TL: UK Overseas Regions [Redux]

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Yeah, they're going to be changing their tune in about 20 years.

I have pondered that; by the time of China's rise, they'll potentially want back in. The only thing is I wonder if there's the bandwidth for that repivot back again; the UK has plenty of interests to look at anyway in it's overseas regions, especially in the Caribbean. Foreign policy will be focus closer on Africa and the West Indies due to those regions.
 
Of more visible impact to much of the general population was the reform of the House of Lords, covered in part by the earlier Royal Commission. The existing hereditary heirs were to lose their right to sit in the House of Lords, with the numbers decreasing year-by-year, and they would be replaced by a set of appointed peers, with the same powers as the existing House of Lords (as it was to continue unelected). This was an elaborate compromise, with Parliament split between those who favoured the leaving the system alone (more on the Conservative benches), those who favoured tweaking the system and those who wanted wholesale reform of the upper chamber - with either abolition or fully elected both being suggested. The middle option, of appointing the House of Lords was a middle road, with the more radical options failing to attract enough support due to questions over either an unchecked monopoly on power by the Commons (if the Lords were abolished), or a rival elected chamber stymieing the Commons (if the Lords were fully elected). In this case, each year a set of people would be honoured as a life peer and allowed to sit in the House of Lords for 12 years, after which they could be re-appointed if so wished, with the allotment of places mostly decided on the suggestion of the UK Government - but with some places reserved for politicians who had held high office (today, usually regarded as the British Prime Minister, Chancellor, Home Office Minister, Foreign Office Minister, Leader of the Opposition, and Premiers of the devolved administrations for at least 4 years in total). For the first time, the devolved administrations would have a quasi-voice in Westminster legislation, the ability to influence, even if their numbers in the House of Lords and power of the chamber were limited (*1).
What an unbelievably British way to do federalism
(*4) Having not embarrassed itself in the Middle East with the Suez Crisis, Britain is a more trusted partner in the area.
 
Given some of the points of view express by some in Labour during this period OTL this Kinnock administration is restrained and sensible- hardly the 'looney left heh?

Kinnock sounds like a decent PM ITTL. Britain sounds like its getting a good deal from its overseas regions as well as being in the EU and lacking American 'entanglements'.

Wonder how much Kinnock deregulated and 'opened up the markets' like Mrs T did? Hardly any I'd imagine, which means things like the Radio/TV market is still more controlled, and energy companies are not sold off.

Appointed HoL is the best compromise really. Wonder what the orginal Federalism report said compared to what was enacted?

Saddam was still stupid enough to invade Kuwait? Glad Kinnock was able to navigate that war. Did Iraq undergo 'regime change' this time round?

Was the intervention operation in Rwandan Civil War as UK only op or a UN one?

A 1990 settlement in Northern Ireland? Nice. Let's hope the next lot in power does not screw it up.

Am betting its Portillo in charge.
 

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What an unbelievably British way to do federalism
XD Yep!

Yeah, I pondered Middle East politics. The UK isn't a heavyweight in the region, but it does here retain closer relationships with Jordan, Oman, Trucial States.

Given some of the points of view express by some in Labour during this period OTL this Kinnock administration is restrained and sensible- hardly the 'looney left heh?
Kinnock sounds like a decent PM ITTL. Britain sounds like its getting a good deal from its overseas regions as well as being in the EU and lacking American 'entanglements'.
This is the followup to a more centre-left Labour party - there's no Michael Foot here for example. The far-left wings of Labour left to form the Socalist party (reverse SDP style split!), following Gaitskell's time and Callaghan. I'm not sure whether "good deal" is quite how I'd present it - they are going to be swallowing money completely out of kilter on a £/head basis, even if the small populations mean that it's not such a large gross sum.

