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Delvestius

Banned
Howdy! After becoming inspired by TL 191, I decided to create a multiple PoD timeline, although this is a daunting task to start! I completed the map of the world on the verge of the first world war (somewhere between 1890 and 1920) and would like to here feedback on it, especially plausibility. Below the map is the list of the various nations and alliances. Please ask questions and thrououghly explain comments. At this point, this world is brand new, and pretty much anything can be added, removed, changed or otherwise altered. Thanks for your help :)

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Main PoDs:

Mongol culture remains dominant in central Asia.

Novgorod was the only Russian state to have developed.

The Austrian emperors focused more on controlling the German states instead of the Balkans, leading to a powerful "grossdeutsch" state with Vienna as it's capital. The centralized Germany was better able to colonize in this TL.

The United States underwent a civil war when various western territories declared independence and entered the Rocky Mountain Conversation for mutual protection.

The Allies:

The United Kingdom (Dominion States: Canada, Alaska, Midwest Territory, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand; Crown Colonies: Ethiopia, Gold Coast, Transvaal, Bengal, Burma, British East Indes; Protectorates: Nepal, Vietnam, Yucatan, Aden)

Kingdom of Spain (in an alliance with the U.K. ever since the Toledo Massacre of 1809)
Catholic Kingdom of Morocco
Nations of the Imperial Entente (Empire of Bolivia, Empire of Argentina, Empire of La Plata)

The Mediterranean Pact

Consul of France (Colonies: Atlas, Mauritania, Chad, Sudan, Madagascar, Thailand)
Republic of Euskara
Praetorian Republic
Slavic Illryia
New Arcadia
Republic of Mexico
Republic of Panama (French finished construction of the Canal)

The Central Powers

Imperial Federation of All Germany (Colonies: Kameroon, Tanzania, Kalahari, Karnatika, Kambodia, Philippines, Tai Yuan, New Guinea, Aborigia)

Kingdom of Portugal (The oldest active alliance in the world, dating back to the late 17th century: In exchange for protection, Portuguese Africa was given to Germany following the Vienna Convention of 1882)

Kingdom of Denmark
Electorate of Sorbia
Electorate of Mazovia
Kingdom of Hungary
Kingdom of Serbia
Kingdom of Napoli

Empire of Brazil (It was Germany who convinced Portugal to grant Brazilian independence, and ties between all three countries are strong)

The Mongolian Khaganate & Satellite States

Khanate of the Golden Horde (State Religion: Orthodox)
Khanate of Sibir
Khanate of Parsus
Crimean Cossack Hetmantate
Kingdom of Romania
Kingdom of Georgia
Khalistan (Sikhs)
Sindh Sultanate
Baluchi Sultanate
Gujarati Sultanate
Rajasthan
Tibet

Rocky Mountain Confederation

Vancouver Republic
Western Sun Republic
Brigham's Republic
Republic of Texas

Unaligned (as of yet)

United Commonwealths of Virginia (Protectorates: Tripoli, Liberia)

Empire of Cuba
Republic of Guatemala
Republic of Honduras
Kingdom of Nueva Andalucia
Republic of Venezuela
Kingdom of Peru
Republic of Chili
United Provinces (Colonies: Kongo, Guyana, Dutch East Indes)
Kingdom of Sweden (allied with Iceland)
Republic of Iceland (allied with Sweden)
Republic of Novgorod
Sublime Ottoman Sultanate
Islamic Arab Caliphate (De Facto control: Wahabi tribes and emirates)
Chinese Empire

Neutral

Flanders
Switzerland
 
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I'm sorry, but lots of stuff in here just isn't plausible, even with a distant PoD.

For, example a more centralised Grossdeutschland? Under Austria? Not very likely. Prussia, as a highly militarised society, was far more centralised than Austria. As a dynastic empire, Austrian nobles had significant powers themselves. While this'll be lessened with an Austria that is not Balkan-focused (which also makes no sense. Germany may be richer, but the Balkans is a hell of a lot easier to conquer, especially with no Russia looming over it, and I imagine that to control Germany Austria would be a continentalist power just like in OTL, so it wouldn't help much with colonisation unless it was a comparatively earlier unification (much earlier).

