TL-191: Yankee Joe - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the U.S. Armed Forces

CASSICTOR2 · Aug 28, 2022

Alterwright said:
… a little more red.

Billy and his cousin Hans don’t like that
EDIT: This is a Shitpost

S. Marlowski · Sep 25, 2022

Some USN Submarines

V/Barracuda class Fleet Submarine (1920-1922)

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,119 normal surfaced/2,506 underwater
Propulsion: 2x MAN diesel engines, 2x diesel generators, and 2x electric motors
Range: 12,000 nautical miles surfaced/10 underwater
Speed: 18.7 knots surfaced/9 underwater
Operation Diving Depth: 60 Meters
Sensor: WBA Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber deck gun
2 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (1x2)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 12 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
V1 (SF-1), USS Barracuda (SS-163) - 1931	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	August 1917	August 17, 1920	October 1920		Sunk by British escorts northwest of Ireland, March 2, 1942.
V2 (SF-2), USS Bass (SS-164) - 1931	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	August 1917	December 27, 1920	September 1921	March 1944	Sold for scrap, August 1944.
V3 (SF-3), USS Bonita (SS-165) - 1931	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	September 1917	June 9, 1921	May 1922	March 1944	Sold for scrap, August 1944.

Fleet Minelaying Submarine V4/USS Argonaut (1926)

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,878 normal surfaced/4,045 underwater
Propulsion: 2x Fairbank-Morse diesel engines, 2x Fairbank-Morse diesel generators, and 2x electric motors
Range: 18,000 nautical miles surfaced/50 underwater
Speed: 15 knots surfaced/7.4 underwater
Operation Diving Depth: 95 Meters
Sensor: QCD Sonar
Armament:

2 x 6-inch/53-caliber deck guns (2x1)
2 x 7.62mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
4 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 8 spare torpedoes)
60 Naval Mines

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Fate
V4 (SF-7), USS Argonaut (SM-1) - March 1931, (SS-166) - July 1931, (APS-1) - September 1942.	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	May 1923	November 10, 1925	April 1926	Converted in a Commando Submarine, September 1942. Sunk by Japanese destroyers in the Central Pacific, January 10, 1943.

V5/Nautilus class Fleet Submarine (1928)

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,987 normal surfaced/3,960 underwater
Propulsion: 2x Fairbank-Morse diesel engines, 2x Fairbank-Morse diesel generators, and 2x electric motors
Range: 18,000 nautical miles surfaced/50 underwater
Speed: 17.4 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Operation Diving Depth: 100 Meters
Sensor: QCD Sonar
Armament:

2 x 6-inch/53-caliber deck guns (2x1)
2 x 7.62mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 12 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
V5 (SC-1), USS Nautilus (SS-167) - 1931	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	May 1925	December 17, 1927	March 1928	May 1944	Sold for scrap, September 1944
V6 (SC-2) USS Narwhal (SS-168) - 1931	Mare Island Naval Yard, Vajello, California	May 1925	March 15, 1928	July 1928	July 1944	Sold for scrap, September 1944

Matt Wiser · Sep 25, 2022

Argonaut's fate just as it was in RL....Still on patrol.

rob2001 · Sep 26, 2022

Wasn't Bonita, the name of a Confederate submarine that was misidentified as the Bonefish and sunk by the destroyer Ericsson during the First Great War?

Bbone91 · Sep 26, 2022

rob2001 said:
Wasn't Bonita, the name of a Confederate submarine that was misidentified as the Bonefish and sunk by the destroyer Ericsson during the First Great War?

Thought it was the Bonito.

Wardude101thesecond · Sep 29, 2022

Post war I think I can see the PASGT or it's equal ITTL coming out earlier since it's resmeblence to the Stalhelm wont cause as much of an issue

CASSICTOR2 · Sep 29, 2022

Wardude101thesecond said:
Post war I think I can see the PASGT or it's equal ITTL coming out earlier since it's resmeblence to the Stalhelm wont cause as much of an issue

Honestly yeah Stahlhelm will just replace the M1 helmet as the World standard helmet in TL191

SgtJoe98 · Sep 29, 2022

Since the OTL WW2 had night fighter planes, what night fighter planes would the Union have?

