TL: The War of Dogger Bank, or the Anglo-Russian War- Version 1 DISCONTINUED

Just caught up. Interesting...and always good to see the Royal Navy doing well.


Now this peace deal will have very far-reaching ramifications in Asia. Korea and Manchuria at such an early stage... Will this add fuel to the fire of Japanese militarism, or will having their objectives met so early - and gaining resources and new land so early - lead them to calm down a bit? Especially since a great deal of nationalist sentiment was generated by the supposed 'inadequate' terms they gained OTL...this could see the era of the genro go on longer rather than mad junior officers setting policy...

I think they'll have calm down a bit, they got a pretty big indemnity and a massive transfer of territory. Compared to OTL it's a bonanza. And without American interference in the peace treaty, America won't be seen as the potential threat they were historically. Now all of Japan's efforts will be at keeping Manchuria safe from Russia.

I'm willing to bet that's it's Japan who intervenes in Mongolia in 1911 instead of Russia.
 
Oh yep that should be 10 Million pounds not ten billion, sorry guys.

Regarding the limiting of the Baltic Fleet, it's just a precaution, to ensure that the Royal Navy would not get challenged like that again by Russia, and keep in mind it is only the Baltic Fleet that is being limited, the Black Sea and Far Eastern Fleets have not been limited (the later was blasted to bits anyway)
Plus, you spend less money on the most incompetent idiots to ever sail a rain puddle. No, not some large one. That tiny rain puddle that you see little kids play around in a few centimeters deep.
 
Great start!

I wonder how Austria-Hungary, the Balkan nations and Turkey will respond to this. Certainly Austria and Turkey will be glad not to have an Entente to deal with, and I imagine Serbia will not be terribly pleased to see Russia lose all her allies. Perhaps during the July Crisis, if it even happens, Serbia might capitulate entirely to Vienna?
 
Great start!

I wonder how Austria-Hungary, the Balkan nations and Turkey will respond to this. Certainly Austria and Turkey will be glad not to have an Entente to deal with, and I imagine Serbia will not be terribly pleased to see Russia lose all her allies. Perhaps during the July Crisis, if it even happens, Serbia might capitulate entirely to Vienna?
I can't wait to see how WWI will turn out because of this.
Wait and see!;)
 
The May Revolution/ The Revolution of 1905
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The May Revolution/ The Revolution of 1905

The period of 1904-1905 was a period of growing peasant and worker discontent, which culminated in full revolution in May. Bloody Sunday had begun a chain reaction against the Imperial Regime, and by March of 1905, resentment against the Tsar had grown so vast that several nationalities were fighting for their independence, while factories all across St. Petersburg and Moscow were being seized on authority of the several Soviets that had been founded across the country.

Instrumental to the May revolution would be two groups. The first was the St. Petersburg Soviet, whose members would be organised by Leon Trotsky and would launch the revolution on May 2nd. The second group would be the Menshevik party. Under Julius Martov, the Mensheviks had at first wanted an evolutionary phase, rather than a revolutionary phase. However, changing circumstances and Trotsky’s seizure of the government on behalf of the Mensheviks would place them as the first government of the Soviet Union of Russia.

However, it is possible that the Revolution would not have happened if it weren’t for one crucial decision. Tsar Nicholas’ decision to leave the capital and participate in the talks at Liverpool, leaving the Tsarina in charge would prove to be the nail in the coffin for Imperial Russia. On March 30th, upon the signing of the Treaty of Liverpool, the Russian economy collapsed and protesters against the Tsarist government numbered over half a million. The Tsarina ordered the St. Petersburg garrison to open fire on the protesters, but many soldiers instead shot their officers and joined the protesters against the government. On March 2nd, Tsar Nicholas II attempted to return to St. Petersburg and restore order, but upon his arrival in St. Petersburg, he was confronted by rioters and revolutionary troops and was forced to abdicate. In the chaos that followed, soldiers and members of the St. Petersburg Soviet, led by Leon Trotsky seized government buildings and by 5 pm, the royal family was arrested and a socialist government was proclaimed by the Mensheviks, with elections promised for August. The authority of the new government was recognised across the majority of Russia and a Soviet Republic of Russia was proclaimed by Martov and Trotsky. However Poland, the Baltic States, Finland and the Ukraine declared independence, which the German Empire was happy to guarantee, and the Bolshevik Party under Lenin openly rejected the new government, declaring it be “un revolutionary and capitalist”.

After 300 years of Romanov rule, Russia had found itself free of Romanov rule. With the former Tsar and his family sent into exile (they wound up in Germany as guests of Nicholas’ cousin), Russia had entered a new era, but it was unclear if the new government could survive and fix the problems that now plagued Russia.
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Next: The Russian Constitution and the Civil War
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Authors note-

In TTL, Trotsky does not leave the Mensheviks, although he still supports a revolutionary action. Further, Trotsky is a founding member of the St. Petersburg Soviet and thus had authority within the Soviet.
 
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One niggle: With British belligerency, this is really one war we're talking about, not two: After all, Britain has a formal military alliance with Japan already, and they're obviously cooperative co-belligerents - and they're both at the same peace table together.

So: One war, two main theaters.

But that does raise the question of what to call this war, and that's a hard one to make out. The best I can come up with is "The Manchurian War." Or even "The War of 1904."

P.S. Curious if you will you will posit a more serious Polish uprising here.
 
Proceed... :D
I certainly will!:D
One niggle: With British belligerency, this is really one war we're talking about, not two: After all, Britain has a formal military alliance with Japan already, and they're obviously cooperative co-belligerents - and they're both at the same peace table together.

