He is still alive, but, alas, in jail.That being said Józef Piłsudski wanted to start a uprising/war with only Japanese help in 1905 he's down but not out and likely to try and cause problems for the Central powers, assuming he is still alive.
Sorry good point, be interesting to see what happens to them here in this timeline.He is still alive, but, alas, in jail.
Honestly quite a few pretty major historical figures in jail atm, Karl Liebknecht, Rosa Luxembourg, Aleksandar Stamboliyski, Costantino Lazzari...
Nothin to apologize for lol.Sorry good point, be interesting to see what happens to them here in this timeline.
Fair enough I myself used Józef Piłsudski more as a example of a die hard polish nationalist who very much won't accept anything less than a free Poland, if he dies in jail well he's far from the only one.Nothin to apologize for lol.
Honestly I'm not a grat subscriber to great man theory, so in a lot of cases where someone may have been legendary historically if the circumstances for their legend are removed ittl they probably just wont ever hit the history books in the way we'd expect. But, there are a good few of them who I've thought about involving in various parts, Pilsudski and the other three included for example. At some point in the future as well I'll probably do a little "where are they now" update or summin for historically intersting people who are up to different things ittl.
I'll clarify for the sake of a disclaimer, I do think that often in history some people are well equipped and placed to do well or achieve great things. But yeah - Reagan isnt gunna be President in this timeline lol.Thank you so much! As some very tired of the "Reagan is still the president in spite of 50 years of butterfly effects, because he's just that great" trope, I just have to thank you.
Good night to the IRA then. I'll be interested to see what kind of deal Bonar Law offers to the Irish - if there even is one on offer that is.give Bonar Law a solid opportunity to re-establish Britain’s place at home and abroad.
Yeah, where as Lloyd-George was crowing about £71 million (I think that was the figure) needed to support the whites being nothing in the scheme of things IOTL, shoveling any more money into that pit isn't a wise use of resources with the German threat at home.the Government had grown increasingly ambivalent about the whole situation.
Anglo-Bolshevik relations ittl are honestly an area I find rather interesting tbh. Been mentally mapping how they would view one another for some time. Rather expect at in the immediate term they are going to remain strained as the Bolsheviks and Germans largely were an extension of one another geopolitically during 1918, but Anglo-Soviet relations could certainly grow more quickly ittl as an option to hold back German eastward expansion.Yeah, where as Lloyd-George was crowing about £71 million (I think that was the figure) needed to support the whites being nothing in the scheme of things IOTL, shoveling any more money into that pit isn't a wise use of resources with the German threat at home.
CheersExcellent update, inter-war politics in Britain is complicated enough in IOTL. I can't imagine the amount of research that must go into making a realistic alternate version.
... and hello Irish War of Independence. ... possibly ITTL even 'worse' than IOTL.Good night to the IRA then. I'll be interested to see what kind of deal Bonar Law offers to the Irish - if there even is one on offer that is.
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Maybe, but from what I understand from the last update, nationalism in Ireland has slightly less momentum than IOTL. The rebellion was basically on its ass anyway by the time the treaty was signed IOTL, and I can see Bonar Law pursuing the war more vigorously. Then, again, with Britain in a more tenuous position/ needing to secure US support and a reduction in the war debt, perhaps compromise is on the table more so than IOTL.... and hello Irish War of Independence. ... possibly ITTL even 'worse' than IOTL.
Now that's a fascinating idea.The Tories also benefited from the unexpected and remarkable rise of Britain’s ‘lost boys’ - roving bands of demobilised soldiers named for their similarity with the characters of 1911 classic ‘Peter Pan’. These troops had escaped confinement upon disembarkation in Britain’s ports and service in the army still with their uniforms and/or arms, and used them to engage in criminal activity and begging on the streets of Britain’s cities.
Maybe, but from what I understand from the last update, nationalism in Ireland has slightly less momentum than IOTL. The rebellion was basically on its ass anyway by the time the treaty was signed IOTL, and I can see Bonar Law pursuing the war more vigorously. Then, again, with Britain in a more tenuous position/ needing to secure US support and a reduction in the war debt, perhaps compromise is on the table more so than IOTL.
... well ... why ? What changes of TTL changes the nationalism of the Irish ?Maybe, but from what I understand from the last update, nationalism in Ireland has slightly less momentum than IOTL.
... you mean with 'war' here the War of Independence ?The rebellion was basically on its ass anyway by the time the treaty was signed IOTL, and I can see Bonar Law pursuing the war more vigorously. ...
I maybe should have bee more accurate...
That or Britain maintains a far harsher line, ...
... for the Irish.... and hello Irish War of Independence. ... possibly ITTL even 'worse' than IOTL. ...
Sinn Fein has done less well at the ballot box/ Irish being more concerned with class struggle than nationalism.... at least that's what I got from the update... well ... why ? What changes of TTL changes the nationalism of the Irish ?
Yesyou mean with 'war' here the War of Independence ?
Well that really depends on how Bonar Law pursues the war, assuming there still is one of course. Less support and a more vigorous British response means it ends sooner perhaps, so swings and roundabouts really - guess we'll just have to see?... for the Irish.
(1) While the lost boys tended to be unofficial criminal mobs, some soldiers and veterans mobilised their own politically oriented groups during late 1918 to early 1919. Groups such as the Labour allied National Association of Discharged Sailors and Soldiers (NADSS)
I am not well-versed on domestic British politics post-World War One at all so I thought that these two examples were a case of author's license by TheReformer. Imagine my surprise when checking them out that there really was a NADSS and that Churchill, in an OTL election, did lose to an Edwin Scrymgeour of the Scottish Prohibition Party.(2) Churchill himself actually lost his seat to Edwin Scrymgeour of the Scottish Prohibition party -
That weird feeling between fondness and “fuck this place” all South Americans have.Hm, i as any good Brazilian would, everytime this godforsaken continent is mentioned, I have to say that from there. Hope you are having a good time in here!