Matt Wiser · Sep 29, 2022

They'd probably go with the P-61 eventually, Though as an interim? With no Beaufighters, it's probably the P-70 version of the A-20...

S. Marlowski · Sep 29, 2022

Matt Wiser said:
They'd probably go with the P-61 eventually, Though as an interim? With no Beaufighters, it's probably the P-70 version of the A-20...

I was thinking of that as well, plus if they really wanted, they could've some of their P-38s in the role. Though I wonder what sort of radar would've used.

Matt Wiser · Sep 30, 2022

The P-38M Night Lightning had APS-4 Radar,but few were made due to the P-61 being available. Not to mention the very cramped RO compartment behind the pilot...

S. Marlowski · Sep 30, 2022

speaking of radars, I am suspecting that the Union Radar systems would be less advanced than the American sets IOTL due to the fact the British shared their technology. Here, the British would just share their radar tech with the Confederates, and therefore, both the CSA and Britain would have more advanced sets.

cortz#9 · Sep 30, 2022

S. Marlowski said:
speaking of radars, I am suspecting that the Union Radar systems would be less advanced than the American sets IOTL due to the fact the British shared their technology. Here, the British would just share their radar tech with the Confederates, and therefore, both the CSA and Britain would have more advanced sets.

True about Britain sharing with the CS but Germany's radar tech would most likely be better than what they had IOTL and they probably shared with the Union so the tech on both sides might be about even more or less IMO.

Matt Wiser · Sep 30, 2022

There's also the possibility of reverse-engineering radar sets found in crashed Confederate aircraft, which would be copies of British sets, so keep that in mind.

Pangur · Sep 30, 2022

S. Marlowski said:
speaking of radars, I am suspecting that the Union Radar systems would be less advanced than the American sets IOTL due to the fact the British shared their technology. Here, the British would just share their radar tech with the Confederates, and therefore, both the CSA and Britain would have more advanced sets.

ITL Germany had an initial edge on the UK that was lost

RamscoopRaider · Sep 30, 2022

S. Marlowski said:
speaking of radars, I am suspecting that the Union Radar systems would be less advanced than the American sets IOTL due to the fact the British shared their technology. Here, the British would just share their radar tech with the Confederates, and therefore, both the CSA and Britain would have more advanced sets.

The butterflies are early and big enough that we can't say who would have the better radar set. The earliest thing that could be called radar dates to 1906 in Denmark and Germany had an R&D program for it in WWI. It is just as likely that by winning the war the Germans continue to do R&D on Radar and amass a giant lead on the British that is shared with the US, we simply cannot know

CASSICTOR2 · Oct 8, 2022

Would the Union Soldiers station to Utah will act like the Black and Tans who terrorize the Mormon civilian and burning down towns who supported the insurgents?

Would they have a nickname for the Union Soldiers in Utah like the Black and Tans did?
Would they have the same reaction to the Outcry in the US like the British did with the black and tans?
How will affect the Mormons community after the Union Soldiers did?

Or just basically this in Utah

Sierra · Oct 8, 2022

CASSICTOR2 said:
Would the Union Soldiers station to Utah will act like the Black and Tans who terrorize the Mormon civilian and burning down towns who supported the insurgents?

Would they have a nickname for the Union Soldiers in Utah like the Black and Tans did?
Would they have the same reaction to the Outcry in the US like the British did with the black and tans?
How will affect the Mormons community after the Union Soldiers did?

Or just basically this in Utah

The Mormon word for non-Mormons, "Gentiles" would probably be name enoug for their purposes.

CASSICTOR2 · Nov 29, 2022

Definitely going to be Entente propaganda campaign with the Americans crucifying Canadian and Rebs soldiers in FGW wouldn't it

S. Marlowski · Feb 14, 2023

More USN Submarines

Fleet Submarine USS Dolphin (1932)

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 1,688 normal surfaced/2,215 underwater
Propulsion: 2x MAN diesel engines, 2x MAN diesel generators, and 2x electric motors
Range: 6,000 nautical miles surfaced/50 underwater
Speed: 17 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Operational Diving Depth: 75 Meters
Sensor: QC and JK Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber Mark 17 deck gun
2 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 18 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
USS Dolphin (SS-169), ex-V7	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	June 14, 1930	March 8, 1932	July 1, 1932	September 2, 1944	Training Submarine, August 1942. Sold for scrap, October 1944.

