TLIAD - Shuffling the Treks (or, Shuffling the Decks on the Enterprise)

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Oh, boy, another one?

Just trying to get in the spirit of the latest craze.

And, why Star Trek? Baseball Commissioners were impossible?

Pretty much; plus I figured since TLIADs started with British politicians someone might try to shuffle the Doctors so I’ll do America’s sci-fi counterpart.

Actually I was being sarcastic, but I guess I can see Star…wait? Shuffle the Doctors?

Well, the number is about the same as post WW2 Presidents and other things in the Shuffle the Deck genre, and while I don’t know near enough about Doctor Who to say for sure I suspect there are enough things for the Whovians to keep track of.

Oooookay, but you’re doing Star Trek. Any significance to the plural “decks”?

Glad you asked – it’s not only the series, but the captains and in some cases their popularity.

But, doesn’t The Animated Series pretty much have to follow the original…wait, if you shuffle the captains… okay, I’m confused how that’ll work.

Don’t worry, you’ll see. But, you’ll have to read. Although if anyone wants to add pictures later, they can, but I’m no good at that stuff.

Something tells me you’ll get back to baseball soon, though.

Maybe if I have time, sometime over the next few months. It looks like it’ll be a long, cold winter the way november’s been in the US so far.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1966-1970)

Gene Roddenberry really wanted to do “Wagon Train to the stars.” It was his pride and joy. He’d get to do it someday, but networks kept turning him down. They didn’t like the idea of Majel Barrett as First Officer on starship, for one thing. They also disliked the idea, the sci-fi idea, some said it’d never sell, and NBC said they might put it someplace it’d get buried by competition.

He had another problem, too – the budget. It was feared it would never work. Nobody could figure out a good way to have people transported from the ship to a planet while saving on the budget.

Then, an NBC executive approached Roddenberry about a different idea – have it on a space station.

He listened, albeit grudgingly. “We’ll sell this,” he was promised, nd then once you build your universe, others will follow. Look at some of the comics and how they’ve build an entire univese.”

When the executive pitched the idea back to Roddenberry, he could sense Roddenberry wasn’t very sure, so he added one more thing. “Since it’s on a station, people will accept a female commander, because it’s just like home. To everyone. Majel Barrett can be the captain.”

So it was that Majel Barrett would star as Captain Kathryn Janeway, a “homemaker” who just happens to run a space station as her home. Her children, Jake – who is huge into baseball and in the pilot, which introduces a number of alien species and their traditions, he and his younger sister, Naomi, organize a bunch of trades of favors to acquire a Honus Wagner baseball card for the Pittsburgh-born Janeway. Another favorite episode is the one poking fun at the Area 51 stuff called “Little Green men,” where several Ferengi end up crashing in 1947, including Jake’s best friend. (Naomi’s best friend is a Klingon, for which Roddenberry takes some flak for having black and white kids playing together. He responds by saying, “Come on, kids play together all the time and they don’t care about that stuff – it’s not like we have an interracial kiss,” though privately he wishes they had a way to have that. However, a female Starfleet Captain, even one running a space station, is progressive enough, as later episodes have her commanding successfully in dangerous situations.

The dangers of space are still evident – Janeway’s husband is said to have died in space, and a very poignant episode about it is aired some months after the 1967 Apollo disaster to mirror it and to honor the astronauts involved. The show also honors Apollo 13 once it touches down on the moon in what will be the last of 4 seasons.

There is plenty of drama, too, as Janeway works to try to keep peace, especially with alien races known as Klingons and Vulcans on the station, and with problems down on Bajor and its continuing Cold War with the Romulans on the other side of the wormhole, which is said by many to represent the Cold War between the U.S. and Soviets. Bajor is even said by some to symbolize Western Europe with the Federation helping to protect them. The Klingons could, some say, even represent Japan or West Germany, a former enemy now working with them – indeed, the Klingon sense of honor over everything is said by some to be similar to the Japanese.

