TL 191 HOI4 Mod Update and Discussion Thread

Alterwright

Alterwright

I’m looking forward to the update for this mod, and the expansion of the other countries, especially the ones in Asia and Europe.

It might have already been mentioned, but is Japan also getting a focus tree?
 
Alterwright

Alterwright

@Hexcron

This is what I have so far fleet composition for the Pacific around 1941. Sadly I do not have a comprehensive list of the whole US Fleet in 1941. I am still working on this list, but this is what I have so far.

I would highly recommend this site here if you want to get fleet sizes and orders of battle. They have an exhaustive list for several WW2 engagements for various years of the war - NavWeaps

Navypedia is also a good site if you want to get designs and classes of ships from almost every country in the world.

I can also recommend looking at several posts made by @S. Marlowski and others from several of the TL-191 threads about naval ships. I can link the relevant threads and posts later.

US Pacific Fleet - Circa 1941
  • 6x battleships
  • 1x carrier
  • 3x heavy cruisers
  • 4x light cruisers
  • 25x destroyers

Carrier Division: 1x
  • Remembrance (Remembrance Class)
Battleship Division 10: 2x
  • Ohio (Ohio Class)
  • Dakota (Ohio Class)
Battleship Division 14: 2x
  • Vermont (Vermont Class)
  • Michigan (Vermont Class)
Battleship Division 15: 2x
  • Colorado (Colorado Class)
  • West Virginia (Colorado Class)
Cruiser Division 13 (CA): 3x
  • Freemont (Minneapolis Class)
  • Spokane (Minneapolis Class)
  • Bellevue (Minneapolis Class)
Cruiser Division 16 (CL): 2x
  • Harrisburg (Detroit Class)
  • Yonkers (Detroit Class)
Cruiser Division 18 (CL): 2x
  • Cheyenne (Manhattan Class)
  • Scranton (Manhattan Class)
Destroyer Division 14: 4x
  • Townsend (Dewey Class)
  • Slater (Perry Class)
  • Kane (Perry Class)
  • Pyne (Eaton Class)
Destroyer Division 15: 4x
  • Richards (Bache Class)
  • Tripp (Bache Class)
  • Sellstrom (Dewey Class)
  • Rannahan (Dewey Class)
Destroyer Division 16: 4x
  • Garvin (Perry Class)
  • Mackie (Eaton Class)
  • Parker (Bache Class)
  • Harley (Bache Class)
Destroyer Division 18: 4x
  • Gile (Perry Class)
  • Seanor (Eaton Class)
  • Cronin (Bache Class)
  • Martin (Eaton Class)
Destroyer Division 20: 4x
  • Lakin (Perry Class)
  • Dempster (Bache Class)
  • Holton (Eaton Class)
  • Freeman (Bache Class)
Destroyer Division 21: 5x
  • Lawson (Dewey-Class)
  • Marsh (Dewey-Class)
  • Vantine (Bache-Class)
  • Greene (Bache-Class)
  • Ringold (Eaton-Class)
 

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Alterwright said:
@Hexcron

This is what I have so far fleet composition for the Pacific around 1941. Sadly I do not have a comprehensive list of the whole US Fleet in 1941. I am still working on this list, but this is what I have so far.

I would highly recommend this site here if you want to get fleet sizes and orders of battle. They have an exhaustive list for several WW2 engagements for various years of the war - NavWeaps

Navypedia is also a good site if you want to get designs and classes of ships from almost every country in the world.

I can also recommend looking at several posts made by @S. Marlowski and others from several of the TL-191 threads about naval ships. I can link the relevant threads and posts later.

US Pacific Fleet - Circa 1941
  • 6x battleships
  • 1x carrier
  • 3x heavy cruisers
  • 4x light cruisers
  • 25x destroyers

Carrier Division: 1x
  • Remembrance (Remembrance Class)
Battleship Division 10: 2x
  • Ohio (Ohio Class)
  • Dakota (Ohio Class)
Battleship Division 14: 2x
  • Vermont (Vermont Class)
  • Michigan (Vermont Class)
Battleship Division 15: 2x
  • Colorado (Colorado Class)
  • West Virginia (Colorado Class)
Cruiser Division 13 (CA): 3x
  • Freemont (Minneapolis Class)
  • Spokane (Minneapolis Class)
  • Bellevue (Minneapolis Class)
Cruiser Division 16 (CL): 2x
  • Harrisburg (Detroit Class)
  • Yonkers (Detroit Class)
Cruiser Division 18 (CL): 2x
  • Cheyenne (Manhattan Class)
  • Scranton (Manhattan Class)
Destroyer Division 14: 4x
  • Townsend (Dewey Class)
  • Slater (Perry Class)
  • Kane (Perry Class)
  • Pyne (Eaton Class)
Destroyer Division 15: 4x
  • Richards (Bache Class)
  • Tripp (Bache Class)
  • Sellstrom (Dewey Class)
  • Rannahan (Dewey Class)
Destroyer Division 16: 4x
  • Garvin (Perry Class)
  • Mackie (Eaton Class)
  • Parker (Bache Class)
  • Harley (Bache Class)
Destroyer Division 18: 4x
  • Gile (Perry Class)
  • Seanor (Eaton Class)
  • Cronin (Bache Class)
  • Martin (Eaton Class)
Destroyer Division 20: 4x
  • Lakin (Perry Class)
  • Dempster (Bache Class)
  • Holton (Eaton Class)
  • Freeman (Bache Class)
Destroyer Division 21: 5x
  • Lawson (Dewey-Class)
  • Marsh (Dewey-Class)
  • Vantine (Bache-Class)
  • Greene (Bache-Class)
  • Ringold (Eaton-Class)
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Thanks, keep me updated.
 

