TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.
- Thread starter pattontank12
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Yeah. There’s always a lot of cross-over with the armies in China. Besides whatever the Japanese can give them, these armies would also use anything their enemies have. So you get a lot of variety.
We would also be looking at a variety of locally produced guns and a equipment of varying quality, and just a ton of foreign supplied guns. I’d imagine that the collaborationist armies would seek to have some kind of uniformity, but considering the state of China in this era that would only be reserved to the few units the Japanese trust.
Some ships that I just thought up of and added.
Ludendorff class Heavy Cruiser (1927)
Specifications (following 1938 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 6x Marine boilers, 2x MAN 4-stroke double action diesel engines
Range: 6,400 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel He 60 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Armor:
Lettow-Vorbeck class Heavy Cruiser (1932-1934)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 13,920 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 4x Wagner Boilers
Range: 8,900 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: FuMO 22 fire control radar
Armor:
Pfalz class Battleship (1931-1933)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 54,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x geared steam turbines, 9x Wagner boilers
Range: 8,870 nautical miles
Speed: 29 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Armor:
Ludendorff class Heavy Cruiser (1927)
Specifications (following 1938 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 6x Marine boilers, 2x MAN 4-stroke double action diesel engines
Range: 6,400 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel He 60 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Armor:
- Belt: 65mm
- Bulkheads: 70mm
- Main Deck: 40mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 15mm
- Turrets: 130mm
- Barbettes: 80mm
- Conning Tower: 100mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 6 x 88mm DP guns (3x2)
- 8 x 20mm AA guns
- 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SMS Ludendorff | Howaldtswerke, Kiel | December 5, 1922 | May 16, 1925 | January 2, 1927 | June 5, 1939 | Sold to the Ottoman Empire (Kalid Bahir), August 1939. |
| SMS Falkenhayn | Blohm & Voss, Hamburg | December 28. 1922 | July 2, 1925 | March 10, 1927/January 20, 1941 | June 10, 1939/February 16, 1946. | Training ship, May 1944. Scrapped in Konigsberg, 1947. |
Lettow-Vorbeck class Heavy Cruiser (1932-1934)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 13,920 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 4x Wagner Boilers
Range: 8,900 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: FuMO 22 fire control radar
Armor:
- Belt: 100mm
- Bulkheads: 60mm
- Main Deck: 70mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 40mm
- Turrets: 150mm
- Barbettes: 80mm
- Conning Tower: 150mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 8 x 105mm DP guns (4x2)
- 8 x 37mm AA guns (4x2)
- 8 x 20mm AA guns
- 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SMS Lettow-Vorbeck | Kaiserliche-Werft Kiel | February 5, 1929 | May 19, 1931 | April 1, 1933 | April 1947 | Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955. |
| SMS Woyrsch | Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven | June 25, 1931 | April 1, 1933 | November 12, 1934 | Sunk by British Warships in the North Atlantic, February 1943. | |
| SMS Prinz Eitel Friedrich | Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven | October 1, 1930 | June 30, 1932 | January 6, 1934 | Spring 1947 | Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955. |
Pfalz class Battleship (1931-1933)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 54,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x geared steam turbines, 9x Wagner boilers
Range: 8,870 nautical miles
Speed: 29 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Armor:
- Belt: 320mm
- Conning Tower: 355mm
- Main Turrets: 360mm
- Barbettes: 340mm
- Secondary Turrets 100mm
- Main Deck: 120mm
- Slopes: 100mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 45mm
- 8 x 16 in guns (4x2)
- 12 x 6 in guns (4x2) and (4x1)
- 12 x 105mm DP guns (6x2)
- 16 x 37mm AA guns (8x2)
- 10 x 20mm AA guns
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SMS Pfalz | Schichau-Werke, Danzig | July 1, 1927 | February 26, 1930 | August 24, 1931 | Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942. | |
| SMS Tannenberg | Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven | October 20, 1927 | April 6, 1930 | February 16, 1932 | May 1947 | Scrapped in Danzig, 1962-1964. |
| SMS Pommern | Blohm & Voss, Hamburg | March 9, 1928 | October 12. 1931 | January 3, 1931 | July 1947 | Broken up in Bremen, 1963-1966. |
| Ersatz Posen | Howaldtswerke, Kiel | May 30, 1928 | Order cancelled, October 1928. Broken up on slipway 1929. |
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It amazes me that Germany would be considered a Secondary Combatant, it would rival the United States but then again the USA and CSA have always been the stars of TL-191.Some ships that I just thought up of and added.