It did only okay its first season, then improved the next few, but ironically, the moon landings really started people thinking, “We’re tired of this we want actual action in space.” While there had been some space battles, there were too few for some people. However, Deep Space Nine became popular enough and established the universe almost 500 years in the future (a date from the first episode with the Wagner card, though that was retconned to mean “almost 500 years since Wagner played” later when the late 24th century is given as the time frame) that DS9 is often called by many Trekkies “The Original Series.”

 

[Thande]

Clever idea if a bit far-fetched (but then these deck-shufflings often are). I actually think Voyager would have been easier to pull off as the first series, albeit without a female captain, just because of the similarity to Lost in Space.

The main thing is that I don't think there would be a Main title: Subtitle format for the first series, it would probably just be called Deep Space Nine and then subsequent shows would get the subtitle after that. (Of course those would have nothing to do with DS9, but then--as was pointed out at the time--in OTL Deep Space Nine didn't have much to do with a 'Star Trek' as it was stationary, either).

Also, shuffling the Doctors, hmmm...

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Clever idea if a bit far-fetched (but then these deck-shufflings often are). I actually think Voyager would have been easier to pull off as the first series, albeit without a female captain, just because of the similarity to Lost in Space.

You must be part Betazoid.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: Voyager – 1970-1977

William Shatner had hoped to audition for Roddenberry’s show, but instead starred in a short-lived police drama. By the 1970s, he was open, and Roddenberry, asked to produce a spinoff of Deep Space Nine that took place in space, set about to produce “Star Trek: Voyager.”

Set around the same time, Shatner’s character, James T. Kirk, leads a ship full of explorers back home after a wormhole sends them 70,000 light years away. Leonard Nimoy, the Vulcan science officer, DeForest Kelly (Leonard McCoy, the ship’s surgeon), and James Doohan (Montgomery Scott, the chief engineer), all would reprise their roles in future Trek series even though they had to do time travel to do so; it’s made possible because Voyager, after 5 seasons of travelling through space, makes it back home. The 6th season sees revived ratings as Kirk and company must deal with Federation matters from the original series (and there are cameos from Janeway’s base crew), but the 7th season is largely a bust, although even the 6th they started to run short of ideas, using ideas like “Spock’s Brain,” which is admittedly done as a parody, where Spock’s brain is transferred into a computer and McCoy has to “put it back.” “It wasn’t very popular as it was,” one writer said, “but I can’t imagine how lame it would have seemed if we *hadn’t* come out before the episode and said, “This one’s a parody, pure and simple.” As it was, it still inspired a well known phrase today – anytime a show seems to go past its prime it is said to “steal the brain.”

A much better comedy came out of “The Trouble With Tribbles,” an episode about Voyager bringing a group of these furry, rapidly multiplying creatures back from the Delta Quadrant, where they had caused trouble in a previous episode back when they were stranded there. (It is one of the crossover episodes with Deep Space Nine, where a number of the original cast members reprised their roles with no explanation for why they looked older They did, however, replace the actors for Jake and Naomi with child actresses who looked like they had years before.)

Leonard Nimoy, having failed to find much success until this show, glad accepts that this is the best role for him and in fact pens a biography, “I am Spock” after the 7-year run is, on the whole, very successful. The only complaint is that some say it should have ended after season 6, but “It wouldn’t be the first show to go a year too long,” as some say.

One problem the show faced was a declining budget at times, but this caused them to improvise in a number of ways, For instance, James Doohan’s character became known as the “miracle worker engineer” for his work on many things, including developing transporters to allow them to get around, though the ship did have to land itself at times. The idea caught on so well that by Season 6, once they had returned home, it was decided that the existence of transporters would be canon for the whole Trek universe.

“That was actually by accident, though,” one writer said. “In some ways, we wondered why they wouldn’t have come up with the things, since they’d been able to 70,000 light years from home. If we’d thought about it, we might have come up with a reason, but instead, we decided to just argue that Janeway, being a mothering type, never felt safe with them so never allowed her crew to use them. In fact, a later fan novel had a clever explanation of her husband’s death in a transporter accident.”

