TL-191: Yankee Joe - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the U.S. Armed Forces

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  1. Marc Pasquin 43 % pure, 57 % recycled sins

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    if its a drum magazine, it would be awkward to reach around it to fire the gun.
     
  2. Marc Pasquin 43 % pure, 57 % recycled sins

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    just to be clear to avoid a misunderstanding, this is photoshoped, they were never used by the US OTL and the badge is fictitious.
     
  3. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    It wasn't a serious proposal, just an old drawing I had lying around.
     
  4. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    Very nice! Though that one piece on the barrel kind of looks like a radio antenna (no idea what it is).
     
  5. Marc Pasquin 43 % pure, 57 % recycled sins

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    no worries. I like the way it look, just thought you might want to tweak the position of the magazine in some way or change its design.
     
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  6. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    I could honestly see this being one of the Union first forays into semi automatic rifles during the First Great War. Having scene limited action in the trenches before being brushed off as to expensive and prone to jamming. Until seeing new life amongst the Union paratroopers and Marines during the Second Great War.
     
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  7. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    There were several similar comments on the other thread where I originally posted it, I suppose an alternate drum magazine could be designed for the bull-pup design.

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    I've moved the feed section of the drum a bit to the left, drum will protrude to the right and away from the shooter's rib cage.
     
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  8. Marc Pasquin 43 % pure, 57 % recycled sins

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    I guess as long as the end of the drum is a little bit behind the elbow, it wouldn't be something to worry about.
     
  9. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I think the shooter's would be just a little behind the drum and the forearm would rest on the drum, I can't say if that would be uncomfortable for the shooter or not.
     
  10. Marc Pasquin 43 % pure, 57 % recycled sins

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    I wonder if it could work if it on top on the outside right.

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  11. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Looks like it could but it might throw off the balance when in the firing position.
     
  12. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Wait a minute guys... isn't this basically the design of the American-180 .22LR submachine-gun?

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    Its almost identical to the Thompson in design really. Just imagine a Tommy Gun with a Lewis Gun-style or DP-style top mounted drum magazine. Its not a bull-pup, but its certainly different. Perhaps a design could be made to fire .45 ACP?
     
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    could work though the idea we were discussing was mainly "how do you make a bullpup with a drum magazine that doesn't prevent you from reaching the trigger ?"
     
  14. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    A fairly interesting alternative Thompson can be pulled from it though I think! That way the top mounted vertical drum magazine won't hold as awkward. And there is also, of course, the opinion of using a standard box magazine for a bull-pup design.

    Actually, if you're still interested in a top-mounted style set up for an alternative Thompson, the Owen Gun from Australia might interest you guys.

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    ^^^ --- it would have a side mounted sight and would be able to accommodate a pistol grip for steady firing, able to be fired from the hip. No I'm not saying the the Americans in TL-191 would copy the Australian who made the gun - just saying a design like this could be made independently.
     
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  15. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    This is from Bioshock Infinite, isn't it? A copy of the M1 Carbine?
     
  16. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    I found this pic of a modern day bullpup rifle with a drum mag, it doesn't look very practical.

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    It may not even be real, might be something someone thru together with some airsoft guns. Hell I thought it was a Nerf gun at first.
     
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  17. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Hah. Looks like a cross between the receiver of an AK, the grips from a PP-2000, and a rail system of unknown make. Custom made for sure, might just be a gas-operated airsoft gun.

    Well, there is always the good old fashion stick magazine. Probably the best bet either way. I still stand by my concept of an alternate Thompson that can possibly utilize a top mounted stick magazine, like the Owen Gun. That is, if you really want to get another alternate design in.
     
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  19. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Nicely done! It even looks like it could be lighter with this look, but I'm not so sure. How would you even reduce the Thompson's weight? Either way its not bad at all. I'm assume the sights are set just to the left on the receiver there. If some where to put a strap on this thing it could even be fired at the hip perhaps more easily, plus with an added pistol grip you might even have a steady firing gun.

    Overall, I quite like this!
     
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    The barrel is about three inches shorter so that shaved off maybe an half an ounce but weight would be about the same but it would be shorter and handier in urban and jungle warfare and would be easier to fire from a prone position and yeah the sights are offset to the left.
    A pistol grip could be an improvement and maybe a slide-in wire stock would make it lighter.

    stay tuned for another variant.