Wonder how much Kinnock deregulated and 'opened up the markets' like Mrs T did? Hardly any I'd imagine, which means things like the Radio/TV market is still more controlled, and energy companies are not sold off.
Deregulation is ongoing; Thatcher has done some - and laid some groundwork for the future. I'd imagine media being more closely controlled, energy and water being transformed but not necessarily privatised.

Appointed HoL is the best compromise really. Wonder what the orginal Federalism report said compared to what was enacted?
I'd guess there would be some fluff about federalism, a Senate of the nations, etc etc, particularly leaning on Canada and Australia as Westminster systems as templates for how it could work. I think aside from some specific principles (ie. the pith and substance as noted), the UK is going to de facto end up more like OTL Spain - in practise a federation, but one where specific powers are devolved down rather than having specific powers centralised up.

Saddam was still stupid enough to invade Kuwait? Glad Kinnock was able to navigate that war. Did Iraq undergo 'regime change' this time round?
Don't know to be honest, I think the UK and France will assist in liberating Kuwait, but not be too bothered about going further then that.

Was the intervention operation in Rwandan Civil War as UK only op or a UN one?
My thought was a UN-authorised operation, which ends up as a de facto annexation as a way of preventing it occurring again.

A 1990 settlement in Northern Ireland? Nice. Let's hope the next lot in power does not screw it up.
Don't see it as an early Good Friday agreement - see it as a this TL counterpart to the OTL Anglo-Irish agreement. It doesn't really set out anything within Northern Ireland, it just says that the future of NI is for the people of NI to choose via the ballot box, stating something along the lines that "NI is currently a part of the UK, with it's future to be chosen by it's people" - ie. stating it's currently British, but leaving the door open to changing it's status if so chosen. It's going to equally satisfy and enrage both sides, but it lays out a reasonable (judged by the OTL Anglo-Irish Agreement) compromise which can serve as a basis for later negotiations about restarting devolution in Northern Ireland.

Am betting its Portillo in charge.
Not yet - he's born 1953, so he'll be barely 40 by the early 1990s! :)
 
Chapter 10: Major

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John Major
Conservative Premiership, 1991-1995, won election 1991

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John Major announcing his resignation in 1994.

John Major was partly a compromise candidate, but also won the leadership of the Conservative party as an extremely effective campaigner. Major promised there would be no further significant "Europeanisation" of the United Kingdom, explicitly promising to remain out of the fledgling Schengen Area and Euro currency projects, although made it clear it was in the UK interest to continue streamlining the European Single Market for the UK's export market and increasingly important financial markets. Defeating Iain Duncan Smith in the final round of voting, John Major became the next UK Prime Minister, as a socially liberal, economically conservative and a realist in Europe, seeking the trading arrangements without the European federalism. It was during Major's Premiership that the United Kingdom began being seen as a challenge to European integration for it's ability to object to any step towards greater political integration. This would result in the "Enhanced Integration" proposal to allow members to integrate further where a Union-wide consensus does not exist (*1), and the beginning of a two-step European Community, with an inner closely integrated group, and an outer lesser integrated group. Despite his image in Europe, his actions allowed him to reinforce his credentials as the leader of the Conservative Party. Conversely to this however, Major was also responsible for closer national relationships with several European nations, and France in particular from which resulted the accession of France to the Commonwealth of Nations, and the reciprocal UK accession to La Francophonie. The close relations between France and the United Kingdom, and by extension with Canada, Australia and New Zealand brought about a new wave of military, and espionage in particular, harmonisation and intelligence-sharing.