Voyager also featured the interracial kiss Roddenberry had hoped for, and in fact Nichelle Nichols got more and more command experience as the series went on, though partly because “few others were available” at that time, with only 430 in the crew. it also featured somewhat corny episodes at times, with the explanation that certain concepts had gotten tot he Delta Quadrant throught he wormhole but noone knew from where, such as the planet modeled after early 20tgh century Chicago gangsters because sometime in the past a copy of a book about them had dravelled through, thus bringing the idea of time travel yet again to the series.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: The First Five Motion Pictures

The time had come for Star Trek to begin making movies, since the genre was so popular. In 1980, they had a famous bad one called "Broken Mirror." A Mirror Universe idea had had Voyager in the Delta Quadrant to conquer. Well, inthe first one, that Voyager, known as V'Ger, comes into the Alpha Quadrant, totally computer controlled, threatening to destroy earth. Obviously it doesn't, and many say the movie had potential but failed.

Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan is one of the best,a nd features an enemy from the Delta Quadrant who returns and tries with his genetically enhanced folowers to take over theGenesis Project. Star Trek III has Voyager returning to search for Spck, and Star Trek IV is a fun one where Voyager returns to earth to get 2 killer whales to repopulate the species and a whale ship comes calling on earth.

Star Trek V: Deja Vu is considered one of the worst movies ever, and caused William Shatner to say he was quitting after Roddenberry had forced it upon them. it was an idea Roddenberry had had since Star Trek2, namely Voyager going back in time to the JFK assassination, and Spock as the gunman in the grassy knoll. While there is some hint that JFK willingly went to his death to avoid a nuclear war, it was bad enough that the next movie: "Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country" would have a totally new ship, crew, and time frame.

I was really torn, do I give Kirk the Enterprise but in a totally different situation and have several equivalents of that ship called Voyager in subsequent series, or giving Kirk Voyager and having the whole famous crew associated with that name – the Kirk saying “These are the voyages of the starship Voyager…” Either would have been an interesting and dramatic shuffle. This has him and the crew, back in the Alpha Quadrant, in several movies as the Voyager crew.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: Enterprise – 1982-1985 and Star Trek: The Animated Series – 1985-1991

There’s a saying in entertainment – “Always leave them wanting more.” After a few years with only a subpar movie with the Star Trek franchise, a 3-year series really whetted the appetite. Many say that this series – “Star Trek: Enterprise” – was the best of all the Trek series, though Voyager is considered a close second, and its height might be better than Enterprise.”

Copying after the success of Voyager, the show was named after the lead ship, the USS Enterprise. Unlike Voyager, they chose to tell the tale of the start of Federation space exploration. They tell the story of several races, including relationships with Vulcans – Capt. Benjamin Sisko has a male Vulcan first officer – and other races.

Denzell Washington was hired by Roddenberry in 1982 with the offer to become Captain Sisko of the flagship Enterprise as it . He was instantly a big hit, with the show appearing to revive the franchise even more than Star Trek, “The Wrath of Khan” did. (Khan had been an enemy on Voyager who followed Kirk and company back to the Alpha Quadrant.)

Between the fabulous first season episode “Yesterday’s Enterprise,” where the Federation truce with the Klingons is almost broken, leading to war, and Washington and company end up in an alternate universe and have to get back to repair things, to a big 2-part cliffhanger covering seasons 2 and the start of season 3, “Best of Both Worlds,” and many others, Washington becomes known as an incredible actor who can perform in a wide variety of roles. “he could probably do Shakespeare in the theater he’s so versatile,’ one person says.

“Third time is the charm,” another person said. “Gene Roddenberry originally wanted a trek – well, Deep Space Nine was not a trek, they stayed right there, and Kirk’s Voyager really was about Voyager, not as much about the entire Federation, except for the last couple seasons after they finally made it home and decided to have a go at actual Federation stuff. This series really is the one that deserves to be called ‘Star Trek.’” And, to Trekkies it is.

“Enterprise” featured quite a bit of good special effects, and in the finale of Season 3, so they could wrap things up, Captain Sisko used a geometric pattern designed to destroy the Borg by rendering them too confused to fight to defeat the Borg once and for all; an idea helped by Captain Kirk, who made a cameo in the last season of enterprise as an admiral; Kirk while in the Delta Quadrant had defeated computers a few times with trickery.

