TL-191: Filling the Gaps

vesica

Sierra said:
I was not, of course, referring to the large cities. Those need large forces to overrun. I was referring solely to the useage of such air mobile troops for counter insurgency. Such tactics would be very effective in backwater areas where you are not going to be facing more than a hundred partisans total at one time. Canada is big, yes, but its also not in a position like some of the famously successful insurgencies, like the Viet Cong, where they had direct support from neighboring countries and were able to maintain thousands of troops in the back country using intricate supply routes. A battalion sized unit that can deploy detachments all over a large area could quickly stamp out resistance forces that have no defense against men descending from the skies, and can have their strongholds surrounded, or lines of retreat cut off.

Really, i think it ought to be the US that inspires others. In WWI, Billy Mitchell and Lewis Brereton conceived a plan to train troops for the first ever airborne operation, planned for February 1919. Now, I've heard others in thie thread suggesting Billy Mitchell as being more influential than he was otherwise, and iirc being a post war military governor or something along those lines, Further, its also been suggested that the Socialists might have turned to air power as a solution to maintain coverage while being able to reduce troop numbers. Combining these two factors, i think its very reasonable to suggest the United States Army being the first pioneer of airborne forces. And its not necessarily at odds with Europeans being involved in it. The US would be likely to use such troops more like the Germans and British did initially, as raiding forces intended for such counter insurgency work. Then the British could use them en masse in the Netherlands (a call back to the German usage of them in the same context) which then inspires the US Army to expand their cadre of a few battalions worth of paratroopers into a multi division force.

This has three advantages, I think. First...it sort of mirrors the real life back and forth where the combatants in WWII would trade improving on each others tactics back and forth. Second....it prevents Irving Morrell from being the genius that comes up with every important innovation in the US Army. And third.....being someone who has personally been to the Chattanooga area several times, I can say its extremely rugged in many places, and it would take some experienced paratroopers as pathfinders to set up drop zones in terrain like that.
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I like your logic here.

US Airborne uses small Company up to Battalion level units. Britain and Germany get wind of the experiments (reports would definitely get back to Berlin at the dead minimum). I'll be sure to include these thoughts in my western front post of the SGW for Europe.

I was mildly annoyed that apparently Morrell was the only seeming innovative US General at all... he gets every brain storm and is more successful then anyone and seemingly never loses a fight. Don't get me wrong I love Rommel, but everyone loses and the air of invincibility that Morrell get can be grating
 
Sierra

Sierra

vesica said:
I like your logic here.

US Airborne uses small Company up to Battalion level units. Britain and Germany get wind of the experiments (reports would definitely get back to Berlin at the dead minimum). I'll be sure to include these thoughts in my western front post of the SGW for Europe.

I was mildly annoyed that apparently Morrell was the only seeming innovative US General at all... he gets every brain storm and is more successful then anyone and seemingly never loses a fight. Don't get me wrong I love Rommel, but everyone loses and the air of invincibility that Morrell get can be grating
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Yeah. It gets a bit silly when Morrell is not only the inventor of the helmet, but also armored warfare and so on. I suppose there's only so many people that even an author like Turtledove who approaches George R. R. Martin levels of characters can focus on, and its important to him to show the effects things like that have at first hand for the story he's telling. Its similar to how in the Great War, you don't really see any US generals aside from Custer and MacArthur, and no Entente generals at all, so you simply get the impression of the old WWI fallacy about "lions led by donkeys", which was really only applicable to a few of the generals who were enthusiastic advocates of "attaque a outrance".

As for the paratroops...my thought is that the Germans would see this sort of thing and not really see the value in it for them. Airborne, outside of the insurgency situation is really an inherently offensive development, and the Germans as of the 1930s are inherently defensive. The British, meanwhile, would probably see this mentioned both by their spies in Canada, and likely via propaganda from the US about the Sky Soldiers. Given the notion i've seen that the British would have been clearing dead wood and pushing reformers like Liddel Hart and others up, I can see them realizing the value of an additional method of transportation to cross the North Sea, and you would likely see paras employed both D_Day style in the Netherlands, and possibly Crete style in parts of Norway. This in turn gets the Americans thinking about the applications.

It does make me wonder, though, who would be leading the American airborne. Bill Lee was from North Carolina. I'm not sure if Ridgeway would be available to the US, since I don't know where his parent were from, though I understand he may not have been from Southern stock since he was born at an army post in Virginia. Maxwell Taylor though was from Missouri, so he'd likely be around.
 

