Soviet by claiming they are not true Communists. He kills class enemies across Europe, church goers, foreign government officials, and others at roughly the rate of the OTL Holocaust. Hitler attempts to impose some kind of international Communism on Europe, but is still defeated on schedule by the same coalition.
What impact does this have on Communism?
2: Monarchist Hitler. Hitler restores the Kaiser, rules as regent with absolute power that he (Hitler) intends to pass on to the Emperor after his own death. He attempts to reestablish Monarchs as absolutists across Europe. People who speak out against him are killed across Europe, including almost anyone who still openly believes that governments get their power from the people. It ends with a death total similar to the Holocaust. Hitler is still defeated on schedule.
What impact does this have on Monarchism?
3: Christian Hitler. Hitler implements some kind of pan Christian theocracy for Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. As he overruns Europe, he places a theocratic government in charge of every country. People across the continent are forced to convert to Christianity, including Jews, Muslims, non believers, and various heterodox Christian groups. People who refuse are killed, as are many prominent opponents of Christianity, people who live alternative life styles, and Christians who don’t fall in-line. We get a death toll in the range of the Holocaust by the time Germany is defeated.
What impact does this have on Christianity?
4: Classical Liberal Hitler. Hitler attempts to impose free market capitalism, equal protection under the law, freedom of speech, the dismantling of welfare states, and freedom of religion everywhere he goes. But he believes freedom can only be accomplished with a strongman running the show until people are ready. When people rebel, he kills millions of people for “protesting freedom“, eventually getting a kill count similar to the Holocaust by the time Germany is divided.
How does this effect Liberalism?
5: Social Democrat Hitler. Hitler attempts to spread Social Democracy by force, imposing Democracy, Welfare States, Labor Unions, and Hate Speech laws everywhere he goes. Communists, Fascists, Monarchists, Anarchists, Classical Liberals, and Theocrats are seen as threats to the system, so millions of them are systematically murdered in death camps across Europe.
How does this effect Social Democracy?
What kind of treatment would these ideas get post war? And are there any other ideologies I could mention? I thought about doing something where a radical Centrist Hitler commits genocide, but don’t know how to define it in a matter that differs enough from Social Democracy or Liberalism here.