However, though many Trekkies yearn for a revival of this series to this day, 2 reasons prevent it and are why the show was ended after only 3 seasons. Well, somewhat ended.

First, of course, some say that after so much done in the late 24th century, they’d run out of ideas, though that’s more because of the long-running Animated Series which followed.

More importantly, Denzell Washington was too good. “We should have hired an actor already well-known in another area who wouldn’t have been drawn away,” Roddenberry quipped.

Washington left the series after 3 seasons, and they decided to call it a series. He graciously did voice overs for 2 more years of an animated series, while also appearing as a semi-regular on the TV series St. Elsewhere, but even those took a backstage eventually to his movie acting career full-time (except for the last season of St. elsewhere).

It was, of course, popular enough that “The Simpsons” became very popular as an animated series, which many say helped TAS stay ona few more years, but others argue that “Star Trek: The Animated Series actually led to the idea of “The Simpsons” being plausibly successful as an animated series. Bart’s love of Star Trek, even as he and the others parody it, at times demonstrates that the latter may be believed by some, at least to some extent.

It’s likely a little of each.

Once Enterprise ended, and TAS took off after a year, the animation allowed them to do a lot of different things, and theyw ere not only quite entertaining but quite intellectual. Sure, there were the enormous tribbles which ended up on Enterprise, but there was also a comedic and sometimes patronizing powerful being known as Q who, introduces himself to Sisko by saying, “I would have appeared at your first warp signature 300 years ago, but I was too busy watching your World Series; too bad about the Yankees since, but hey, at least the Cubs know how it feels, right?”

Another time, Sisko is beleaguered by mumerous issues, and Q tells him, “Hey, five centuries ago your ancestors were kept as slaves.” It’s actually part of a quite intelligent dialogue between Sisko and some of his other officers about how humans have changed over the years and hope to continue to do so.

However, it quickly devolved into a comedic series of adventures at tiems. Sure, with animation they could afford to return to the Delta Quadrant and conclude any loose ends Kirk and the others hadn’t tied up, but Washington’s departure meant they sometimes had guest captains, sometimes other people doing Sisko’s voice. They tended to remain in exploration business, but going a billion light years away once was, as some said, “just too much.” “There is much debate as to when they stole the brain, but most say it was pretty early – probably when Washington left doing the voiceover,” one critic said.

 

[Lavanya Six]

Ninja'd! Blast! I'd actually been prepping a TLIAD for Star Trek, although with the actors rather than the actual shows.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Ninja'd! Blast! I'd actually been prepping a TLIAD for Star Trek, although with the actors rather than the actual shows.

Great minds think alike, they say. And, it is somewhat different, as you say, with the actors and not the shows themselves.

Yours looks really neat - I'll have to read it more closely, tomorrow if I don't have time tonight.

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: The First Generation – 1991-1992 - and Trek Movies

“Not every show is a success, in the theater or otherwise.”

Those words of Patrick Stewart sum up “Star Trek: The First Generation. Stewart starred in an attempt to tell thes tory of the birt of the Federation, but “it just didn’t work,” according to many.

The problem was that all the tings that were supposed to take a while came too quickly. His character, Johnatahn archer, used the transporter to escape a problem in the very first episode, and many other things came within the first few. His love itnerest, theship’s doctor, had a son who saved the ship a couple times, too. “Once was cute and okay if you don’t go overboard, twice is a Mary Sue,” one critic wrote. And, the concepts were dull.

“When we had Q enter in and tried to argue he’d been there all along, and then he offered to joint he crew, it was too much. Picard – since that was becominga n issue at the time – rebuffs him with the lame excuse that ?Q would want naming rights for the Federation. Well, knowing Q that might have been true, but even so, why would that be rebuffed? It made no sense.”

Neither did the half-Betazoid who was supposed to be there as ship’s counselor. “She has trouble counseling anyone,’ one critic said, “and all she seems to do is say “the pain,” or state the obvious, like when an enemy pounded the table she said, “You’re angry.”