New Cleo Genesis

Sierra said:
Yeah. It gets a bit silly when Morrell is not only the inventor of the helmet, but also armored warfare and so on. I suppose there's only so many people that even an author like Turtledove who approaches George R. R. Martin levels of characters can focus on, and its important to him to show the effects things like that have at first hand for the story he's telling. Its similar to how in the Great War, you don't really see any US generals aside from Custer and MacArthur, and no Entente generals at all, so you simply get the impression of the old WWI fallacy about "lions led by donkeys", which was really only applicable to a few of the generals who were enthusiastic advocates of "attaque a outrance".

As for the paratroops...my thought is that the Germans would see this sort of thing and not really see the value in it for them. Airborne, outside of the insurgency situation is really an inherently offensive development, and the Germans as of the 1930s are inherently defensive. The British, meanwhile, would probably see this mentioned both by their spies in Canada, and likely via propaganda from the US about the Sky Soldiers. Given the notion i've seen that the British would have been clearing dead wood and pushing reformers like Liddel Hart and others up, I can see them realizing the value of an additional method of transportation to cross the North Sea, and you would likely see paras employed both D_Day style in the Netherlands, and possibly Crete style in parts of Norway. This in turn gets the Americans thinking about the applications.

It does make me wonder, though, who would be leading the American airborne. Bill Lee was from North Carolina. I'm not sure if Ridgeway would be available to the US, since I don't know where his parent were from, though I understand he may not have been from Southern stock since he was born at an army post in Virginia. Maxwell Taylor though was from Missouri, so he'd likely be around.
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James Gavin was from New York, though a bit on the younger side (born 1907).
 

Matt Wiser

Any thoughts on Von Spee's squadron ITTL? I'm thinking that as things deteriorated in Tsingtao for the Germans, the Squadron left for the Marianas, then, apart from Emden, made for the U.S. Pacific Coast (or at least Hawaii after it was taken by the U.S.). From then on, the Squadron operated under the U.S. Pacific Fleet for the duration.

Comments?
 
S. Marlowski

S. Marlowski

Matt Wiser said:
Any thoughts on Von Spee's squadron ITTL? I'm thinking that as things deteriorated in Tsingtao for the Germans, the Squadron left for the Marianas, then, apart from Emden, made for the U.S. Pacific Coast (or at least Hawaii after it was taken by the U.S.). From then on, the Squadron operated under the U.S. Pacific Fleet for the duration.

Comments?
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They would've very well happened
 

vesica

S. Marlowski said:
I wonder what sort of medals and awards would General Irving Morrell could've been awarded? (Both domestic and foreign medals)
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Depends on whether we believe that Morrel was the Wünderkind that apparently single handedly broke the Canadians in the Rockie Mountains with his sole Battalion, invented the helmet, aided in breaking Utah, smashed through the two toughest defense lines of the Kentucky/Tennessee campaign, and then essentially won the SGW... or we accept our united Canon that other generals and officers actually did things :p

At a dead minimum he'd have a campaign medal for serving (for a length of time) on the Canadian front, the Kentucky front, a tour of service on the General Staff, might have recieved a Bronze Star or maybe even a Silver Star for his capture of Banff (Guderian would have talked him beyond all holy hell). He's have a Barrelman Badge along with an Infantry Combat Badge.. maybe even a Mountaineer possibly (should such a thing exist in the US)

Medal for his duty in Canada on occupation, then whatever medals he got for his organization and execution of the campaigns in Pennsylvania and Ohio and his leadership of his thrust through the Confederacy.

Oh and we can't forget his two Purple Hearts
 

vesica

J.J.Jameson88 said:
It wouldn't surprise me if he got honorary medals from the Co-belligerents. (I.E. Germany, Austria Hungary, Quebec, etc.)
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Germany and Austria-Hungary definitely with friends like Guderian and Dietl... Quebec unlikely unless he had Quebecois soldiers under his command at some point (either in occupation duty in Quebec or following Operation Rosebud).
 

