TL-191 Map Thread

Unlikely, but what would the CSA have took if they had won GW1?

Maybe Maryland and DC? They held much of MD throughout the war, and taking the de jure capital would really stick in the US's craw. They could pick up unoccupied MD by trading back land they held in PA.
 
I'd say the south will be lucky to get a status quo ante bellum peace. The US was advancing on every front except the one in Marryland and Pennsylvania.
 
Alright. Thanks, you're indispensable, you know that? Doing all that work...

Here's my best guesses for EVs for CS states in each presidential election. If anyone wants to hear my methodology, let me know.

EVs-1867-1873-1879-1885-1891-1897-1903-1909-1915-1921-1927-1933-1939
AL----11---11---11---11---11---13---15---15---16---16---17---18---18
AR-----6----7----7----8----8---10---11---11---12---11---12---12---12
CH-----x----x----x----3----3----4----4----4----5----5----5----5----5
CU-----x----x----x---14---14---14---14---14---16---16---21---24---24
FL-----4----4----4----4----4----5----6----6----7----7----8---11---11
GA----12---13---13---13---13---15---18---18---19---19---20---20---20
KY----14---16---16---16---16---16---17---17---17----x----x----x----x
LA-----8----8----8----9----9---10---12---12---12---12---13---15---15
MS-----9----9----9---10---10---11---13---13---13---13---13---14---14
NC----12---12---12---13---13---14---15---15---16---16---18---21---21
SE-----x----x----x----x----x----x----8----8---12----x----x----x----x
SO-----x----x----x----3----3----3----4----4----4----3----3----3----3
SC-----8----8----8----9----9---10---11---11---12---12---12---12---12
TN----13---15---15---15---15---15---16---16---16---16---17---18---18
TX-----8---10---10---15---15---18---23---23---27---25---29---33---33
VA----18---14---14---14---14---14---15---15---15---14---15---15---15
TOT--123--127--127--157--157--172--202--202--219--185--203--221--221
 
Here's my best guesses for EVs for CS states in each presidential election. If anyone wants to hear my methodology, let me know.
Alright...

Whig: 15+6+18+17+13+11+15+16+15= 126 EV
Radical Liberal: 11+4+14+12+8+4+23= 76 EV

126/202= 62%
76/202= 38%

So, even with Texas, the Rad Libs still lose.
 
Here's the map for 1909. I'm not going with 1903, nobody knows anything about that.

By the way, how old is Featherston when he dies?

CSA1909.png
 
After much tediousness and frustration and (un)educated guesswork, here's the world in the middle of the Second Great War, on May 30, 1942, the day of the mass bombing run by the US on Dallas-Fort Worth. Please give feedback on where I've gone wrong.

TL-191 1942-05-30.png

TL-191 1942-05-30.png
 
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Nerdlinger: northwestern germany from the dutch border to Hamburg should be' shown as occupied by the entente.
Finland should be' part of the russian empire, nor baltic countries.
Japan shouldnt own burma.
 
Nerdlinger: northwestern germany from the dutch border to Hamburg should be' shown as occupied by the entente.
Finland should be' part of the russian empire, nor baltic countries.
Japan shouldnt own burma.
No British colonies should be shown as part of Japan, and their holdings in China should be reduced.
Utah should also be in revolt.
 
Nerdlinger: northwestern germany from the dutch border to Hamburg should be' shown as occupied by the entente.
Finland should be' part of the russian empire, nor baltic countries.
Japan shouldnt own burma.

Did the books say the British and French had made it that far into Germany by mid-1942? If they had already occupied Hamburg, the city would have been completely trashed, so I don't see why the British would have picked it as the target for their first superbomb.

Whether or not Finland became independent from Russia after the First Great War is debatable, because Turtledove seems to contradicts himself on the matter. Lord Halifax tells Featherston that Finland was indeed given independence, but earlier it was mentioned that Finnish nationalists were rising up against the Russians. My assumption is that Finland was indeed granted independence but was occupied by Russia early in the SGW.

The Baltic states' not being independent was an oversight on my part, and has been fixed.

Do you know where Burma was mentioned in the books? Toward the end of the Second Great War, Japan broke off from its war with the US to go after British holdings in Asia. Only Singapore and Malaya were mentioned, so I assumed the Japanese had already taken Burma at some point.
 
No British colonies should be shown as part of Japan, and their holdings in China should be reduced.
Utah should also be in revolt.

Are you sure that the Japanese didn't take any British colonies in Asia? As I said above, only Singapore and Malaya were mentioned as targets for the Japanese in the SGW.

You mean the Japanese holding in China should be reduced? I didn't know how much of China the Japanese could have occupied by this point, so I just showed the eastern half of China as being nominally independent (green outline) but actually controlled by the Japanese (yellow fill).

I'm not sure if I want to depict revolts. I'd have to show the Mormons, the Canadians, and the Confederate blacks in revolt. Having all those little speckled dots looks messy to me.
 
After much tediousness and frustration and (un)educated guesswork, here's the world in the middle of the Second Great War, on May 30, 1942, the day of the mass bombing run by the US on Dallas-Fort Worth. Please give feedback on where I've gone wrong.

I would suggest a new color for confederate territories or occupied areas.
 
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