After a merciful 2 seasons, the show was cancelled, but Scott Bakula was hired as a captain to do Star Trek VI before Stewart was lined up for his Captain’s role, and so Bakula’s Jean-Luc Picard ended up being the one, with his ship’s doctor, helping to solve a mystery and usher in peace between the Federation and Klingons.


[FONT=&quot]It was never said *when* this peace began, therefore, Star Trek writers could take their time working with various things. They let the movies drive the series for a while, but eventually, Bakula was asked if he would accept a TV role. He accepted.[/FONT]

 

[Nivek]

Ninja'd! Blast! I'd actually been prepping a TLIAD for Star Trek, although with the actors rather than the actual shows.

Do it would be pretty interesting too, a sister thread to this,xd

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Star Trek: 2001-2007

Scott Bakula starred as Captain Jean-Luc Picard in the longest-running Star Trek since voyager. The title was simply “Star Trek,” and while it was said to be a “five year mission,” it wound up being two more as, in the words of one4 Trekkie, “A lot of stuff in the middle was explained.”

“They did a great job,” one writer said, “considering that they had the mid-2100s and the birth fo the Federation on one side, and the late 2300s and the first few series on the other. One could understand how, stranded so far away, Voyager wouldn’t have areally advanced computers, for one thing, and the space station maybe didn’t have much support at Deep Space Nine, but they could finally use the most advanced stuff on their away missions. And, Picard’s siplmacy, while he won his share of battles, helped prevent a lot more from happening as the Federation was shown to be really mighty in the galaxy in many areas.”

Even the fact it was set before “The Undiscovered Country” wasn’t a big problem. “You knew the end result, but really, you were going to know it anyway since Picard always wound up getting his way. And, the other movies were either time travel to the First Contact or just general adventures, so it wasn’t a problem. Much of the time, they just sought out new life and new civilizations, anyway.”

The finale of the show simply dubbed “Star Trek” featured them going back in time to what “The First Generation” never showed; the birth of the Federation. “Stars from previous series” were promised to make an appearance, and several did. Maybe not the captains, who were too old, but the joys of time travel allowed Johnathan Frakes (who had played the First Officer on The First Generation”) appeared from decades in the future with his wife, Deanna Troi, an elderly William Shatner made an appearance as Captain Kirk from Voyager, a couple of the 24th century Enterprise crew did, and so did one crew member and the children of Captain Janeway of Deep Space Nine.

“it was seen as a great celebration of all things Trek,” one fan magazine wrote. “It was a great send-off, with rumors of a new movie making some wonder what the future held, but with everyone secure that the Trek franchise was alive and well.”

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

One more idea I had plus a retcon

First, i retconned Voyager's dates to give it 7 seasons and make it a bit earlier as I'd implied it would be.

Given requests by others, as well as myself, early on in Brainbin's "The Wacky Redhead," and the fact "Star Trek debuted the same year as another show, a family show, in this ATl I had one more idea that I hope will cheer fans and provide the actress witha happier ending, rather than jsut the character as I mentioned in my "The Person inside." So, without further ado, this is the thread's real finale...

How Star Trek Saved My Life, Chapter 1 of an autobiography by Anissa Jones.

"...I was hoped for, ironically, by 2 shows in 1966 - "FamilyA ffair" and "Deep Space nine." "Star Trek" was only added retrospectively,(1) of course. But, I still say that's what saved my life.

I had a very controlling mother. She wanted to sell me...as a product, this cute girl who played with dolls and everything. Well, she was kind of torn. Family Affair would put me with some other kids, but there was something about science fiction...and they had kids, too; the teen who played Jake Janeway, some of my friends, they were going to make it a family-type as well as a sci-fi show....

We read the first script, and i was a bit older than a few of the others. Some of the alien names...weren't as tricky for me, so even though I was 6, maybe 7 as a character, they gave me the part....Not 24 hours after we signed the contract, "Family Affair" made a counter offer, but we'd signed a deal. Well, my mom did....The role of Buffy on Family Affair went to a 6-year-old instead, and it was a good thing.

"it seems Family Affair ran 5 seasons, and with a girl 2 years younger, they kept selling her as a little girl, and Mom lamented that I couldn't be seen that way...she would try after DS9 to get me cast that way, but I could always play sick or act like i had stage fright so i didn't have to play a little girl when I was blossoming into a woman...