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Ludendorff class Heavy Cruiser (1927)
Specifications (following 1938 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 6x Marine boilers, 2x MAN 4-stroke double action diesel engines
Range: 6,400 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel He 60 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Armor:
Armament:
- Belt: 65mm
- Bulkheads: 70mm
- Main Deck: 40mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 15mm
- Turrets: 130mm
- Barbettes: 80mm
- Conning Tower: 100mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 6 x 88mm DP guns (3x2)
- 8 x 20mm AA guns
- 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
SMS Ludendorff Howaldtswerke, Kiel December 5, 1922 May 16, 1925 January 2, 1927 June 5, 1939 Sold to the Ottoman Empire (Kalid Bahir), August 1939. SMS Falkenhayn Blohm & Voss, Hamburg December 28. 1922 July 2, 1925 March 10, 1927/January 20, 1941 June 10, 1939/February 16, 1946. Training ship, May 1944. Scrapped in Konigsberg, 1947.
Lettow-Vorbeck class Heavy Cruiser (1932-1934)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 13,920 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x Blohm und Voss steam turbines, 4x Wagner Boilers
Range: 8,900 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: FuMO 22 fire control radar
Armor:
Armament:
- Belt: 100mm
- Bulkheads: 60mm
- Main Deck: 70mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 40mm
- Turrets: 150mm
- Barbettes: 80mm
- Conning Tower: 150mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 8 x 105mm DP guns (4x2)
- 8 x 37mm AA guns (4x2)
- 8 x 20mm AA guns
- 6 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x3)
SMS Lettow-Vorbeck Kaiserliche-Werft Kiel February 5, 1929 May 19, 1931 April 1, 1933 April 1947 Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955. SMS Woyrsch Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven June 25, 1931 April 1, 1933 November 12, 1934 Sunk by British Warships in the North Atlantic, February 1943. SMS Prinz Eitel Friedrich Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven October 1, 1930 June 30, 1932 January 6, 1934 Spring 1947 Broken up in Konigsberg, 1955.
View attachment 683998
Pfalz class Battleship (1931-1933)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 50,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 3x geared steam turbines, 9x Wagner boilers
Range: 8,870 nautical miles
Speed: 29 knots
Aviation Capacity: 4 Heinkel Ar-196 Floatplanes, 2 catapults
Armor:
Armament:
- Belt: 320mm
- Conning Tower: 355mm
- Main Turrets: 360mm
- Barbettes: 340mm
- Secondary Turrets 100mm
- Main Deck: 120mm
- Slopes: 100mm
- Torpedo Bulkhead: 45mm
- 8 x 16 in guns (4x2)
- 12 x 6 in guns (4x2) and (4x1)
- 12 x 105mm DP guns (6x2)
- 16 x 37mm AA guns (8x2)
- 10 x 20mm AA guns
SMS Pfalz Schichau-Werke, Danzig July 1, 1927 February 26, 1930 August 24, 1931 Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942. SMS Tannenburg Kaiserliche Werft, Wilhelmshaven October 20, 1927 April 6, 1930 February 16, 1932 May 1957 Scrapped in Danzig, 1962-1964. SMS Pommern Blohm & Voss, Hamburg March 9, 1928 October 12. 1931 January 3, 1931 July 1958 Broken up in Bremen, 1963-1966.
I've always thought a second series of TL-191 books set in Europe would be interesting.
Wounded Confederate POW's are led past a knocked-out "Barrel Buster" outside Atlanta as US troops examine the vehicle, 1944.
Deleted member 2186
Now that is a nice sounding name, "Barrel Buster".
Wounded Confederate POW's are led past a knocked-out "Barrel Buster" outside Atlanta as US troops examine the vehicle, 1944.
Standard name to describe that type of tank in this universe too, at least in North America. The Confederates and the Yankees make occasional comments on how the British like to use the word "Tank" for their armored vehicles and how it "doesn't sound right".
Did you or I coin the name Barrel Buster or did someone else here come up with it? I don’t remember myself and I don’t think it was used in the books.
Would've been funny if the Confederates called them "Casks." Then they could've called a tank kill a "Shot" lel.
Oh OK, I thought it was coined here.
Got to read that series again.
Well, I have made a LaGG-3-35 fighter bomber of the Canadian Liberation Army Air Corps, which served with the Russians on the Alaskan Front against the US Army and US Air Force.
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And something like a Haiti, Netherlands and Norway (not only aircraft, but also tanks) - but it's not something I want to know RIGHT now
Pangur
Donor
Now here is an idea that could be advanced quite a bit. Wondering about a Free Utah/Moron state squadron
They would either be serving in the CSAF or operating within Utah with captured Yankee aircraft.
Will you do a cold war-era barrel of France or the United Kingdom? Or they will use their OTL counterparts?
Maybe in the future, but I am working on my own TL-191 related post at the moment.