One part of the legacy of Major is the response to the volcanic eruption on Montserrat in 1995. Royal Navy ships assisted in the evacuation of Plymouth, and the wider island, following the eruption which quickly made much of the island uninhabitable. Many Montserratians left the island for other islands in the West Indies, but the sheer amount of Montserratians due to the virtually complete evacuation overwhelmed most of the small Caribbean islands. Most Montserratians therefore left for Great Britain, where ex-pat communities established themselves in London and several other "mainland" British cities. The UK Government provided financial assistance to many of the local governments taking in Montserratians, to expedite integration given they were de facto internal/domestic refugees. The island remains under populated, historically speaking, as many former residents are yet to return given the widespread destruction. Another of his Government's international accomplishments came in collaboration with the French in seeking and finding a settlement to the breakup of Yugoslavia. This had seen extensive ethnic violence, but Franco-British diplomacy and actions kept major warfare between factions largely at bay, and at German behest, resulted in the later division of Yugoslavia. This resulted in a rump Yugoslavia containing Serbia, parts of Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia on one side, and newly independent nations of Slovenia and Croatia (including parts of Bosnia, later named Herzogovina) on the other side - the latter two of which would eventually accede to the European Community. In the middle lay a smaller Republic of Bosnia - a Bosniak state, which to some level served as a buffer state between Yugoslavia and Croatia, with some Bosniaks fleeing ethnic violence rapidly making their way towards.

By the start of Major's time in Downing Street, there were far fewer de facto dependencies left then ever before; Antarctic Territory, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Diego Garcia, Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Mann, South Atlantic Islands, Pitcairn Islands, and the base in Cyprus (Akrotiri) - the Crown Dependencies largely treated the same as the other British dependencies despite the difference in the constitutional relationship. A simmering territorial dispute with Mauritius, de facto a British dependency since sweeping political violence in the 1960s and 1970s forced the return of the British military to maintain order, meant discussions over the future of the Indian Ocean dependency; the existence of a UK base in the British Seychelles meant that it was realistically only a US base despite assertions otherwise. The United States, able to smell the wind, had begun to move operations to the Harold Holt base in Australia anyway, and also had received permission to use the British Assumption Island base in the Seychelles as well as agreements with the United Arab Emirates (the former British Trucial States). The moves allowed Major to declare that UK defence interests no longer required the use of Indian Ocean territory and allow the return of the Chagos Islands in 5 years with an early (mutually agreed) termination of the lease with the United States, freeing up an awkward burden for the United Kingdom (*2).

Domestically, towards the start of Major's time in power, the cause of university education tuition fees was paramount. The rapidly increasing numbers of students attending university was both a cause for celebration, but also a financial blackhole. Reform of the financial model for higher education quickly spun out in to a reform of the wider system of devolution funding, as education was a mostly devolved topic to the Home Nations. The end result would see reform for several taxes controlled by either Westminster, with income tax now divided in to "Central Income Tax" (*3) and "Devolved Income Tax", and directed towards Westminster or the relevant devolved budget. This also formally shifted the much of the burden of university funding from Westminster to the devolved authorities - or in to a ring fenced "English & Welsh Budget" controlled by Westminster for England & Wales only affairs (*4), although the UK maintained the right to further subsidise university education where it saw appropriate, and this saw STEMM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering, Maths, Medicine) maintain a UK subsidy. This introduction allowed the elimination of much of the devolved funding formula over the rest of the 1990s which ended up unexpectedly being popular all - popular in the devolved administrations for reducing their reliance on Westminster handouts (despite the tight financial borrowing rules, later regarded as a financial straitjacket), and popular in England for reducing the perceived burden of subsidising other areas of the United Kingdom.

Coupled to this, was the Major & Conservative led reform of the economy, as many state-owned companies were privatised. British Telecommunications was finally privatised, given the increasing competition from mostly unified cable company NTL as well as private operators such as Cable & Wireless. Electrical non-nuclear generators were privatised, with the transmission networks remaining state-owned, but reform of the water industry, however, remained elusive. Royal Mail took a slightly different approach, being broadly speaking "federalised"; the Royal Mail Logistics business unit looked after inter-regional and international mail movements, whilst individual Royal Mail business units existed in each Home Nation for the purposes of local delivery & collection, and could therefore be accountable to the local administration as well. Reform of British Rail occurred along similar lines, with much of it reformed in to separate business units based around Scotland, Wales, and several large English regions. The reform of local government saw the two-tier structures abolished in favour of new unitary authorities in order to "streamline" government and reduce perceived wastage, a model rapidly copied in Wales too (*4). Similar moves had already occurred in the other Home Nations, where Scotland had abolished it's twin-tier system, and the other Home Nations had never had such layers. In years later however, the drawbacks of such a localised unitary approach became visible, as frequently the lack of cross-border co-operation hindered oversight of topics on a wider scale such as public transport or strategic planning.