And is the state in Greece and Anatolia a surviving Byzantine Empire? Or Turks?

And how the hell are you going to get enough westward migration to the Rockies for it to have a population capable of kicking out the US?

I'll add more to this later.
 
To be honest almost none of it is plausible. This is also in the wrong forum. It should be in Before 1900.
 

Delvestius

Banned
I'm sorry, but lots of stuff in here just isn't plausible, even with a distant PoD.

For, example a more centralised Grossdeutschland? Under Austria? Not very likely. Prussia, as a highly militarised society, was far more centralised than Austria. As a dynastic empire, Austrian nobles had significant powers themselves. While this'll be lessened with an Austria that is not Balkan-focused (which also makes no sense. Germany may be richer, but the Balkans is a hell of a lot easier to conquer, especially with no Russia looming over it, and I imagine that to control Germany Austria would be a continentalist power just like in OTL, so it wouldn't help much with colonisation unless it was a comparatively earlier unification (much earlier).

And is the state in Greece and Anatolia a surviving Byzantine Empire? Or Turks?

And how the hell are you going to get enough westward migration to the Rockies for it to have a population capable of kicking out the US?

I'll add more to this later.

And what, I ask, would prevent a line of successful Austrian emperors from establishing precedence for centralizing the Holy Roman Empire? Obviously it would be difficult to pull together after the age of feudalism, but y'know England, France and Spain did it. I don't see why it couldn't happen in Germany with competent emperors that had a different mindset. Not to mention, a Russian Court based in Kiev, a more powerful Hungary or Serbia.... All of these make the "Grossdeutsch" situation plausible. "Likely" is separate from "plausible". After all, how likely is it that world events happened exactly as they happened? I plan on German unification to happen soon after Westphalia.

Light Orange is a Turkish state. Surviving Byzantines? Now that's just silly...

As far as the American west, I plan on the war happening after the land rush, in addition to multiple gold rushes. If this is all you have a problem with, then I would say i'm doing pretty good...

To be honest almost none of it is plausible. This is also in the wrong forum. It should be in Before 1900.

Thanks for your explanation! And it is. Since I don't know when this map is going to be regarding the year, I figured I should get the feedback of all types of posters.
 
The OTL Katangan and CAR borders that are in your africa were formed by very specific chains of events that are un-likely to reoccur and could have been wandwaved by nearly any action by the colonising powers. In my opinion they are not sensible alternate borders.

For that matter Colombia and Venezuela have both absorbed small neighbours but have not got any other border changes at all which ignores the potential for butterfly effect in any of the numerous wars that took place in the area.
 
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Delvestius

Banned
The OTL Katangan and CAR borders that are in your africa were formed by very specific chains of events that are un-likely to reoccur and could have been wandwaved by nearly any action by the colonising powers. In my opinion they are not sensible alternate borders.

Sounds good. I was thinking about reworking African borders in general, since with everything else in the world going, I can probably get away with changing things up.
 
Sounds good. I was thinking about reworking African borders in general, since with everything else in the world going, I can probably get away with changing things up.

Apologies for sharpness of my previous comment.
iIt is mainly the spur of Katanga that is specific and would require incredibly non plausible convergance.

EDIT: Nepal also looks odd sticking into the independant kingdoms surronding it.
 

Delvestius

Banned
Apologies for sharpness of my previous comment.
iIt is mainly the spur of Katanga that is specific and would require incredibly non plausible convergance.

EDIT: Nepal also looks odd sticking into the independant kingdoms surronding it.

Neh your fine :)

I'll probably make some changes to the successor states to the Viceroyalties of South America after decolonization. My original intent was to show that these countries gained independence in their current borders, though if I'm switching up Africa I'll switch up South America as well.

As far as Nepal, I figured the Napalese would be granted an ethnic kingdom such as other groups in the area (Rajasthan is rather heterogenous, but it is in OTL as well). Everything in the tan represents a satellite state of Mongol powers in tribute and alliance, but they all retain nominal independent control. I just figured the British would try and fenangle in as far as they good, and gaining Nepal as a protectorate is as far as they got.

EDIT: I have also decided to keep some Portuguese states in India and Africa.
 
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