"But back to Star Trek, that first season went well as Naomi Janeway, I was this cute girl who tagged along with jake and who got ina little mischief but who had the love of not only my mother, the captain, but also the robot SAM, which stood for Sympathetic Automaton Module. We had some great fun, such as a few little "Cat int he hat" thigns: "I would not eat them on a hill, i would not eat them with a Trill...' that sort of thing. Or walking into teh bar and grill they had on the station and my shocked comment at being handed an alien drink: "it's GREEN!"(2)...

"...so eventually Mom kept pushing them to use me more and more that way, but the show was hitting its last season and the transition to Voyager just as the moon trips started to be made...I never was harmed; that was Jake's job to protect me, but they wanted to have some situations where I was in a little danger, anyway...I never 'saved the ship' or anything but Jake tok a few alien probes for me once...had some strange creature come out of his ear that would have gone into mine...

"...But the key was that my mom never managed to force them to make me look like I'd stopped aging, though she did suggest a few times that I could be an alien species that didn't develop like a normal human, thus allowing me to stay a little girl longer and let myself get marketed that way...

"...This came to a head, though, when Voyager returned after their 5th season, at the start of the 6th, kind of the first cliffhanger, though not quite as much of one....My mom nearly made them stop production....

"...I'd been okay the first episode of Voyager when they went out from the station. I jsut had a small cameo, and while I was really annoyed Mom convinced them have me hold a doll, it was one time. But, i swore I wouldn't let it happen again, as I said...

"...When they came back for the 1975 season i was 17 and Mom was still pushing for me to be that little girl. She was so insistent and pushy, William Shatner and theVoyager crew basically walked off the stage three weeks before we were supposed to begin production. they'd been clued in...and I was starting to have some emotional problems because of her overbearingness, but in a style true to an actual Trek episode, they tried their own version of grandstanding, the way Kirk always did int hsoe scripts... and, it worked. The fight went public, and for several days, it was the talk of Holly wood, the overbearing mother who wouldn't let me grow up....Restraining orders were sought both ways, numerous politicans got intot he act, Betty Ford made a passionate speech about the dangers of overbearign parents and how that can lead to alcoholism, all kinds of things happened...

"...Finally, threatened with a major lawsuit for interfering with the TV show's contract, my mom backed down, and i appeared as someone my own age, just as I'd wanted to all along. I was tired of playing a little kid...It still drove me away from acting, except for Star Trek - oh, I always enjoyed that, and played bit parts in each of the other series, too: A mother and crewmember in the ill-fated First Generation" when they tried to have families on the ship, as a show of good will to other races as we began exploring, doing a voiceover int he Animated Series, one bit as a crewwoman on Enterprise and the last Star Trek series, and of coruse that bit at the end in the finale where I actually played my character's own mother sicne a little girl played me in a time travel thing....Not that I looked a lot like Majel Barrett, though with enough make-up I looked okay, and beside, it's Star Trek, they could do all kinds of weird things to explain stuff...."

The other girl was frustrated, as noted, but she was only 11 when the show was cancelled, whereas I was 13 when FamiyA ffair was cancelled. it would have been a big difference, and if I'd been on there...I hate to think how far down I'd have gone...But, being on Star Trek was really helpful to me, and I'm proud to say I'm a Trekkie for life. It's pretty much all i ever acted in. or all I'd care to."

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(1) Thanks to Thande for the heads up - it does make sense, in a way, Roddenberry wanted a Star Trek show, that could come witht he 2nd show and it would be appended tot he original in the same way "The Original Series" is OTL.

(2) OTL Scotty says this of course, while the shuffling of series causes SAM to be a more mothering equivalent of Seven on OTL's Voyager.

 

[Nivek]

That was an awesome moment of heartwarming, reading what happened the girl otl, and how ironically some minor typecast save her and give her a new life and a carreer....

If we've a reboot movie about deep space nine, maybe she as old Marjoreen Cameo?