By 1995 however, with the economy still struggling to recover from a dip and one of the tabloid newspapers divulging that Major had had an affair in the middle of the Government's attempts to reform family and divorce law in England, things rapidly became highly embarrassing for Major. Major, instead of the Government, rapidly became the centre of attention, and Major chose to stand down in 1995 following the selection of his successor by the Conservative Party. With less than a year until an election was neccessary once again, the timing was less than ideal, but internally viewed as required. Following this, Major largely retreated from life in the Commons, although retaining a seat in the House of Lords for his high level public service, and has since become heavily involved in the governance and administration of English and Welsh cricket.

Notes:
(*1) As the UK has joined later (1980s), it's therefore allowed the initial 6 to integrate further without interruptions before the first enlargement, so I think the UK will still be trying to avoid further steps towards European integration over economics.
(*2) Chagos Islands in this TL were still hived off to form a military base like OTL, given that the US would largely be involved in funding it - I can see attitudes at the time being something like "if they want to pay for a base in the middle of nowhere, we'll take their cash". But this is bringing the Chagos Islands back to Mauritius; which is a de facto British dependency following political violence.
(*3) Wasn't sure what to call this "federal" income tax, as "national" is a bit awkward given that the Home Nations are, well, nations in some contexts, and I can well see many UK politicians having a fit over the use of the word "federal". This is roughly comparative to OTL with regards to Scotland; some tax collection in Scotland goes directly to the Scottish Govt, whilst VAT revenue in Scotland is split 50-50 between Holyrood and Westminster.
(*4) Wales still without a devolved system, given the OTL level of disapproval with it from the Welsh (see the original referendum for starters), as well as Kinnock (a Welshman) being dismissive of Welsh devolution.
 
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3) Wasn't sure what to call this "federal" income tax, as "national" is a bit awkward given that the Home Nations are, well, nations in some contexts, and I can well see many UK politicians having a fit over the use of the word "federal".
"Royal"/"Crown" tax instead "federal" maybe will work better
 
The moves allowed Major to declare that UK defence interests no longer required the use of Indian Ocean territory and allow the return of the Chagos Islands in 5 years with an early (mutually agreed) termination of the lease with the United States, freeing up an awkward burden for the United Kingdom (*2).
Will they at least still put patrol craft out of the Seychelles? To keep the waters around that area patrolled at the very least.
 
Huh, so no state for Muslim Bosniaks? Given they were a separate faction and were at war with both Serbs and Croats (and allied with Croats before and after they fought them), I can't see them giving in without being given at least a largely autonomous regions in Croatia (no chance for something similar in Serbia). And even that stretches the credulity a lot, it's like 0,1% possibility. Confederal state with Croatia is a bit more plausible.

I think you just forgot to mention they got their own state in a territory they controlled?
 

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I assume Cornwall and Greater London will be included here?

Will the other metro areas get GLA style devolution (metro mayor and assembly) as well?

I think Cornwall, Greater London and some form of Northern England devolution are probably on the cards. Although here, the Greater London Council is probably never abolished due to Thatcher not hanging around for too long, I guess some "devolution deal" will grant London further powers. English regional devolution - I can't see how devolution to England as a whole can work - is a natural progression from the non-English devolution that exists here.

"Royal"/"Crown" tax instead "federal" maybe will work better
Perhaps, I can see Westminster going for something boring like "Central" for this.

