TLIACOH: Shuffling the Deck USA Edition (with apologies to Meadow and Roem)

[jpj1421]

Really enjoyed the TL, it really threw all of my expectations out the window. It goes to figure that a TL where I'd mostly like Reagan is a TL I would absolutely hate to live in.

 

[Japhy]

I liked the project Thande, top class. Lyndon '44 and the return of Dubya were the two best shifts IMO.

Its also fun to see that Clinton and Obama are destined to duel for their party in any timeline.

 

[Whanztastic]

I enjoyed this as well and it gave me an idea for an another TLIA something or another.

Did anybody pay close enough attention to compile a list of Vice Presidents and loosing tickets?

 

[Deleted member 67076]

Awesome timeline Thande! Definitely did not expect how Dubya turned out.

TLIACOH's, though TLIADs are already a thing (this is a shorter version of one). Short but long-form TLs are a nice idea. It's a logical extension of the TLIAD concept.

Leader shuffles are fun, but it would get a bit boring to see a load of American ones. I imagine a country with lots more post-war PMs, like Denmark or Italy, would be more fun to do.

This gives me an idea to do one with Venezuela or Dominican Republic.

 

[Thande]

I just read through it, and I have to say, this is great!

Thanks and thanks for making the list.

Tony Parsons as in the journalist and author of those books I vaguely recall Mum liking when I was very little?

No - here's a hint: if Clinton is known as Blythe in TTL, is there a British analogue to his situation, surname-wise?

That was an excellent timeline.

Really enjoyed the TL, it really threw all of my expectations out the window. It goes to figure that a TL where I'd mostly like Reagan is a TL I would absolutely hate to live in.

I liked the project Thande, top class. Lyndon '44 and the return of Dubya were the two best shifts IMO.

Its also fun to see that Clinton and Obama are destined to duel for their party in any timeline.

Thanks everyone. The idea of LBJ becoming president in 1946 was what inspired this and that's the one I put the most thought into, which kind of shows I suppose. I think it was ultimately derived from Meadow and Roem's clever use of Douglas-Home as a young and vigorous PM in the 40s in their TLIAD. Although the strict American analogue to that would be more like an early Ford presidency I suppose.

I enjoyed this as well and it gave me an idea for an another TLIA something or another.

Did anybody pay close enough attention to compile a list of Vice Presidents and loosing tickets?

I didn't pay enough attention to work that out, so I'll be impressed if somebody else can (That's the other advantage of this format, you can leave background stuff reasonably vague).

Awesome timeline Thande! Definitely did not expect how Dubya turned out.


This gives me an idea to do one with Venezuela or Dominican Republic.

I wish you luck with that, though the trouble with doing it for those countries is that there are probably fewer people familiar with the OTL order and archetypes of the leaders in order to appreciate what you're doing. (I suppose Chavez in the early 90s is a semi-obvious one for Venezuela, though...)

 

[King of the Uzbeks]

Blair? Tony Blair as the tennis partner?

 

[Thande]

Blair? Tony Blair as the tennis partner?

Correct!

...

 

[Techdread]

Did anybody pay close enough attention to compile a list of Vice Presidents and loosing tickets?

I didn't pay enough attention to work that out, so I'll be impressed if somebody else can (That's the other advantage of this format, you can leave background stuff reasonably vague).

Here's what I was able to gather from the TL; I'm not sure whether I missed anything, but I've left the blanks where there wasn't any information although, with Thande's approval & permission, I'd be happy to try and fill in the gaps.

