TL check - Louisiana

Two things:

Is this reasonably realistic?

And what might result?

1684 - Robert de La Salle establishes a French colony at the mouth of the Brazos River, establishing the western boundary of the Louisiana Territory

1705 - The Bavarian Peasant Insurrection breaks out during the War of Spanish Sucesssion. With a bit of French aid, the insurrection spreads, encompassing most of Lower Bavaria, Innviertel, Eastern Bavaria, the Upper Palatinate and Kelheim on the Danube. The rebels manage to capture and hold Munich for several months.

1708 - The Austrians finally manage to defeat the Bavarian Insurrection.

1710-1725 - Various French and Spanish companies bring large numbers of German immigrants into New France and New Spain, including Mexico, Louisiana and Canada. France also loosens it's restrictions on Protestant immigration.

1715 - Treaty of Utrecht divides New France between Spain and Britain.

1754-64 - the French and Indian War, AKA the Eight Years War

1754-1766 - The Great Expullsion - The British expell French and German Catholics from Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Quebec. Most end up in Louisiana.

1755-62 - Acadian Rebellion - Joseph "Beausoleil" Broussard leads Acadian resistance against the British

1762 - Joseph "Beausoleil" Broussard is captured and imprisoned by the British

1764 - Broussard is freed on grounds that he andhis followers leave Acadia. After a brief time in Dominica, they settle in Louisiana

1764 - France signd over it's North American colonial possessions to Spain and Britain. Lousisiana sees a short lived pro-French rebellion, and the Martimes and Quebec see much more serious unrest.

1768-1770 - Louisiana Uprising - Germans and Cajuns object to Spanish rule.

1760-70s - British American colonies see increasing tensions, with numerous and escalating incidents of violence.

1774 - British pass Intolerable Acts, The First Continental Congress meets

1775 - Battles of Lexington, Concord, and Bunker Hill, The Second Continental Congress

1776 - Thomas Paine publishes "Good Sense", on July 5 the Second Continental Congress approves the Declaration of Independence

1777 - Vermont establish a republic, Articles of Confederation adopted by the Second Continental Congress

1778 - Treaty of Alliance with France

1780 - Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown

1781 - Articles of Confederation ratified, British surrender at Yorktown

1782 - The British government recognizes American independence.

1783 - The Treaty of Paris ends the American Revolutionary War, Philadelphia Mutiny

1874 Capitol moved to New York, Franklin secedes from North Carolina

1785 - Congress admits Franklin to the Union

1786 - Shays' Rebellion, Annapolis Convention fails

1787 - Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia

1788 -Constitution goes into effect, U.S. presidential election

1789 - George Washington becomes President

1794 - Whiskey Rebellion

1797-1800 - Quasi War between the US and France

1801 - Upper Louisiana Purchase

1802 - France refuses US access to the mouth of Mississipi

1803-4 - Louisiana War - US seizes Lower Louisiana over access to mouth of Mississipi River

1805-1815 - Louisiana Rebellion

1812-1815 - War of 1812

1814 - British invade Louisiana
 
Even if it's really minor and the location of said border doesn't become important for a couple hundred years?

The real POD is the Bavarian Insurrection. Le Salle can be dropped easily enough.

And yes, this will eventually become a proper bit of lit. I've been messing with it and getting closer and closer. It's intended to be background for a different project, but marrying conlanging and alt-history is a natural...

I have some delish ideas for where this can go eventually... :cool:
 
Some interesting ideas, but it's way too convergent.

In other words, close but no kewpie doll. :)

The key point I'm looking to get to here is a significantly larger German population in Louisiana. (This is supposed to be background for a German-French-Spanish Creole language based in Louisiana).

Help on the timeline will be rewarded with a better ultimate thread...
 
The biggest problem I see with your TL is not really the Bavarian Insurrection being more successful, but rather France and Spain drastically changing their colonial policy in the middle of a war, for no apparent reason.

You'll definitely need to explain/research why the French (and Especially the Spanish!) change their OTL very strict policy on colonists.

Another major problem is your lumping in Quebec with the Acadian expulsions. There's simply no way this would happen. In OTL the British had enough problems deporting the Acadians, it was a logistical and fiscal nightmare, hence why it wasn't repeated with the occupation of Quebec. Quebec was 4-5x bigger than Acadia population wise making it entirely unfeasible for the British to expel their population.

Also keep in mind that La Salle's colony on the Brazos isn't going to do particularly well given the hostile natives and the proximity of New Spain. In OTL the Spanish troops sent several expeditions to annihilate French Louisiana but they failed. Given the closer proximity I'd wager that they might find him in TTL. Further complicating matters is that the mouth of the Brazos is a swampy area and thus a horrible place to start a colony.
 
