TL-191 United States Presidential Election 1920

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Turquoise Blue

Turquoise Blue

OK... The war is over, the Confederates has been humiliated, Theodore Roosevelt has won two terms. But its not enough for him, as he aims for a third...

He runs on using taxpayers' money to keep the South down. This will mean Featherston in 1927 and an earlier, more brutal war as well as economic malaise.

If you vote for his opponent, the Socialist Upton Sinclair, you will get an economic boom and a new Socialist dawn as well as fair treatment for the CSA and Mormons.

Which one? Keeping the South down, or moving on from Remembrance and enjoying economic prosperity?

Oh, and there's the Republican, Robert McCormick. He runs on peace, like every other Republican since the Great War. I dunno what will happen if he wins.

Their running mates are Walter McKenna, Hosea Blackford and Jack Hounsome.
 
Abhakhazia

Abhakhazia

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Yeah, no Sinclair. Ick.

If Jake Featherston happens in '21, Teddy would just go down there and lick 'em, so I'm not worried
 

bguy

Donor
Turquoise Blue said:
He runs on using taxpayers' money to keep the South down. This will mean Featherston in 1927 and an earlier, more brutal war as well as economic malaise.
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How exactly will an earlier war be more brutal? The USA will be much stronger since TR won't cut the miltiary like the Socialists did, and the CSA will be much weaker since TR will keep making them pay reparations and won't let them have Kentucky or Houston back. TR will also likely insure that the Republicans win the Mexican Civil War, so the Confederates won't have Mexico for an ally either. A stronger USA and a weaker CSA means the US very quickly wins any war.
 
Abhakhazia

Abhakhazia

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bguy said:
How exactly will an earlier war be more brutal? The USA will be much stronger since TR won't cut the miltiary like the Socialists did, and the CSA will be much weaker since TR will keep making them pay reparations and won't let them have Kentucky or Houston back. TR will also likely insure that the Republicans win the Mexican Civil War, so the Confederates won't have Mexico for an ally either. A stronger USA and a weaker CSA means the US very quickly wins any war.
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And also an earlier win by Jake Featherston, when he was less bitter from his two losses, probably would be better.
 
Turquoise Blue

Turquoise Blue

bguy said:
How exactly will an earlier war be more brutal? The USA will be much stronger since TR won't cut the miltiary like the Socialists did, and the CSA will be much weaker since TR will keep making them pay reparations and won't let them have Kentucky or Houston back. TR will also likely insure that the Republicans win the Mexican Civil War, so the Confederates won't have Mexico for an ally either. A stronger USA and a weaker CSA means the US very quickly wins any war.
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Economic malaise will damage the USA economy, since they have been just through a major war. They can't afford to keep down both the South and Canada. Reparations will not help. The USA is overextending itself as it is, keeping down Canada. In the books, the Republic of Quebec was needed to keep down Canada while the war with the CSA went on. The USA needs peace and prosperity. Roosevelt will not give that, Sinclair will.
 
Abhakhazia

Abhakhazia

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Turquoise Blue said:
Economic malaise will damage the USA economy, since they have been just through a major war. They can't afford to keep down both the South and Canada. Reparations will not help. The USA is overextending itself as it is, keeping down Canada. In the books, the Republic of Quebec was needed to keep down Canada while the war with the CSA went on. The USA needs peace and prosperity. Roosevelt will not give that, Sinclair will.
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Sinclair cut the war budget, closed down the Barrel Works and basically allowed Dowling's Army of the Ohio to be smashed into Pennsylvania. The War would be less bloody, if the US has at least four more years on the CS.

And, besides, who was President before and could of stopped the crash by regulating the market? Sinclair.
 
Turquoise Blue

Turquoise Blue

Abhakhazia said:
Sinclair cut the war budget, closed down the Barrel Works and basically allowed Dowling's Army of the Ohio to be smashed into Pennsylvania. The War would be less bloody, if the US has at least four more years on the CS.
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The war budget at the end of the FGW was guaranteed to be terrible. Sinclair was probably trying to cut down on costs and making peace, so to move on from the war.