BigAbeRangel

Zoidberg12 said:
Empire of Brazil (Part One)

The roots of the Empire of Brazil go all the way back to 1808, when the Portuguese regent Dom João VI, along with the incapacitated Queen Maria I, fled from Napoleon Bonaparte's invasion of Portugal and established himself and his government in the Brazilian city of Rio de Janerio. The United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves was established on December 15th, 1815 by Prince-Regent Dom João VI as a result of the fact that the monarchy was more popular in Brazil than in Portugal at the time and that Rio de Janerio offered much more freedom to the monarchy. As a result, Brazil was elevated to the status of a constituent kingdom within this new pluricontinental monarchy.

After the Liberal Revolution of 1820 in Portugal, João VI returned to Portugal in April of 1821, leaving eldest son and heir Pedro to rule as regent of Brazil. The Portuguese government immediately began moving in to get rid of the autonomy Brazil had enjoyed since 1808, which ignited widespread opposition from Brazilians. As result, Prince Pedro, Regent of Brazil, declared Brazil's independence from Portugal on September 7th, 1822. On October 12th, 1822, Prince Pedro was proclaimed Pedro I, the first Emperor of the newly created Empire of Brazil, a constitution monarchy. The Brazilian War of Independence lasted until 1824, and Portugal officially recognized Brazil's independence in August of 1825, an act which also officially disbanded the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves.

In 1831, Dom Pedro I abdicated the throne of Brazil due to the Liberal Wars in Portugal. His five year old son became Emperor Pedro II of Brazil, and a weak regency was created around the young emperor, leading to a number of regional civil wars. However, when Dom Pedro II came of age he was able to restore order to Brazil. It was also under Dom Pedro II that Brazil became an emerging international power, with Brazil emerging victorious in a number of South American wars, such as the Platine War (1851-1852), the Uruguayan War (1864-1865) and the Paraguayan War/War of the Triple Alliance (1864-1870). With economic development and prosperity came a number of immigrants from Europe. By the middle of the 19th century, the Empire of Brazil was the most powerful nation in South America and Latin America. It is important to note that unlike their Hispanic, Republican neighbors, the Empire of Brazil was politically stable, had vibrant economic growth and had freedom of speech and civil rights as a part of its constitution, albeit with restrictions on women and slaves.

By the late 19th century, Brazil was one of the last slave-holding nations on earth, along with the Confederate States of America, which began manumission in 1883 in the aftermath of the Second-Mexican War (1881-1882). This all changed on March 1st, 1889, when the Brazilian parliament, with Dom Pedro II's approval, passed "Lei Áurea", in English "Golden Law", abolishing slavery, but providing for manumission. The law was modeled somewhat on the Confederate Manumission Amendment, and stated that all slaves in Brazil would be gradually freed by the year 1900, with financial compensation to their owners. While the law caused many ultraconservatives to join the Republican and Anti-Monarchist camp, the promise of financial compensation for their freed slaves placated many who would otherwise have taken some sort of drastic action against the Emperor. With European powers, such as Great Britain, France, Spain and Portugal, openly supporting the, admittedly weakening, Brazilian monarchy in the aftermath of their passing of the "Golden Law", any talk of a Republican coup was laughable at best.

With the threat of a Republican coup gone, the Empire of Brazil and their monarchy made a return to overall stability. Nevertheless problems remained for the monarchy, such as the issue of an heir. Dom Pedro II only had one heir and living child, Princess Isabella, who acted as his regent three times previously. Both of his sons had died when they were toddlers back in the 1840s, and with no male heir, Dom Pedro feared it was would give strength to the Republican cause. Brazil was a traditionalist and male dominated society, and many found the idea of a female monarch unacceptable. Even if a female monarch would be tolerated, Isabella showed no interest in becoming monarch, and an apathetic monarch could spell disaster for Brazil. As a result, in mid-1890, Dom Pedro and the Brazilian government decided to appoint a new heir to the Brazilian throne from the Portuguese branch of the House of Brazanga. Princess Isabella, not wanting to be monarch and not wanting her country to fall victim to political instability, consented. In October of 1890, Dom Pedro and the Brazilian government granted the position of heir to the Brazilian throne to Dom Pedro de Alcântara of Orléans-Braganza, Prince of Grão Pará, the 15 year-old son of Princess Isabella and Grandson of Emperor Dom Pedro II.

