To the Victor, Go the Spoils (Redux): A Plausible Central Powers Victory

Man all those parties sound like a real People's Front of Judea situation XD
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Tbh the weirder part of it all is that they aren't even splitters, they've just all taken a name, convinced themselves they're the best socialist/radicals, and then progressively become less of either or both.
 
Personally, I like the absence of the frequent cliché that France, after a defeat in the First World War, either immediately falls victim to a Communist revolution or serves as a mirror image of OTL Germany with a rise of some kind of Nazi party with French characteristics.
France is politically unstable, which is more or less normal at this time, the government and the state are unpopular, which is understandable, but the democratic parties have joined together to stabilise the state.
In addition, there is a need for a quick and decisive response to ensure access to necessary resources.
There are long-term risks that France could fall victim to an economic crash in the US, but that is certainly many years away and not guaranteed to happen.
Well, there's still time for a French Hitler to take power, this is only 1919.

But since the author has expressed a desire to keep a multipolar world, it's unlikely that even if France goes authoritarian down the line, it'll ever be a brand that we can recognizably call a version of conventional nazism/fascism
 
Well, there's still time for a French Hitler to take power, this is only 1919.

But since the author has expressed a desire to keep a multipolar world, it's unlikely that even if France goes authoritarian down the line, it'll ever be a brand that we can recognizably call a version of conventional nazism/fascism
A French Fascism/Right-Totalitarianism would look more like Mussolini or Franco than Hitler IMO. Even then, Fascist France is no guarantee, although I think it's more likely than Commie France, since the Third Republic was very left wing for the time.
 
A French Fascism/Right-Totalitarianism would look more like Mussolini or Franco than Hitler IMO. Even then, Fascist France is no guarantee, although I think it's more likely than Commie France, since the Third Republic was very left wing for the time.
I agree. Any fascist France would be like Franco or Mussolini. Nazis in particular are hard to replicate
 
Great update! French politics at that period are enough to make your head spin so kudos to not only keeping it all straight 😆 but writing it in a way that was pretty easy to follow!
 
Though I have to ask, and this might just be a standard I'm not aware of, what's with the differing colorization of Estonia/Courland/Lithuania/Ukraine/Crimea/Georgia vs Belarus/Livonia? I'd assume it's some measure of control, with Poland being example of even less control with its national color and german border, as opposed to vice-versa?
Basically, as you expected, varying degrees of independence. Colour outline and a grey background is a state run by Germany with a semblance of independence. A grey outline with a colour background is an independent state under the direction of Germany (Ukraine should be like this but I forgot). A grey area of another state is just an occupied zone.

Are the -what-I-assume-to-be -rebels in Spanish Africa the Rif?
Correct

And there are two rebellions in French Morocco, one of which is labeled? What is the other one?
Well there is the named revolt, which was essentially a nationalist revolt of tribes in the mountains against French rule, and then there is the actual Moroccan monarchy who were pretty much destroyed militarily but not totally destroyed prior to the war.

Libya, is the orange-brown the remaining Italian control?
That is, as you say, the last holdouts of Italian authority in Libya. Historically Italy failed to really pacify Libya and largely only held the cities on the coast until Mussolini's days. There is also the Republic of Tripolitania which was established during the war as an attempt to reverse Italian colonization, while rejecting the senoissi.
Now for a question, shouldn't Prussia have annexed that area further north of Luxembourg?
That has become Reichsland Luttich - Liege.

I might be forgetting something, but what's that shading in northern Italy and Syria?
I think Syria is the joint british-arab forces ocupation and the northen Italy one is the italian units revolting.
It is indeed the joint Anglo-Arab occupation of Syria, more on that later. Shading in Italy is the ongoing civil disruption in the north, more on that next update.

Speaking of which, next update: Italy.
 
Basically, as you expected, varying degrees of independence. Colour outline and a grey background is a state run by Germany with a semblance of independence. A grey outline with a colour background is an independent state under the direction of Germany (Ukraine should be like this but I forgot). A grey area of another state is just an occupied zone.


Correct


Well there is the named revolt, which was essentially a nationalist revolt of tribes in the mountains against French rule, and then there is the actual Moroccan monarchy who were pretty much destroyed militarily but not totally destroyed prior to the war.


That is, as you say, the last holdouts of Italian authority in Libya. Historically Italy failed to really pacify Libya and largely only held the cities on the coast until Mussolini's days. There is also the Republic of Tripolitania which was established during the war as an attempt to reverse Italian colonization, while rejecting the senoissi.

That has become Reichsland Luttich - Liege.



It is indeed the joint Anglo-Arab occupation of Syria, more on that later. Shading in Italy is the ongoing civil disruption in the north, more on that next update.

Speaking of which, next update: Italy.
On the topic of Italy, is it in a civil war?
And speaking of civil wars, how are the Russian Whites doing?
(Is the Allied intervention in Arkhangelsk shaded in stripes in the colors of occupyibg powers?)
 
On the topic of Italy, is it in a civil war?
You'll find out next update. At the moment I wouldn't characterize it as a civil war. Essentially the north of the country is locked in a political battle with the south due to the rise of workers councils that have essentially taken over administration of northern cities through popular acclamation. Government institutions still exist, but are either ignored or have ceased to operate. Police are largely ignored or have joined the new administration and the army has not quelled the civil disorder partly out of concern about the consequences and partly because most of Italy's soldiers were peasants who sympathize with the peasants in the countryside also in revolt and seizing land from the wealthy estates.

Basically it's sort of like how the south in the US politically seperate prior to the civil war, with elements of the period prior to the Russian Revolution where peasants and workers kinda just took things into their own hands in some areas.

And speaking of civil wars, how are the Russian Whites doing?
That's for a later update, but for the moment best way to imagine the situation is that it's nearly identical to OTL, as there have been no direct effects that would impact the war there yet (as of the end of WW1).
 
Well, there's still time for a French Hitler to take power, this is only 1919.

But since the author has expressed a desire to keep a multipolar world, it's unlikely that even if France goes authoritarian down the line, it'll ever be a brand that we can recognizably call a version of conventional nazism/fascism
A French Fascism/Right-Totalitarianism would look more like Mussolini or Franco than Hitler IMO. Even then, Fascist France is no guarantee, although I think it's more likely than Commie France, since the Third Republic was very left wing for the time.

I'd guess what we know as the "Crisis of 1936" OTL would come earlier and harder than OTL. The various groups listed would likely be more radical and more inclined to disband "The Republic" given the loss.

Randy
 
One possibility to consider is that if things get too unhinged in Italy Pope Benedict might relocate to France (it's not like this has never been done before) This should have an impact on French politics.
 
One possibility to consider is that if things get too unhinged in Italy Pope Benedict might relocate to France (it's not like this has never been done before) This should have an impact on French politics.
For a second there I thought you were referring to Benedict XVI, but looking at the list, it is indeed Benedict XV.
 
Theres also Germany (they considered it 1870) and Spain. I think theyd want to stay in Europe so Latin America is out.
Ireland once it gains independence? Might seems a bit out there at first glance, but in a situation where the Papacy does find it prudent to move, the idea of relocating to an island might seem sensible.
 
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