To Hell In A Handbasket...A World Tearing Itself Apart in the 21st Century

TheKinkster

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OOT: It has too often been forgotten, throughout history, that religious zealotry and insanity can come in all shapes and colors. As you read this thread, if you become angered by something, remember...the events could have been twisted and changed a bit to change the religions and places involved. Insanity in our world, unfortunately, comes in all shapes, sizes, and varieties. Back to your regularly scheduled programming...


After the events of 9/11/01, the world was a very different place. The actions of the United States of America, from September 11th until the day of disaster, were not put forth as a war against Islam itself.

Unfortunately, there were some in the world who did not agree with this hypothesis. Extreme right-wing elements in Israel viewed the events of 9/11 as the beginning of what Islamic radicals would call the final Jihad against the West. They were at first disenchanted, and then alarmed, by the attitude of the United States, and the Israeli government. They, realistically or not, did not believe that the United States would realize in time the extent of what they viewed as the existential threat posed not by Islamic terrorists, but by Islam itself. They decided that they had to take action on their own.

We will never know where they got the materials from. What we do know is that this element in Israel counted among their number the chief of the Israeli Mossad. A crazed, insane plan was created...and carried out by agents who had long ago pledged to spend their lives in deep cover in Saudi Arabia.

On the morning of September 11th, 2002, at 9am Jerusalem time, the cities of Mecca and Medina were each destroyed by one-megaton nuclear explosions.
 
OMG! Israel just destroyed themselves! And what's worse, no one -- not even the Americans -- will come to their aid.
If it can be proved Israel did it.

Given the timing of the strikes it sounds like an American retaliatory strike and that is what many people will believe.

Depending on where the Israelis got the Nuclear material it might be possible to prove without a doubt it was them, unless they used non Israeli (Russian, Chinese, North Korean, American, Pakistani) material
 

TheKinkster

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I'll have a continuance later tonight, but without giving anything away that you shouldn't be able to tell from the initial post...

This was not sanctioned by the entire Israeli government...not that the Muslim world, and much of the rest, will care that much when it comes down to responsibility. Read the first post again.

However, much of the world will believe as they wish to believe...regardless of facts. And those people will be found on all sides of the fence.
 
Kinda ASB, a megaton sized bomb is not at all a small device and either transporting it or putting it together would take massive amounts of effort that would be noticed.

It's also unclear whether Israel ever had the will or allocated funds to build bombs that big. Any nuke is a nasty deterrent, especially when you have them and your enemies don't. A megaton sized bomb would need a big rocket or dedicated bomber to transport in a wartime scenario.

A more probable scenario would be a 40-60kt sized nuke designed to look like an old USSR surplus job OR maybe made up to look like a US or other country nuke. Not something immediately traceable to Israel. No one except complete and totally certifiable lunatics would do this and claim responsibility for the nation, and however badly one thinks of Israel they are not a nation run and staffed by lunatics. No nation would take responsibility for this, either.

I'm not saying that such a scenario of an ultra nationalist Israeli plot couldn't go down which ends in nukes exploding, but it wouldn't be something sanctioned by Mossad itself, more like something where a small conspiracy inside Mossad runs off the rails and decides to 'carry out their mission' early.
 

TheKinkster

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EXACTLY--this is a plot of a small group of insane right-wing Israelis that unfortunately had the power to carry it out. And doubly unfortnately that in this timeline one of those people is the head of the Mossad.

BTW, all the assessments I've seen say that Israel probably does have a number of thermonuclear devices--given that, 1 mt is not unreasonable.
 
Kinda ASB, a megaton sized bomb is not at all a small device and either transporting it or putting it together would take massive amounts of effort that would be noticed.
Megaton Range bomb is big, but a modern one is note quite that big. You can hide one in a moving Van as far as I am aware
 

Vladimir

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OMG! Israel just destroyed themselves! And what's worse, no one -- not even the Americans -- will come to their aid.

Israel didn't destroy itself. All it has to do is use more nukes to stop an Islamic invasion.

Then, the real diplomatic shitstorm begins.
 
Why didn't 9/11 happen against Israeli targets, such as Tel Aviv?

It wouldn't accomplish much, just another attack against Israel like all the others.

Al-Qaeda's goal was to hit the "Great Satan", with Israel being the "Little Satan"; in their minds, the USA abandoning its support of Israel will cause Israel to no longer exist. However, that is a fallacy, as Israel will do just fine without the USA, hence why they have nuclear weapons.
 
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