As it turned out, that time would come in over a years' time. Dom Pedro II died in the Paço de São Cristóvão in Rio de Janeiro on December 6th, 1891 at the age of 66. With that, the 16 year-old Dom Pedro de Alcântara of Orléans-Braganza, Prince of Grão Pará, became Emperor of Brazil, taking the royal name Pedro III in honor of his grandfather Pedro II, with his mother Isabella ruling as regent until his eighteenth birthday in 1893. The coronation of Dom Pedro III was held in Rio de Janeiro on Christmas Day, 1891. Massive celebrations occurred in the streets of Rio de Janeiro, and Dom Pedro was paraded though the city after his coronation. With that, the Brazilian monarchy was as secure as ever, and with slavery ending and the 20th century approaching, a new era in Brazilian history had begun.

Dom Pedro III's reign was mostly quiet, aside from the War of Canudos (1896-1897) and the Acre War against Bolivia (1899-1903). Dom Pedro III proved a popular figure, despite his young age, and the people of Brazil adored him. Dom Pedro III also kept his country outside of the European Alliance System, and traded frequently with both he nations of the Triple Alliance and Quadruple Alliance. In 1900, the process manumission in Brazil finally ended, ending slavery in Brazil and in the western world once and for all.

Emperor Dom Pedro III died suddenly and unexpectedly of Malaria in Recife on October 29th, 1913, aged 38, after returning from a week long hunting expedition in the Amazon Rainforest, where he most likely contracted the disease. His younger brother, Prince Luís of Orléans-Braganza, had died earlier that year of tuberculosis on March 26, 1913, aged 35. With Prince Pedro Gastão of Orléans-Braganza, the oldest son of the Emperor, only three years-old, the Brazilian government decided, for the sake of national stability, to not establish a regency around the young prince and to give the position of Emperor and the Crown of Brazil to the only surviving son of Princess Isabel, the 32 year-old Prince Antônio Gastão of Orléans-Braganza, who at the time was a captain in the Brazilian Air Force. On the day after his older brother's death, Prince Antônio Gastão was honorably discharged from the Brazilian Air Force and became Emperor Dom Pedro IV of Brazil. He was crowned Emperor in Rio de Janeiro on November 8th, 1913. Dom Pedro IV's reign started out as uneventful, but in June of 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo. Dom Pedro IV gave his condolences to the House of Hapsburg, but saw no reason to enter the war, which he saw as a European and North American Affair. He continued his predecessors policy of trading with both the nations of the Entente and Central Powers, and though he was courted by both sides, Brazil remained a neutral nation. However, this would all change in 1917.
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Zoidberg12 said:
Empire of Brazil (Part Two)

In 1917, the Great War entered its third year and as the year itself progressed it became blatantly obvious that the tide of war had turned in the favor of the Central Powers. 1917 saw the Barrel Roll Offensive, the begging of the Russian Civil War and withdrawal of Russia from the war and the mutiny of the French armies, among other significant events. During the war, Brazil maintained a policy of neutrality, trading with both belligerent alliances. Secretly, Emperor Dom Pedro IV was trying to ascertain which alliance was more likely to win, and what benefits if any joining said alliance would bring to Brazil. By the summer of 1917, Emperor Dom Pedro IV and Prime Minister Venceslau Brás were both in agreement; it was high time to for Brazil to join the Central Powers. One of the main reasons they had agreed as such was because many politicians in Brazil, themselves included, hoped to get some land from Argentina (the main Entente Power in South America), British Guyana and/or French Guyana. There were other benefits as well, such as increased trade with the Central Powers. Whatever the case, Brazil declared war on the Entente Powers and joined the Central Powers on July 29th, 1917. At the same time Brazil extended diplomatic recognition to the Republic of Quebec, the Republic of Ireland and the new German Client States of Eastern Europe.

As a result of Brazil throwing their lot in with the Central Powers a major shift in power from the Entente to the Central Powers occurred in the South American theater of the Great War. Brazilian ports were now being used as bases for American, Brazilian and Chilean navies to sever the naval supply lines between Argentina and Great Britain. With the aforementioned supply lines severed, Great Britain, the last remaining belligerent of the Entente Powers, knew it was finished. In September of 1917, Britain surrendered and the Great War ended, Brazil having played a key role in getting the British to surrender.

Brazil continued to be at war with Argentina until November 1st, 1917, when an armistice between the two was signed, returning things between the two to the status quo ante bellum.