Will they at least still put patrol craft out of the Seychelles? To keep the waters around that area patrolled at the very least.
Chagos / OTL British Indian Ocean Territory will be handed back to Mauritius. I still ponder Mauritius joining the UK, and whilst I like the idea, I can't quite see it happening. The population is enormous compared to other regions.

Huh, so no state for Muslim Bosniaks? Given they were a separate faction and were at war with both Serbs and Croats (and allied with Croats before and after they fought them), I can't see them giving in without being given at least a largely autonomous regions in Croatia (no chance for something similar in Serbia). And even that stretches the credulity a lot, it's like 0,1% possibility. Confederal state with Croatia is a bit more plausible.

I think you just forgot to mention they got their own state in a territory they controlled?
Yeah, the more I think about this, the more I agree with you. I'm leaning to just rewriting those few lines to carve out a Bosniak state. It's an area I can see the Anglo-French duopoly getting involved in (hence the comments), but I don't think it's great here so I'll amend it when I get some time.
 
I assume Cornwall and Greater London will be included here?

Will the other metro areas get GLA style devolution (metro mayor and assembly) as well?
Cornish Devolution.......that's going to make Devonians like me a bit frisky in ATL. Why can't we have it? Type questions considering both areas share the same problems and have an independent streak built on being ignored 99% of the time by Westminster.
 
Cornish Devolution.......that's going to make Devonians like me a bit frisky in ATL. Why can't we have it? Type questions considering both areas share the same problems and have an independent streak built on being ignored 99% of the time by Westminster.
Meanwhile, a Southwest England Region is going to make the Cornish annoyed
 
Meanwhile, a Southwest England Region is going to make the Cornish annoyed
It's like the time the electoral commision suggested a new parliamentary seat that linked up Bude/Heartland & Bideford.

Annoyed was a understatement, especially when the local councils warned them 'This isn't going to go down well......"
 

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Time to catch up a bit on this thread :)

Huh, so no state for Muslim Bosniaks? Given they were a separate faction and were at war with both Serbs and Croats (and allied with Croats before and after they fought them), I can't see them giving in without being given at least a largely autonomous regions in Croatia (no chance for something similar in Serbia). And even that stretches the credulity a lot, it's like 0,1% possibility. Confederal state with Croatia is a bit more plausible.

I think you just forgot to mention they got their own state in a territory they controlled?
Corrected, with the Republic of Bosnia now added to the text, probably centred around Sarajevo and the Bosniak majority areas.

Cornish Devolution.......that's going to make Devonians like me a bit frisky in ATL. Why can't we have it? Type questions considering both areas share the same problems and have an independent streak built on being ignored 99% of the time by Westminster.

Meanwhile, a Southwest England Region is going to make the Cornish annoyed

It's like the time the electoral commision suggested a new parliamentary seat that linked up Bude/Heartland & Bideford.

Annoyed was a understatement, especially when the local councils warned them 'This isn't going to go down well......"

Time for Cornwall-Devon, where both counties have separate governments and armies, but a common king, Charles

0.0000001 seconds later, there will be a civil war over what order to put jam and cream on scones, and which one has the better pasty

Obviously Devon, plus better rugby, better football, better surfing, better beaches......I could go on.
To lump these all together, I think Cornish devolution is on the cards at some point. It's a distinct cultural area, at least from the view from outside the Devon & Cornwall area. That said, it'll be devolution as an English...province I guess, to use the same terminology as the short devolved Yorkshire story I did. It's not going to be an outright devolved nation on the level of Scotland, the Windies, Malta or anywhere else - administrative devolution predominately.


Whyd Monsterrat blow a year early here?
Yeah that's an error from editing, thank you for spotting! I've chopped and changed the 1990s several times as I've pondered and repondered it multiple times, hence why it's managed to sneak through. I've gone for the simple correction of keeping Major a year longer to keep the Montserrat segment largely unchanged, which shouldn't change a huge amount.
 
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