TL research/ideas for a Jacobite Restoration

You'd have to ask Chookie, since it's his post - but I suspect (given his mention of it later in the thread) he's using: "1745 A Military History" by Stuart Reid.

And I wouldn't trust wiki on something as emotional as Jacobite issues.

Jacobite issues are still emotional? Really? :confused:
 
Jacobite issues are still emotional? Really? :confused:

I've always been fascinated by the Jacobite movement, I don't know why but I have. Maybe its the romantic aspect of a exiled King returning home triumphantly or my Legitimist tendencies to be against replacing a monarch but its a favorite of mine.

And since people like that are just as capable of writing wiki articles as people like you, I'd say yes. They may be the minority, but as someone who is a wiki-skeptic, I'm not inclined to trust a wiki article on something where the kind of people who care to write them are not necessarily the people who see it merely as an interesting situation.
 
I honestly wonder how badly this could work out for France.

A foreign puppet who is convinced that the invading army he brings will be welcomed as liberators? Oh yea, that'll end well.
 
1715 is your best shot. Just compare the size of the Jacobite armies then to the one raised by the Young Pretender thirty years later - and there were plans for risings in England, which there never were in 1745. In both England and Scotland you have Tory anger at their summary exclusion from power and popular dissatisfaction with a foreign King coming to power, whilst in Scotland the Union is still very unpopular.
 
1715 is your best shot. Just compare the size of the Jacobite armies then to the one raised by the Young Pretender thirty years later - and there were plans for risings in England, which there never were in 1745. In both England and Scotland you have Tory anger at their summary exclusion from power and popular dissatisfaction with a foreign King coming to power, whilst in Scotland the Union is still very unpopular.

If the numbers Elfwine provided are accurate then I'll have to look into the 15 rising more.
 
I honestly wonder how badly this could work out for France.

A foreign puppet who is convinced that the invading army he brings will be welcomed as liberators? Oh yea, that'll end well.

If the Stuarts play their cards right it could, could mind you, end up like the Bourbon Restoration in 1814/15. Much of the population being apathetic to a change in Kings with some being happy to have a English King back plus not having to defend Hanover, and some being angry that a Catholic semi-absolutist has returned.
 
Jacobite issues are still emotional? Really? :confused:

You'd be surprised. There have been a couple of times where, after reading an article, I've made a minor edit, only to have it reversed and a biting comment concerning the audacity and wrongness of my change. I've also seen a few "edit wars" fought over the smallest of details.
 
You'd be surprised. There have been a couple of times where, after reading an article, I've made a minor edit, only to have it reversed and a biting comment concerning the audacity and wrongness of my change. I've also seen a few "edit wars" fought over the smallest of details.

OK if Wikipedia is sooo untrustworthy, then does anyone have trustworthy numbers with actual sources for the Jacobite and British armies?
 
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