So: One war, two main theaters.

But that does raise the question of what to call this war, and that's a hard one to make out. The best I can come up with is "The Manchurian War." Or even "The War of 1904."

P.S. Curious if you will you will posit a more serious Polish uprising here.
Techinically, historians have both regarded them as two seperate wars and one joint war. Collectively, they are known as the "Russian War of 1904"

Poland will be discussed in the next update;)
 
This war just saved millions of Russian lives from being needlessly wasted in the trenches of WWI and the subsequent Bolshevik insanity. And it might have also averted the ultra militaristic faction from taking over in Japan, saving even more lives in the long run.
 
This war just saved millions of Russian lives from being needlessly wasted in the trenches of WWI and the subsequent Bolshevik insanity. And it might have also averted the ultra militaristic faction from taking over in Japan, saving even more lives in the long run.

Or has it? I am sure something will come along and kills untold millions just like the World Wars. Do not understatement human greed, stupidity, and fear to fucked things up.

A Great War can, and will still break out, and Japan may, and can still turn to the path of ultra militarists.
 
However Poland, the Baltic States, Finland and the Ukraine declared independence, which the German Empire was happy to guarantee,

Given that there is most likely still Russian troops in the Baltic states, Finland and Ukraine, wouldn't a German promise to guarantee the independence of these breakaway provinces essentially be a German declaration of war on Russia?
 
The Russian Constitution and the Civil War
Given that there is most likely still Russian troops in the Baltic states, Finland and Ukraine, wouldn't a German promise to guarantee the independence of these breakaway provinces essentially be a German declaration of war on Russia?
Not when Russia isn't in a state to fight Germany, as shown in the update below!

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The Russian Constitution and the Civil War


Upon the restoration of order to the Russian Republic by August, the election of the “Peoples Duma” went ahead as planned. The opening of the Peoples Duma was scheduled for October 3.

By the time the votes were counted, the radical parties had won a total victory. The Mensheviks had gained almost all the proletariat vote, while the SRs had gained the peasant vote. The Bolsheviks only secured 6 seats, while the conservative parties were too disorganised and only gained 10 seats out of the 368 seat Duma.

Due to the overwhelming majority of the Mensheviks and SRs, it was decided that the government would be formed out of a Menshevik-SR coalition, with Martov being elected chairman of the Peoples Council (a thirteen strong council), with Trotsky being commissar of War, and Chernov being commissar of the peasantry.



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The flag of the Soviet Republic of Russia


A new constitution was also drafted, where it was decided by the Mensheviks and SRs that due to their control of 96% of the Duma, the SR-Menshevik coalition would make all the decisions, while all other parties would not have the final say in running the country. This decision would cause a Bolshevik and Kadet walkout, much to the coalitions delight. The rest of the first Convention of the Peoples Duma would prove to be quite productive for the new government. New policies were enacted, with the gradual nationalization of the nation’s economy, the granting of noble land to the peasantry, the establishment of several laws regarding workers’ rights and the establishment of a secular state. Further, the Duma recognized the independence of the Baltic States, Poland, Finland, and the Ukraine. Although Trotsky argued for the army to invade the aforementioned countries, the fact that Germany had signed economic and military treaties with these countries, as well as war weariness, meant that military intervention was a not a possiblility.

Upon news of the new constitution, many workers and peasants looked to a bright future. However, conservative forces rose up with loyalist Cossacks in the Kuban, and Kazakh region, declaring the new government to be illegitimate, the constitution to be unlawful and promising to reinstate the Tsar to the throne. Further, the Bolsheviks seized government buildings in Moscow, declaring the new government to be “ignorant of the proletariat wishes”.

Although the Bolshevik rising would be crushed within days (Lenin would flee to France), conservative forces would only be defeated in November 1906, and it is possible that the Russian Civil War would have gone on for another year if it wasn’t for the disunity of the conservative or White forces and the brilliance of Trotsky. Further, the end of the Russian Civil War would bring the new Soviet Republic much needed stability and order. However, the Civil War would prevent the Russians from participating in the Franco-German War, a rather short lived war which would redefine the order of Europe and would vastly affect the next century and beyond.


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How is Soviet Russia viewed in the other great powers? I'm sure Berlin is pleased that Russia is willingly giving up much of its land, while the French are probably upset that their ally has been reduced to such a sorry state. I bet Britain, Austria, Japan and the Ottoman Empire are also very pleased that Russia has been weakened substantially. Perhaps Austria and Turkey might try to make demands of Russia?
 
And it might have also averted the ultra militaristic faction from taking over in Japan, saving even more lives in the long run.

Very likely. Given so much militarist sentiment sprang from post-1905 'We won but the foreign barbarians thwarted us at the peace table' feelings, it could be that success at this point will lead to a more mellow Japan. Not perfect, true, and one that'll be eager to absorb their new holdings, but not the mad blood knights of the Showa era...
 
Very likely. Given so much militarist sentiment sprang from post-1905 'We won but the foreign barbarians thwarted us at the peace table' feelings, it could be that success at this point will lead to a more mellow Japan. Not perfect, true, and one that'll be eager to absorb their new holdings, but not the mad blood knights of the Showa era...

Or it just adds gas to the fire and Japan still turns into OTL Imperial War Samurai.
 
Or it just adds gas to the fire and Japan still turns into OTL Imperial War Samurai.

Hopefully not.

And it'd be reasonable to butterfly away - OTL militarism was the result of specific events and certain individuals rising to prominence. Change one such event, and all else is ripe for the butterflying: for example, Ito Hirobumi probably won't die now. As a moderate voice, his survival will have all manner of ramifications.
 
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