TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.

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  1. Undeadmuffin Muffin want to liiiive !

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    So Berthier rifle and MAS 36 for the Mexicans if they cant make the Mondragon rifle ?
     
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  2. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Yeah I would think so.
    I posted an alternate improved Mondragon on page 1 of this thread, did you see it?
     
  3. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Could be their standard rifles here actually. In our time I believe the Mexican Army used their own copies of the German Mauser chamber to their round. Perhaps here the Mexican Army will be using French copies of the Berthier or more advanced MAS-36. If not that, then Lee Enfields.
     
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    That makes sense, I would think the MAS would be used by Mexico as their standard rifle and maybe the Mondragon-II for specialist troops, marines, armoured infantry?
     
  5. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    Someone mentioned the Liechttraktor earlier, not sure if it was on this thread or one of the others (its starting to get a little confusing :biggrin:). So I started thinking what if the Germans introduced the liechttraktor in the 1920's instead of 1930 (OTL), the US builds several dozens but soon replaces them with a superior design and uses the liechttraktors for training and then sells the surplus barrels to Quebec.

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  6. FanOfHistory Banned

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    This is OTL Argentina Army uniforms from 1938.

    According to Wikipedia, "The main foreign influence during this period was, by and large, the Prussian (and then German) doctrine. Partly because of that, during both World Wars most of the officers supported the Germans, more or less openly, while the Argentine Navy favored the British instead."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Army

    After being in the losing side of GW1, I think the Argentine Army would take prominence over the Navy, like a reverse OTL Japan, and the army would modernize and make like the Prussian model, like Chile.
     
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    Honestly, its weird that we get no description of German and Austro-Hungarian barrels. In some ways, that's good since the fans can hypothesize what they look like, but in some ways it's bad since there's no concrete description on how they look.
     
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  8. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    US light barrel Mk. 2 "Adams" (improved US liechttraktor), named after John Quincy Adams.

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    This TL's M5 Stuart tank. I picture this barrel being sold or even given to the Union's allies in the Second Great War.
     
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  9. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    The "Turtle" helmet: Following the British Empire's defeat in the First Great War the Empire soon find itself in crisis attempting to hold down the remainder of her Empire, throughout the twenties and thirties. This new era of colonial wars, coupled with the experience bitterly gained from the First Great War would provide the basis for the restructuring and rebuilding of the Army during the Mosley Era. With the old tin hat being amongst the first to go during the modernization of the military, replaced by the more sensible "Turtle" helmet, serving with distinction not just by the Home Islands but also the Dominion's of South Africa, Australia and Honduras.
     
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  10. cortz#9 Obrltnt of Kampfgruppe Seelöw

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    That actually reminds me of the turtle helmets worn the old Flintstones cartoon.
     
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  14. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Would be a metaphorical slap to the face for the United States. First the Confederates make an assault rifle, now the Mexicans have a quick firing semi-auto! And they'd be stuck with the capable, proven, and aging Springfield 1903. Inconceivable!
     
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    Lol!
     
  17. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    How likely could it be that Russia experienced yet another Community Revolution posr SGW, this time successful?
     
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  18. KACKO Well-Known Member

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    Well here is one Austro-Hungarian barrel from Czech CKD company.

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    LP-38 (Leichte Panzer) Reconnaissance Platoon of 71st Infantry Regiment, KuK, Eastern Front, Ukraine, 1942. Note Slovak double cross on turret. 71st regiment men pool was from area of western Slovakia, town Trencsen.


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    Here is Barreljager-41 based on LP-38 from Husaren-Regiment Nr.15, KuK based in Kassa. This regiment was filled with Slovak men from Eastern Slovakia, mostly from Zemplen county. Unfortunately Slovak shield on right side is not visible on this pucture.


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    And here is self propelled artillery piece based again on LP-38, armed with 15 cm gun. This vehicle belonged to
    Feldkanonenregiment Nr. 18, KuK, based again in Kassa and again, majority of its men were Slovaks from Zemplen, Abauj-Torna and Soros counties. Picture was taken somewhere in Carpathians shortly after Russian aggression. However some veterans are saying this pucture was taken in Caucasus. Feldkanonenregiment Nr. 18 didn’t use any marking identifying itself as manned mostly by Slovaks.

    Most of heavy barrels used by KuK were licensed German barrels. However mist of their lighter vehicles, in luding AA vehicles snd APC were based on excellent LP-38!
     
  19. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    Oh interesting point to note. With the Austro-Hungarian Empire still around certain tanks in out timeline might belong to different countries. The Panzer 38t in our timeline would probably be an Austro-Hungarian design produced in Czechoslovakia, along with its other later iterations, although heavily changed up in TL-191. What I'm saying is that perhaps the 38t and its OTL interations might be under Austro-Hungarian control.

    This would probably include any tanks made by Hungary as well, such as the 38M Toldi, 40M Turan, and 43M Zrinyi.

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    ^^^ --- 43M

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    ^^^ --- 40M
     
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  20. KACKO Well-Known Member

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    That was my point. LP-38 was manufactured in A-H factory CKD. As ti Zrinyi, if I remember correctly it was developed, at least it’s chasis from Skoda T-21.
     
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