In the aftermath of their brief but significant participation in the Great War, many in the halls of the Parliament of Brazil began to ask; Was it worth it for Brazil to get involved in the Great War? On one hand, some argued that Brazil's joining of the Central Powers gave them a good amount of international prestige amongst the powers of Europe and the Americas, both the victors and the defeated, and that it made it known to them that Brazil was a power to be reckoned with. Others argued that Brazil had already been getting wealthy trading with both belligerent alliances and that their entrance into the war was superficial, for the aforementioned reason but also for the fact that Brazil had received none of the territories it might have wanted to gain. Invasions of British and French Guyana proved inconclusive, not to mention the neutral Dutch had no interest in selling their Guyanese colony. Brazil also gained no territory in their brief war with Argentina. Some Brazilian politicians wanted to continue the war with Argentina into 1918 or even into the early 1920s if need be, but Emperor Dom Pedro IV and Prime Minister Venceslau Brás saw no reason for more bloodshed, as Brazil was already the dominant power in South America/Latin America, and had been for decades previously.

The 1920s proved a mostly quiet decade for Brazil, which continued to enjoy its status and a regional and world power, the latter which everyone considered Brazil to be now, what with their show of force in the Great War. This all changed in October of 1929 with the begging of the Great Depression. Brazil, though not hit as hard by the Depression as some of its Hispanic neighbors, was still hit hard none the less. Most people continued to have faith in the Emperor, though many became disillusioned with the elected politicians. This lead to the rise of a number of far-right groups in Brazil. One of these groups was the Brazilian Integralist Action Party, founded in October, 1932 by Plínio Salgado and modeled on Benito Mussolini's ill-fated National Fascist Party in Italy and Oswald Moseley's British Nationalist Party in Great Britain, and to a lesser extent Jake Featherston's Freedom Party in the CSA. The Integralist movement supported the Brazilian monarchy, much like how Mussolini supported the Italian monarchy, and like other far-right movements was staunchly anti-Marxist and anti-Liberal. The Integralist movement was also Clerical in nature, advocating for "Christian values" and was also anti-Semitic. While the movement did gain a following, a government crack-down on far-right and far-left movements in Brazil began in 1938, severely undermining the movement. The party disbanded in 1944 and never reformed.

On September 29th, 1937, after an almost twenty-four year-long reign, Dom Pedro IV died in Rio de Janerio at only 56 years of age. The Emperor was loved by a great number his people for his comforting them during the two world wars and the worst years of the Great Depression. Many residents of Rio de Janiero, young and old, rich and poor, attended his funeral on October 18th, 1937. Dom Pedro IV was succeeded as Emperor by his 27 year-old nephew, and the son of Dom Pedro III, Prince Pedro Gastão of Orléans-Braganza, who was crowned Emperor Dom Pedro V of Brazil in Rio de Janiero on November 1st, 1937.

In July of 1938, Brazil nearly went to with Venezuela over a border dispute. Venezuela had, since the mid-1920s under President and Military Strongman Juan Vicente Gómez, claimed Brazilian land between their borders and the Branco River. After Gómez died in 1935, he was succeed by Eleazar López Contreras, one of his collaborators, and Contreras continued claimed the aforementioned land from Brazil. Brazil laughed this claim off, until July of 1938 when border skirmishes between Brazilian and Venezuelan infantry occurred around the disputed border area. Dom Pedro IV and Prime Minister Washington Luís were furious, and threatened to declare war on Venezuela if such skirmishes continued. Luckily, cooler heads prevailed and war was averted, with a peaceable agreement between Venezuela and Brazil being reached, with Venezuela giving up on the border dispute in exchange for a number of trade deals and related trade benefits. Brazil also promised to come to Venezuela's aide if it were ever attacked by another South American nation.

The first year of the 1940s went smoothly for the Empire of Brazil, with the country recovering somewhat after the worse of the Great Depression. Then on June 22nd, 1941, the Second Great War broke out. Dom Pedro IV and Prime Minister Júlio Prestes announced soon after that Brazil would remain neutral in the conflict. This was so for a number of reasons; first of all Brazil had little to gain from joining the war. The government knew a war with Argentina would drag on for years, and agreed that it would not be worth war for what would probably not be much land gained. With Britain and France fortifying their Guyanese colonies from attack since in 1937, Brazil knew any invasion there would be a fools errand. The Brazilian government and Dom Pedro IV, much as he had done in the initial years of the Great War, perused a policy of neutrality where trade was conducted with both belligerent alliances, the Entente and Central Powers. Brazil under Dom Pedro IV and Júlio Prestes, was one of a number of nations during the Second Great War which remained neutral and traded with both alliances, other examples including Italy under Victor Emmanuel III and Ferruccio Parri and Sweden under Gustav V and Per Albin Hanson. Per Albin Hanson, famous for being the founder of the Swedish Socialist/Social Corporatist Welfare State, was admittedly inspired by both the Italian and Brazilian policies of neutrality during the First and Second Great Wars when deciding the neutrality policy his nation would take during the Second Great War.