Cachalot class Fleet Submarine (1933-1934)

Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 1,120 normal surfaced/1,650 underwater
Propulsion: 2x MAN diesel engines and 2x electric motors
Range: 9,000 nautical miles surfaced/50 underwater
Speed: 17 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Operational Diving Depth: 75 Meters
Sensor: QC and JG Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber Mark 17 deck gun
3 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (3x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 16 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
USS Cachalot (SS-170)	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	October 21, 1931	October 19, 1933	December 1, 1933	November 1944	Scrapped in 1947.
USS Cuttlefish (SS-171)	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	October 7, 1931	November 21, 1933	June 8, 1934	September 1944	Scrapped in 1947.

Porpoise class Submarine (1935)

Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1,316 normal surfaced/1,934 underwater
Propulsion: 4x Winton diesel generators and 2x electric motors
Range: 10,000 nautical miles surfaced/42 underwater
Speed: 19 knots surfaced/10 underwater
Operational Diving Depth: 75 Meters
Sensor: QC and JK Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber Mark 17 deck gun
2 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 16 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Building	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
USS Porpoise (SS-172)	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	October 27, 1933	June 20, 1935	August 15, 1935	October 15, 1944	Naval Reserve TS, November 1944. Sold for scrap in 1957.
USS Pike (SS-173)	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	December 20, 1933	September 12, 1935	December 2, 1935	October 15, 1944	Naval Reserve TS, November 1944. Sold for scrap in 1957.

Shark class Submarine (1936)

Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1,350 normal surfaced/1,968 underwater
Propulsion: 4x Winton diesel generators and 2x electric motors
Range: 10,000 nautical miles surfaced/42 underwater
Speed: 19.5 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Operational Diving Depth: 75 Meters
Sensor: QC and JK Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber Mark 17 deck gun
2 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 16 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Lost
USS Shark (SS-174)	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	October 24, 1933	May 21, 1935	January 25, 1936	Lost February 11, 1942, likely to gunfire by the destroyer Kamikaze.
USS Tarpon (SS-175)	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	December 22, 1933	September 4, 1935	March 12, 1936	Sunk by British destroyers near the Falkland Islands, August 2, 1943.

Perch class Submarines (1936-1937)

Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1,330 normal surfaced/1,997 underwater
Propulsion: 4x Winton diesel generators and 2x electric motors
Range: 10,000 nautical miles surfaced/42 underwater
Speed: 19.25 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Operational Diving Depth: 75 Meters
Sensor: QC and JK Sonar
Armament:

1 x 76mm/50-caliber Mark 17 deck gun
2 x 12.7mm M1921 AA machine-guns (2x1)
6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 16 spare torpedoes)

Ship	Builder	Laid Down	Launched	Commissioned	Decommissioned	Fate
USS Perch (SS-176)	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	February 25, 1935	May 9, 1936	November 19, 1936		Sunk by Confederate bombers at Nassau, June 22, 1941.
USS Pickerel (SS-177)	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	March 25, 1935	July 7, 1936	January 26, 1937		Interned at Maracaibo, Venezuela, July 1941. Escaped, August 1941. Sunk by British aircraft near Iceland, April 1943.
USS Permit (SS-178), ex Pinna	Electric Boat Company, Groton Connecticut.	June 6, 1935	October 5, 1936	March 17, 1937		Probably lost to enemy action in the Bay of Biscay, May 1943.
USS Plunger (SS-179)	Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, Kittery Maine.	July 17, 1935	July 8, 1936	November 19, 1936	October 15, 1944	Naval Reserve TS, November 1944. Sold for scrap in 1956.
USS Pollack (SS-180)	Mare Island Naval Yard, Vajello, California	October 1, 1935	September 15, 1936	January 15, 1937	October 15, 1944	Scrapped in 1946.
USS Pompano (SS-181)	Mare Island Naval Yard, Vajello, California	January 14, 1936	March 11, 1937	June 12, 1937		Probably lost to enemy action near Truk Atoll, August or September 1942.

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I have based USS Pickerel's ordeal in Venezuela and it's escape loosely off of that of OTL's ORP Orzel