TL 191 HOI4 Mod Update and Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by weaverj, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    they're still just starting the alpha build from what I've seen.
    This. Dealing with Canada should be a major aspect of the USA's internal tree, and handling it "wrong" should be able to provoke a revolt by Anglo-Canadians.
     
  2. weaverj Fortnite Delenda Est

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    It's a work In progress.
     
  3. DanielXie Well-Known Member

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    These ideas all look nice. I will admit Hyper-Tolerant!Pelley made me chuckle a bit. That said he didn’t believe in UFOs until closer to the end of his life. I think he could justify his ideas as seeing a vision of Christ telling him what to do rather than seeing Christ and UFOs

    However I don’t really like the Edward being Monbol idea. Feels a bit way too over the top. Even if he is much less of a fascist prick in contrast to otl I think that at most he would be like appalled at the rise of the Mosleyites and the far right and want to curb their influence and if the opposition succeeds he might be open to allowing a republic declared to prevent England from being dragged into war.
     
  4. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Yeah, I had a blast writing up William Dudley Pelley, Final Prophet of the Coming Race.

    I based his ideology off of '30s Mexican racist propaganda about the alleged superior hybrid vigor of mestizos. XD Great stuff.
    TBF I don't think Mon-Bol Edward makes sense either, someone else thought that up. I just love the idea of this radically different world turning an OTL cryptofascist into a hardline commie.

    Also Citizen Windsor is a phrase that makes me chuckle.
     
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  5. DanielXie Well-Known Member

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    Anyways here are my ideas for a hypothetical TL-191 mod. It's something I've had an interest in doing as there's no Southern Victory mod on the market and doing a mod based on the TL-191 worldbuilding thread on AH would be interesting. I'm actually deciding between doing a TL-191 mod vs. doing my own original scenario wrt entering the HOI4 modding scene.

    Anyways here's my idea, gonna be different from some of the takes present here.

    The ideologies would be almost the same as Zoidberg's ideologies. Except instead of Actionism, I would have Ultranationalism be the furtherest right ideology and encompass anything from far-right militant reactionary beliefs to vanilla fascism(called corporatism in this universe) to Nazi esque racial supramacist beliefs(could be called "ethnic ultranationalism" or Freedomism--prefer the former). Actionism could be a specific subideology within So it would be something like this:

    Marxism
    Radical Socialism
    Democratic Socialism
    Social Democracy
    Liberalism
    Conservatism
    Paternalism
    Despotism
    Paternal Autocracy
    Ultranationalism

    Now here are my suggestions for the nations themselves:

    United States: I think they could choose to have Al Smith in power as a social democrat, leading to the canon route. However he could pass far reaching social reforms and placate the radical wing of the SPUSA and that could lead to a second constitutional convention to turn the US into demsoc or potentially radsoc or Marxism. A far left US would not work with the central powers. It might force a war much earlier on Featherston and then try to expel German and Entente influence all over the Americas. It would most likely spend it's end game fighting with Japan, Australia and New Zealand. Alternatively the US could go ultranat and elect Hyper-Tolerant!Pelley's Remembrance Front into office. Remembrance Front enforce military rule in Houston, Utah and Kentucky and really militarize the US. It can remain with the CP or form it's own block, but unlike far-left US won't be overtly hostile.
    CSA: I honestly don't know what they would do apart from killing blacks and licking the damnyankees but they'd be much harder to play than OTL Nazi Germany. Maybe a Huey Long route too but I don't see too much content. They'd be really difficult to play so if you want to play as a evil ultranat nation for fun or are feeling edgy, ultranat Britain and France are your best bet. They might have a softer ultranat route under the redemption league and maybe a Paternalist Huey Long route but I'm not sure how that would go.
    Great Britain: Edward VII is gonna be much more pleasant than OTL, but he won't be a monbol. I'll establish that he got traumatized during fighting in the first world war and he's appalled at the rising influence of the Silver Shirts. Britain's paths are either Paternalism under Churchill(the "canon" outcome) or they can fully cave to Mosley's ideas and go ultranat. This might lead to A LOT of colonial revolts that might have to be put down and potentially a socialist revolution. If Edward succeeds in undermining Mosley's influence he appoints a labour politician or a moderate conservative, and Britain reconciles with Germany and either remains neutral in the war or fights France and Russia.
    Germany: Obviously dealing with the threat of the Entente. Could try to launch a preemptive strike against France depending on who's in power and maybe fund Finnish and other separatist rebels in Russia. I don't see how a Communist revolution would be likely in Germany unless we're doing something like Vanilla where every nation has access to all ideologies. However, Germany could go ultranat under WWI veteran Hermann Goering(Himmler is too much of a chicken farmer and won't get the prominance he did OTL IMO), who will try to wipe France off the map by mass balkanizing of the remains of France(he will be the most likely to build momentum towards a preemptive strike), Germanize Belgium and potentially the Netherlands and Denmark by force. Also could stab A-H in the back to acquire Austria and the Sudentenland.
    France: They'd be focused on destroying Germany, take the Rhineland and balkanizing the remains, would seek to annex Belgium and potentially parts of the Netherlands. With regards to Austria-Hungary, they could fund ethnic separatists to destroy it from within. Would likely have no non-ultranat paths.
    Russia: Would want to regain Poland+Baltics and Ukraine. Depending on how nasty the leadership is they could try to push for Eurasianism by annexing Manchuria, Mongolia and pushing into the Middle East. If Romania is under ultranat rule under the meathook boys, Russia can supply the Iron Guard with arms in a war with Austria as well as assist Serbian secessionists. It can work with the Entente or form it's own faction: The Slavic Brotherhood(very likely if it embraces Eurasianism). Iron Guard Romania or Serbian ultranationalists would be more likely to join the Slavic Brotherhood.
     
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  6. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    Maybe they could have a Paternalistic path of generic old-school absolutists?
     
  7. DanielXie Well-Known Member

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    They would be Pathaut. Paternalist seem to refer to authdem here.
     
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    So, Russia would have PatAut and UltraNat paths here?
     
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    Yeah. I'm thinking an attempted assassination attempt on Kolchak by a neo-Bolshevik that leads to either Kolchak surviving and tightening his grip so Russia, or he dies and the absolutists that see the White Junta as weakening the powers the Tsar should have take over. Alternative Kolchak still dies, but even more extreme ultranats come to the fore that will implement Eurasianism(I'm thinking Black Hundreds but influenced by Eurasianism).
     
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    Maybe Russia could have a Paternalist path where Kolchak dies as well but a coalition of civilian conservatives (the Octobrists and the like) and a clique of relatively moderate officers led by Wrangel take power?
     
  11. DanielXie Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, they could potentially moderate to conservativism and end up as a constitutional monarchy through. They would oppose both French and Germany and would form their own faction(would not be the Slavic Brotherhood through, that's only formable by Pathaut or Ultranat Russia, and would have far saner members than Romanian nutcases with a thing for meathooks)
     
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  12. Calbertbreastpeach "The world is not beautiful, therefore it is."

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    Any updates on this?
     
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  13. Alex1guy First Of His Name

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    Yeah was hoping there is some progress or?
     
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    Please stop. It's really annoying seeing your unrelated posts everywhere. You're pretty obviously a bot given that you post almost every minute. @Ian the Admin could you ban them?
     
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  15. weaverj Fortnite Delenda Est

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    Progress is very slow at the moment...Sorry.
     
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  16. Alex1guy First Of His Name

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    No problemo, modding is hard work
     
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    What did you want to write?

    It is rather a form of national syndicalism - the roots of this movement are completely white.
     
  18. Alterwright "You were never even a player."

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    So... how is the mod going?
     
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    And the one between Italy and China?