After the Second Great War ended in 1944, things continued on much as they always had in Brazil. The Empire of Brazil, having weathered both the Great Depression and the Second Great War, and having gotten wealthy trading with both the Entente Alliance and the Central Powers during the war, was one country which looked hopefully to what the post-war years and the 1950s would have to offer them.
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Hi, do you have the original versions of these posts? If you do, DM them to me for me to keep. Also a quibble with Part I is that the War of Canudos was a Royalist rebellion, which would not have occurred ITTL. Also a part is still left out from the original is where Pedro II selects Prince Afonso to succeed him. Thanks.
 

BigAbeRangel

Speaking of Brazil, a thought popped into my head: What were relations like between the Brazilian imperial family and the House of Orléans ITTL. IOTL, Crown Princess Isabella was married to Prince Gaston, Count of Eu of the House of Orléans, thereby becoming the House of Orléans-Braganza. I'll give Dr. Turtledove a pass for glossing over this topic, but it be interesting to see relations between Charles XI and his more pro-Entente Brazilian cousins.
 

vesica

The relationship between newly Monarchist France and Brazil might have been one of the factors as to why Brazil remained neutral in the SGW compared to the FGW; there was nothing for them to benefit from the second round ahead, and the ties with the Royal Families might have caused them enough pause to not be involved
 

Matt Wiser

There's something else that would be interesting: The Germans in East Africa were going to hold a Grand Exposition to celebrate their colonial achievements at Dar Es Saalam in August, 1914. SMS Koenigsberg was there as the cruiser on the East Africa Station OTL (and she would be ITTL). How about this: a USN ship is there as well (a light cruiser, perhaps) to also "show the flag" and also to show support for the U.S's ally. Maybe the USN ship does some commerce raiding-unlike the Germans, who only took one ship and sank a British light cruiser, before being forced into the same river delta as the Germans? And U.S. Marines and sailors wind up fighting on land with Lettow-Vorbeck's command for the rest of the war....
 

vesica

Matt Wiser said:
There's something else that would be interesting: The Germans in East Africa were going to hold a Grand Exposition to celebrate their colonial achievements at Dar Es Saalam in August, 1914. SMS Koenigsberg was there as the cruiser on the East Africa Station OTL (and she would be ITTL). How about this: a USN ship is there as well (a light cruiser, perhaps) to also "show the flag" and also to show support for the U.S's ally. Maybe the USN ship does some commerce raiding-unlike the Germans, who only took one ship and sank a British light cruiser, before being forced into the same river delta as the Germans? And U.S. Marines and sailors wind up fighting on land with Lettow-Vorbeck's command for the rest of the war....
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Leads into an interesting discussion on what the Western Squadron of the High Seas Fleet did during the war; they were in Boston when war broke out and were even reinforced with at least one Armored Cruiser as Archduke Franz Ferdinand uttered his last breath. I doubt either the German would have ordered that Squadron home, and have to risk the wrath of the British Home Fleet and whatever assets the French and British kept in the eastern Atlantic, which makes me wonder what the Western Squadron did during the war.

Building on your point wouldn't be surprised if anyone was out there; I think Canon had it established that Lettow-Vorbeck is considered one of the top Generals of the QA and lead an extremely successful campaign throughout East Africa during the war, so it would be entirely unsurprised if those sailors and Marines were some of the few land forces of the United States that recieved foreign medals
 
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La Rouge Beret

Here's something that I've been thinking about for a TL 191 fanfiction that I've been considering, but can anyone remember the books in the American Empire series that spoke about the Mexican Civil War? Also I haven't read the Settling Account series and wanted to know which books of the series that people would recommend that I read.
 

BigAbeRangel

La Rouge Beret said:
Here's something that I've been thinking about for a TL 191 fanfiction that I've been considering, but can anyone remember the books in the American Empire series that spoke about the Mexican Civil War? Also I haven't read the Settling Account series and wanted to know which books of the series that people would recommend that I read.
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That would have to be in the "American Emprie" trilogy considering their Civil War beings right after GW1.
 
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