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

That was an awesome moment of heartwarming, reading what happened the girl otl, and how ironically some minor typecast save her and give her a new life and a carreer....

If we've a reboot movie about deep space nine, maybe she as old Marjoreen Cameo?

Thanks - it would have been 24 hours, too, if the Packers hadn't been playing after church, as it was I went to a friend's house & got back after the late service to post it instead of at 1.

Yes, i think she would appear in the reboot, too, that way. And, is a fixture at Star Trek conventions.

I don't know if anyone noticed, eitehr, but that creature coming out Jake's ear is another little shuffle - Chekov has it happen OTL. Likely an episode similar to OTL's DS9 about sacrifice (ISTR a Cardassian asks Sisko why someone woudl give their life for someone else, and Sisko says "If you have to ask, you'll never understand. TTL, with Roddenberry's more optimistic outlook, it helps the Romulan enemy understand self-sacrifice and it ends up btriggering a positive change in the Romulan culture as the idea of putting others first on a consistent basis spreads back to them; the conversation probably happening as Jake wakes up and the first thing he asks is whether Naomi's okay.

It'd be interesting to see who the reboot is about, too - probably this one, but maybe a combination of DS9 and Voyager. Voyager probably brings on a number of alien crewmen from the Delta Quadrant who end up as ambassadors in their travels. Meaning to incorporate them, Enterprise, under Denzell Washington's Captain Sisko, probably ends up takign place after those series.

Funnily, the presence of Jake and Naomi on DS9 might impact another sci-fi show, too - Battlestar Galactica. The original of that might handle Boxey differently; although they could also argue, "That was a space station, this is a ship."

 

[Nivek]

Yeah Nice for her, at least even with the rough, won a new life, sometimes a thing in business, how a show can save a life,

About how would be, in general i think the Star Trek Storyline is like DS9/Voyager happened at the time(with DS9 happened early) them Enterprise in a few years ahead, with First Generation and Star Trek being the prequels for the franchises.

A reboot should be like DS9 meets voyager and like otl, Marjoreen and other origin story?(maybe Kirk was a Midshipmen for Marjoreen Husband or both have a rocky relationship a crisis make them work?), i imagine marjoreen like a married ninotchka and having both that action and romance feeling would make good for expande demography(even if pureblood treikes would be mixed)

 

[DTF955Baseballfan]

Yeah Nice for her, at least even with the rough, won a new life, sometimes a thing in business, how a show can save a life,

About how would be, in general i think the Star Trek Storyline is like DS9/Voyager happened at the time(with DS9 happened early) them Enterprise in a few years ahead, with First Generation and Star Trek being the prequels for the franchises.

A reboot should be like DS9 meets voyager and like otl, Marjoreen and other origin story?(maybe Kirk was a Midshipmen for Marjoreen Husband or both have a rocky relationship a crisis make them work?), i imagine marjoreen like a married ninotchka and having both that action and romance feeling would make good for expande demography(even if pureblood treikes would be mixed)

Your ideas make a lot of sense. Yes, one could perhaps also argue that Voyager wasn't gone for 5 whole years but only 3-4, depending on how they wanted to work witht he timeline.

The romance angle could be argued, too, to be a lot due to fanfiction and not just expanding the demographic. In this one, First Generation doesn't last long so it's much easier for fans to imagine Picard and Crusher marrying, Riker and Troi are said to marry at the end, by the time of the Federation's founding.

I love the idea especially of Kirk being a Midshipman for her husband because that would give a good backstory to his character and have him serving under someone before, just like he served under the ones OTL that he did.

Soemthign akin to OTL's aired pilot, "Where No Man Has gone Before, incidentally, probably already exists TTL, too - it's not much of a stretch to have that episode take place just after they end up in the Delta Quadrant, instead of on the border of the galaxy like OTL.

 

[Nivek]

Thanks for liking mi ideas, so far someone can be found if going that ahead.

Yeah, i'm still based otl five year mission(who even for me was much but still a good refrence) but both happen at time, allow cameos and deveopment.

Possible and fans will not be that vocal(some might argue but still positive reaction) that can work

That is an issue but again as old and trying to count a new story from zero, depend how butterflies flap