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John Reed's Tree
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While the CSA will not be receiving a whole lot of new content in 0.2, they will be getting some quality of life improvements and some slight adjustments to fit with the new ministers and ideologies, not to mention plenty of redone localisation.
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Tiro

Of all the excellent stuff in this thread (and, by extension, this Mod as a whole) my absolute favourite might be the fact you made the Socialist Party mascot a bear - a cunning sight gag if ever there were one, that could only be made better by the Democrats using the Bull Moose as their own totem - even though it has to compete with the notion of a Knight/Koenig civil war following an assassination of Featherston in AD 1936 (Quite possibly ending with JEB Stuart Junior deciding to clean house and very possibly winding up a CSA Cincinnatus in the process*), not least because my metric of measuring the success of an Alternate History is it's ability to breed Alternate Timelines in it's own right (Since the entire point of the genre is to make it clear that History doesn't just happen; History is made by human hands & human choices).

*One assumes that there would be some legal nicety before he was recognised as President of the Confederate States; not sure about the exact procedural details though.

I'm also quite charmed by the use of the owl (presumably 'the old grey owl') as totem of the Whig Party, opposite the Pelican of the Radical Liberals; may I please ask who came up with the notion and what the symbolic intent of those choices was? (I've done a bit of thinking on the topic of CS Party Animals - no, not that sort of Party Animal - and came up with the notion of Whigs = Fox, Rad-Libs = hound**).

**Since the Rad-Libs were always chasing and yet the Whigs kept scheming their way into the Grey House; An alternate possibility that occurred to me today was that the Whigs might use the bull as their particular totem (A nod to James Longstreet 'The Bull of the Woods' which also works because a bull's head can easily be styled into a 'W'); I still like the idea of the Rad-Libs using a dog as their symbol (Best friend of the working man, tireless in pursuit and sharp-nosed to boot ... also perhaps a little too prone to obedience "and often a mongrel" as one slander put it).

The Freedom Party should, of course, use the "Join or Die" rattlesnake ... or one very like it.
 

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Tiro said:
Of all the excellent stuff in this thread (and, by extension, this Mod as a whole) my absolute favourite might be the fact you made the Socialist Party mascot a bear - a cunning sight gag if ever there were one, that could only be made better by the Democrats using the Bull Moose as their own totem - even though it has to compete with the notion of a Knight/Koenig civil war following an assassination of Featherston in AD 1936 (Quite possibly ending with JEB Stuart Junior deciding to clean house and very possibly winding up a CSA Cincinnatus in the process*), not least because my metric of measuring the success of an Alternate History is it's ability to breed Alternate Timelines in it's own right (Since the entire point of the genre is to make it clear that History doesn't just happen; History is made by human hands & human choices).
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I'm afraid we've been moving back on the bear in favour of the Socialist Party's OTL logo, given we can't really justify it when the Democrats' Donkey is mentioned and it is not.

Knight and Koenig coming to blows is an idea I had long before I even joined SV; in 2018 (before the modern SV's creation) I very briefly attempted to make a TL-191 mod, and the paths I laid out for the Confederacy then are still broadly similar to the ones we have now.
Tiro said:
*One assumes that there would be some legal nicety before he was recognised as President of the Confederate States; not sure about the exact procedural details though.
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We'll be solving that by having him step down following the appointment of McKellar as pro-temp, placing him in line to be the next legitimate President.
Tiro said:
I'm also quite charmed by the use of the owl (presumably 'the old grey owl') as totem of the Whig Party, opposite the Pelican of the Radical Liberals; may I please ask who came up with the notion and what the symbolic intent of those choices was? (I've done a bit of thinking on the topic of CS Party Animals - no, not that sort of Party Animal - and came up with the notion of Whigs = Fox, Rad-Libs = hound**).

**Since the Rad-Libs were always chasing and yet the Whigs kept scheming their way into the Grey House; An alternate possibility that occurred to me today was that the Whigs might use the bull as their particular totem (A nod to James Longstreet 'The Bull of the Woods' which also works because a bull's head can easily be styled into a 'W'); I still like the idea of the Rad-Libs using a dog as their symbol (Best friend of the working man, tireless in pursuit and sharp-nosed to boot ... also perhaps a little too prone to obedience "and often a mongrel" as one slander put it).

The Freedom Party should, of course, use the "Join or Die" rattlesnake ... or one very like it.
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I feel less attached to assigning the parties animals than I used to, but I feel the Fox might be better than the Owl for the Whigs. I looked high and low for any sort of animal imagery the otl Whigs used, but came up short.

For the RedLibs, the Pelican came up as a suggestion years ago because of their strength in Louisiana, and I can't for the life of me tell you any symbolism beyond that. I might do well to simply give them a new logo entirely.

As for the Freedom Party, while a snake might be good, the Party Flag is unbeatable, and iconic.
 
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