TL 191 HOI4 Mod Update and Discussion Thread
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Germany is well in the works. We aren’t satisfied with the US so it is being reworked as well. It’s not one or the other, and stuff like this is hardly excessive nowadays.
Honestly? The USA works mostly OK as it is. I like the idea of a more involved election mechanic so that nominee Blackford isn't an autoloss, but adding military coups and major reworks when what really needs a rework is the CSA (to more accurately reflect what the CSA was) and Europe (so the Entente doesn't intervene in America while the Germans just kinda sit there) does seem a little superfluous.
The CSA content wise is far more up to date and close to how we want it than the US. It has mostly readable code, unlike the US. Even if you don’t agree with its portrayal (which we are satisfied with in terms of our goals of accuracy and fun) the CSA is simply mechanically better than the US. All majors are getting content, the US is simply what we have to tease at the moment.
Faeelin
Banned
I mean, it's just funny that stuff like "statehood for Canada" is crazy but "military coup", which is never mentioned in the books, is planend for.
The former is basically explicitly ruled out in the text. The latter isn’t mentioned, but there is room for it.
Faeelin
Banned
Yea, honestly that seems a way higher priority than "Macarthur's focus tree." The French AI leaves its borders undefended because its men die in Baltimore.
Faeelin
Banned
The possibility of statehood is definitely not ruled out in the text, Flora says she expects a large influx of Socialist voters from Canada. Which means a more successful Socialist administration might try it! Or she might!
"You see, it didn't happen in the text, so it can't happen. Macarthur's dictatorship, however..."
That's a choice you can make, but it's not internally consistent.
Pretty sure that’s before the massive uprising and war with Japan started over arms shipments. Canada in 1936 is not Canada in 1922. By 1936 it’s a bleeding ulcer that no one is giving representation any time soon.
Faeelin
Banned
Yes, it's after the war where a million Americans died.
So nobody is discussing a solution to Canada? It just hangs there? But instead, the Macarthur coup, even though he wasn't even a great general, is a thing? Now you're arguing which version of fanon, and just stating you think that is the most reasonable solution. If anyone was going to launch a coup, wouldn't it be Morrel?
You're free to say "we find a Macarthur coup more interesting than how the US handles Canada," but let's be honest here.
Canada getting statehood by 1936 is contradicted by the text. A complicated military situation that under different circumstances could have led to more extreme outcomes is not, and MacArthur himself being an extreme figure is supported by the text. Of course this is all fanon and we’re walking half-blind but we don’t contradict the text. You’re free to argue for your interpretation but these things have already been settled in terms of development.
I'm with @Faeelin here, and not just because I thought his take on TL-191 was the best I've ever seen. Leaving aside that the Confederacy IMO needs major reworks (starting with removal of the democratic paths since those are rather unrealistic even compared to TL-191 canon), the basic gameplay functionality of a war intended to take place on at least 2 continents is, I believe, more important to the mod than adding in military coups for the United States of all countries.
bguy
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There was a scene in the books after the death of TR where Flora is talking with some of the other Socialists leaders, and she notes that if TR had called out the troops so he could stay in power after losing the 1920 election they might have answered that call. Thus the idea of a military coup wasn't unthinkable in the TL-191 United States.
I almost forgot this detail from the books but will the mod also have Freedom party politicians in the US Congress? In the book, the states that got annexed from the Confederacy were eventually allowed to have their own elected officials which resulted in Freedom Party politicians getting elected and obtaining several seats in the US. It was always the funniest scene for me that whenever Congress has a meeting all the Freedom Party Congressmen would again and again would scream about referendums. They just wouldn’t shut up about it whenever they have the stand, which to be fair is no more annoying than listening to a regular filibuster.
They would fall under the Separatists tab, considering their position is "(Insert State) out of Yankeedom, now!"
Faeelin
Banned
Canada getting statehood at some point is not contradicted by the text, unless your argument is it is less plausible than a Communist Revolution or Macarthur's coup. Which is a take but, but not supported by the books.
Faeelin
Banned
the argument surely cannot be "Flora's views about X are in the text, and therefore plausible," because she is the one who discusses Canadian statehood. Perhaps the times have changed? But umm, then surely the chances of an army coup have too?
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