1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt/John N. Garner (Democratic)
1932: Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis (Republican)
1936: Alf Landon/Frank Knox (Republican)
1941-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Henry A. Wallace (Democratic)
1940: Wendell Willkie/Charles L. McNary (Republican)
1945-1946: Franklin D. Roosevelt†/Cordell Hull†¹ (Democratic)
1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker (Republican)
1946-1949: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1949-1953: Dwight Eisenhower/Harold E. Stassen (Republican)
1948: William O. Douglas/Unknown (Democratic)
1953-1961: Harry S. Truman/Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic)
1952: Dwight Eisenhower/Harold E. Stassen (Republican)
1956: Unknown/Unknown (Republican)
1961-1965: Richard M. Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1960: Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr./Unknown (Democratic)
1965-1969: Richard M. Nixon/George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1964: Unknown/Unknown (Democratic)
1969-1973: George H. W. Bush/Unknown (Republican)
1968: Edmund Muskie/Unknown (Democratic)
1973-1975: James E. Carter†¹/John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1972: George H. W. Bush/Unknown (Republican)
1976-1977: John F. Kennedy† (Democratic)
1977-1985: Ron W. Reagan/Gerald Ford (Republican)
1976: Frank Church/Unknown (Democratic)
1980: Unknown/Unknown (Democratic)
1985-1993: Gerald Ford/Richard Cheney (Republican)
1984: Unknown/Unknown (Democratic)
1988: Unknown/Unknown (Democratic)
1993-1997: George W. Bush/Robert Dole (Republican)
1992: Unknown/Unknown (Democratic)
1997-2005: William J. Blythe/Unknown (Democratic)
1996: Robert Dole/Unknown (Republican)
2000: Jack Kemp/Unknown (Republican)
2005-2009: B. Hussein Obama/Unknown (Democratic)
2004: John McCain/Unknown (Republican)
2009-2013: George W. Bush/Jon Huntsman, Jr. (Republican)
2008: B. Hussein Obama/Unknown (Democratic)


Italic - Unelected
† - Died in office
†¹ - Assassinated

 

[Thande]

Here's what I was able to gather from the TL; I'm not sure whether I missed anything, but I've left the blanks where there wasn't any information although, with Thande's approval & permission, I'd be happy to try and fill in the gaps.

Comprehensive! I didn't mention many VPs towards the end, did I... yes, feel free to have a go at filling in the gaps.

 

[Techdread]

Comprehensive! I didn't mention many VPs towards the end, did I... yes, feel free to have a go at filling in the gaps.

Much obliged good sir, I'll get onto that straight away! I'll PM you a first draft for your approval prior to public consumption.

 

[AlfieJ]

Excellent work Thande, Bush saving the day was particularly brilliant.

 

[Bolt451]

Brilliant stuff Thande! An interesting and cleverly put together TL. Some of the takes on presidents were very well done and some of the touches like HS Thompson being a fan of Nixon or JFK being against the moon mission were just fun

 

[Kung Fucious]

Great stuff, really enjoyed this.

Now, perhaps a "Shuffling of the Deck" where all the post-WW2 Presidents have been those who OTL lost the election.

 

[Deleted member 67076]

I wish you luck with that, though the trouble with doing it for those countries is that there are probably fewer people familiar with the OTL order and archetypes of the leaders in order to appreciate what you're doing. (I suppose Chavez in the early 90s is a semi-obvious one for Venezuela, though...)

Thanks.

As for the ignorance, well, wikipedia is our friend, no?

 

[iddt3]

At the same time, Nixon continued to enjoy a reputation for ‘Brutal Honesty’ (to use the title of his somewhat overly adoring biography by H. Stockton Thompson), openly admitting the basis of his policies but simply stating that it was ‘a fitting balance of the scales’ after the suppression of both African-Americans and white Republicans in the South for the past few decades.​

I see what you did there... and I like it .​

 

[OwenM]

It also strikes me that Ford and Lisieux should compare notes sometime across the multiverse....

 

[Thande]

It also strikes me that Ford and Lisieux should compare notes sometime across the multiverse....

Look, OTL did it first with Harold Holt, OK?

Strikes me that Doc What could do a story about all these mysterious disappeared people sharing a crosstime club...

 

[OwenM]

Yeah, but that's a bigger difference........ he dived into the sea and was never seen to surface, Ford and Lisieux gradually retreated from the public eye and eventually people realised nobody had seen them for a ridiculously long time.

 

[LancyIain]

Here's what I was able to gather from the TL; I'm not sure whether I missed anything, but I've left the blanks where there wasn't any information although, with Thande's approval & permission, I'd be happy to try and fill in the gaps.

The Rumsfeld influence is strong here. Just look at all those Unknown Unknowns.

 

[Techdread]

The Rumsfeld influence is strong here. Just look at all those Unknown Unknowns.

The dark clouds of Rumsfeld are lifting though and soon the truth shall be known to all!