And yeah, Sinclair. Guess why you're voting Democratic? Because of the anti-Socialist badass (both in ATL and OTL) Theodore Roosevelt.
 
Abhakhazia

Abhakhazia

Banned
Turquoise Blue said:
The war budget at the end of the FGW was guaranteed to be terrible. Sinclair was probably trying to cut down on costs and making peace, so to move on from the war.

And yeah, Sinclair. Guess why you're voting Democratic? Because of the anti-Socialist badass (both in ATL and OTL) Theodore Roosevelt.
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No, I'm voting Democratic to prepare the United States against a sure upcoming war against the Confederate States, and a possiblity to kick them while they're down, the possiblity of Mexico as a US ally, and maybe even the abortion of the Freedom Party. THAT's why I'm voting for Teddy, not some overused internet cliché.
 
Turquoise Blue

Turquoise Blue

Abhakhazia said:
No, I'm voting Democratic to prepare the United States against a sure upcoming war against the Confederate States, and a possiblity to kick them while they're down, the possiblity of Mexico as a US ally, and maybe even the abortion of the Freedom Party. THAT's why I'm voting for Teddy, not some overused internet cliché.
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Well, what will happen to the South? Much more unhappiness, as they're crushed yet again and Featherston, or someone like him, will rise.
 
Komodo

Komodo

Turquoise Blue said:
Well, what will happen to the South? Much more unhappiness, as they're crushed yet again and Featherston, or someone like him, will rise.
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Even treating them nicely in OTL (OOC: Tl-191) under the Socialists still led to Featherston and the Destruction. Roosevelt can hardly make things worse and may even improve things. Also, the Socialists controlled the White House for 12 straight years from 1921 to 1933 - and what do they show for it? The worst economic disaster in American history.

Also, I am not sure about the theory that being harsh on the CSA automatically assumes that Featherston or another dictator will be even more empowered. After all, if Featherston hadn't been appeased back in the '30's, would he still have had the popular support to continue any of his other policies? His entire forward momentum, which culminated in the Second Great War, was driven by the US caving in. Stop him cold in the early '30's and perhaps the Confederates will see that he can't do all that he promised.
 
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bguy

Donor
Turquoise Blue said:
Economic malaise will damage the USA economy, since they have been just through a major war. They can't afford to keep down both the South and Canada. Reparations will not help. The USA is overextending itself as it is, keeping down Canada. In the books, the Republic of Quebec was needed to keep down Canada while the war with the CSA went on. The USA needs peace and prosperity. Roosevelt will not give that, Sinclair will.
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Sinclair didn't release any of the territory that was captured in the FGW, so the US will still be occupying the exact same territory under his administration that it would be under TR. And Canada is a lot less likely to rise up with TR in the Powell House (both because the US military will be stronger and because the Canadians will be a lot more fearful of TR than they were of Sinclair), so the US hopefully won't have to deal with a Canadian rebellion.

Also, TR with a third term might go ahead and pursue a Central American canal. (Especially if the Republicans take power in Mexico since that will mean the US will have allies on both sides of the Carribean.) A Central American canal will take a while to build, but once it is complete it will do a lot more for the economy then anything Sinclair is likely to accomplish. (Especially since most of Sinclair's domestic agenda will just get fillibustered to death anyway.)
 
pieman97405

pieman97405

Turquoise Blue said:
Last bump! Vote for Upton Sinclair and peace!
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Like hell I will. The Confederacy should never have had the chance to rise again. A vote for TR will cause enough butterflies that we may only have a Huey Long dictatorship down there, and his economic policies would have the CSA begging for annexation by 1950.
 

CT23

People need to think long-term. The Freedom Party has overtly stated they want another shot at us and so have many conservative Whigs.

Keeping Roosevelt and our stronger military will keep this from happening.
 
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