1754-64 - the French and Indian War, AKA the Eight Years War
In 1762 the british planed to attack Havana and New Orleans.
IOTL the Forces being raised for the New Orleans attack got sent to Havana as reinforcements, and the War ended before a new force for New Orleans could be raised.
ITTL with the war lasting a extra year the New Orleans Attack will probably happen.

OTL
The British encouraged Small Craftsmen and Shop Owners in Cuba to compete for Supply and provision Contract. The Economy of Cuba began to grow in leaps and Bounds.
The first thing the returning Spanish did in 1763 was to shut all this down.
ITTL the changes will have a extra year to set up resentment at being shut down. This may lead to Cuba revolting in the early 1800's with the rest of Latin America.

1764 - France signed over it's North American colonial possessions to Spain and Britain. Louisiana sees a short lived pro-French rebellion, and the Martimes and Quebec see much more serious unrest.
1802 - France refuses US access to the mouth of Mississipi
If France signed over Louisiana to Spain or Britain. ?How could France be refuseing the US anything.?
1780 - Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown

1781 - Articles of Confederation ratified, British surrender at Yorktown
It seems to be a Awfully Long surrender ceremony.
 
The biggest problem I see with your TL is not really the Bavarian Insurrection being more successful, but rather France and Spain drastically changing their colonial policy in the middle of a war, for no apparent reason.

You'll definitely need to explain/research why the French (and Especially the Spanish!) change their OTL very strict policy on colonists.

Errr... this sprang originally out of Louisiana's German Coast. The French were accepting German colonists.

Another major problem is your lumping in Quebec with the Acadian expulsions. There's simply no way this would happen. In OTL the British had enough problems deporting the Acadians, it was a logistical and fiscal nightmare, hence why it wasn't repeated with the occupation of Quebec. Quebec was 4-5x bigger than Acadia population wise making it entirely unfeasible for the British to expel their population.

A point well taken where I need to clarify. I didn't intend that all the Quebeqois were expelled - just a more significant repession.

Also keep in mind that La Salle's colony on the Brazos isn't going to do particularly well given the hostile natives and the proximity of New Spain. In OTL the Spanish troops sent several expeditions to annihilate French Louisiana but they failed. Given the closer proximity I'd wager that they might find him in TTL. Further complicating matters is that the mouth of the Brazos is a swampy area and thus a horrible place to start a colony.

Having grown up in that exact area, yeah it's not ideal territory, for either Le Salle or SF Austin's colony. The intet wasn't toestablish apermanent colony but to establish a border for 1840s expansion... Le Salle can easily be dropped.

In 1762 the british planed to attack Havana and New Orleans.
IOTL the Forces being raised for the New Orleans attack got sent to Havana as reinforcements, and the War ended before a new force for New Orleans could be raised.
ITTL with the war lasting a extra year the New Orleans Attack will probably happen.

OTL
The British encouraged Small Craftsmen and Shop Owners in Cuba to compete for Supply and provision Contract. The Economy of Cuba began to grow in leaps and Bounds.
The first thing the returning Spanish did in 1763 was to shut all this down.
ITTL the changes will have a extra year to set up resentment at being shut down. This may lead to Cuba revolting in the early 1800's with the rest of Latin America.

If France signed over Louisiana to Spain or Britain. ?How could France be refuseing the US anything.?It seems to be a Awfully Long surrender ceremony.

Good stuff, thank you.

I don't have such good access to research materials here. If anyoe can suggest a decent online source...

Oh, and the yorktown bit was simply slop from consolidating TLs.
 
Keep in mind that the actual numbers of German colonists that reached Louisiana and survived was quite low (in the hundreds). Also keep in mind that France's colonies were on the low end of the totem pole in terms of funding and that the North American colonies especially were massive wastes of money, never turning a profit in their entire existence.

Any increase in the number of settlers would only increase the costs of maintaining the colony when the colonial administration desperately wanted them to "break even". The costs of settling these colonists would be extremely prohibitive to such a course of action.

My bigger beef was with the French allowing Protestant immigration to the colonies (never gonna happen) or the Spanish allowing anyone but Castilans to immigrate.
 
Keep in mind that the actual numbers of German colonists that reached Louisiana and survived was quite low (in the hundreds). Also keep in mind that France's colonies were on the low end of the totem pole in terms of funding and that the North American colonies especially were massive wastes of money, never turning a profit in their entire existence.

Any increase in the number of settlers would only increase the costs of maintaining the colony when the colonial administration desperately wanted them to "break even". The costs of settling these colonists would be extremely prohibitive to such a course of action.

My bigger beef was with the French allowing Protestant immigration to the colonies (never gonna happen) or the Spanish allowing anyone but Castilans to immigrate.

LOL

That was the whole point of the Bavarian POD.
 
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