TL-191: Filling the Gaps

I'm sure some of you must have noticed my thread about a TL-191 mod for Darkest Hour, right? Well, recently I've been looking for people to represent the fictional characters of the series; I don't want to cut corners (or, like we Finns say, "go where the fence is at its lowest") and just put in Hitler as Featherston and so on. With Tiro posting his character sketches and his visualizations of them, I though I might as well give you the man who perfectly matches my vision of Jake Featherston: Donald Sutherland in his role of Liam Devlin from The Eagle Has Landed. Anybody else here with a similar vision of Featherston?

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I imagine either like a generic souther(ie white blond, any eye colour) but in animated form of the villain of the Iron Giant Kent Mansley dunno he have would be featherson

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I have to admit that my mental image of Jake the Snake is quite strong, but quite possibly as a result of that I find it hard to fix on a Casting Choice because I keep thinking "No, not QUITE perfect" (probably because Featherston is explicitly described as the sort of person who doesn't really get a lot of work in Hollywood - average height, lean not quite to the point of being underweight, with cheekbones you can shave with, marksman's eyes and something of the serpent about him).


I fear that if you ask me for a Featherston casting choice I could give you a whole Rogue's Gallery of them! However the latest picture to catch my attention as a possibly-useful physical model for Jake Featherston will be posted below for your amusement, fellow readers, and for the sake of provoking discussion.


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^Now that I think on it Mr James Coburn had a pretty good look for The Snake, but I'm not sure he had the voice which I imagine suits Featherston - I think of The Snake's speaking voice as always sounding rather as though he spoke through clenched teeth, with just a little hint more of a hiss on the sibilants than is common (it might be just a whistle and not a hiss, it depends on the listener).

I don't see him as being quite so much of a 'windmill' as Hitler; he doesn't move his hands very much when speaking, but he isn't quite still (I think of his nickname as deriving in part from the fact that he sways back and forth a little as he speaks, like the long grass swayed back and forth in the tempest of emotion that he generates - or like a cobra hypnotising its victim before it strikes) - with some dramatic hand gesture used for punctuation at the very end of his speech.

He's not exactly soft spoken, but I think of his speeches as starting off fairly low-pitched but rising and rising and RISING until the crescendo is nearly howled out (leaving the audience in near-hysterical fits of enthusiasm).


I really, REALLY wish that I could draw, because it would make things MUCH easier; I could just set down my mental image of these characters rather than fail to find actors who match it PERFECTLY.:roll eyes:

(Although in all fairness the images I have posted to date DO at least give a decent idea of the 'Feel' I'd want to convey in an illustration even if the physical resemblance isn't PERFECT).
 
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^Mr Stephen Lang is probably just a wee bit too handsome to be playing Jake the Snake, but so help me this picture makes me think "Featherston" (something about the eyes …).^


At this point I keep looking over my shoulder in terror and in dread that the posters from the PHOTOS FROM FEATHERSTON'S CONFEDERACY thread will finally show up to object to our infringement on their area of expertise!:eek:
 
Lang's a good Featherston match.

Something just struck me, I was thinking about Armstrong Grimes. I think his generation wouldn't necessarily have the Greatest Generation moniker. The way they were tested would not have been as bad previous generation, considering the horror their parents endured. Thoughts anyone.
 

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^Mr Stephen Lang is probably just a wee bit too handsome to be playing Jake the Snake, but so help me this picture makes me think "Featherston" (something about the eyes …).^

Well at least one female character described Jake as the handsomest man she had ever seen, so with at least some people thinking Jake was handsome, Lang could work.

For me though the picture you posted in post #1524 is closer to what I imagined Featherston looking like.
 
Something like younger Gary Busey, with similarly close-cropped hair.

So, how about his son Jake Busey.

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^Mr Stephen Lang is probably just a wee bit too handsome to be playing Jake the Snake, but so help me this picture makes me think "Featherston" (something about the eyes …).^

Lang's a good Featherston match.

Whoa, Lang really looks perfect for the part. Be right back, got some modding to do...

There's something wrong with his eyes...

That's a little closer to how i imagined him. I always imagined him thin but terrifying.

Well at least one female character described Jake as the handsomest man she had ever seen, so with at least some people thinking Jake was handsome, Lang could work.

For me though the picture you posted in post #1524 is closer to what I imagined Featherston looking like.

HOW DARE YOU ALL BESMIRCH THE MAN WHO PLAYED GEORGE PICKETT!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

In all seriousness though, i do have to agree with you all about his eyes though. Pale Blue-grey eyes. Incredibly bright as well. They are the scariest types of eyes.

They are the same type of eyes that Henry Fonda has.
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EDIT: Hmmm. Just occured to me. Henry Fonda for Pinkard anyone?
 
I'm glad that I seem to have stumbled onto a practicable Featherston casting choice which also seems to be generally agreeable to the community! (with the exception of Lord Kiryan, to whom I can only offer my profound apologies for besmirching the image of one Confederate leader with the sins of another … even if the latter is fictional).:D

I also think Henry Fonda doesn't quite have the beefy 'Henchman' look I associate with Jefferson Davis Pinkard; he looks too much the leading man to my eye.

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^Think Pat Roach, henchman extra-ordinary!^


So, how about his son Jake Busey.

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^Oddly enough I could just about accept Mr Busey fils as Sam Carsten - he's not as close to Albinism as Sam is but I think you'll be able to see what I mean from the picture above.^


As my final post for the night (even garrulous busybodies have to sleep sometime - if only to borrow ideas from their dreams!), I was recently giving some thought to what the Freedom Party salute might look like and it occurred to me that it might make sense to borrow from the shape of the Battle Flag by showing Partizans make an 'X' with their arms in front of their chest.


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^Either something like this … ^


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^ … or perhaps more like this? ^
 
One more thing:-

I've been trying to scare up a good casting choice for my version of Ainsworth Layne, someone who can convincingly portray a character who is quite possibly more far-sighted than any other thinker of his time (at least in his own nation), but one who comes across as a bit too much of a milquetoast to be respected and a bit too much of a selfless martyr in his own mind to be universally admired (he's also a man who is prone to be fearful but able to conquer his fears, though usually only after a period of sweating and shivering).


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I'm not sure Mr James Mason would be the perfect Life Model, but so help me this picture is PERFECT as an illustration of how I imagine Mr Layne - even down to the little bow tie; this is a man who can discuss the most radical political ideas that the average Confederate States citizen could imagine without scaring the hades out of them!
 
I'm sure some of you must have noticed my thread about a TL-191 mod for Darkest Hour, right?

May I please ask which forum it is in? (I would in fact be grateful if you could please post a link so that we might get a look at it).:)
 
Well I trust and suspect that after you've put more work into it this Modification will prove to be very impressive indeed 'Cleo' - and thank you for the compliment of drawing inspiration from this thread.:)
 
Concerning Confederate Cuba

Nothing says 'Alternate History' like a Cuban Annexation; with this in mind and a little bit of research under my belt (coupled with the vague recollection that some fellow contributor in past days suggested that thought should be given to the precise position of Cuba in the course of Timeline-191) I have been giving some thought to how this particular island became joined to the mainland (politically-speaking).

Now what follows is based as much in narrative as in sober history, but I think that it is at least good food for thought fit to inspire further discussion in the course of 'after-dinner' conversation.


- In a nutshell my answer to the question of how Cuba became a constituent part of the CSA would have to be 'Texas-style' (which is to say that I believe that it first became an Independent Republic and then voted to accept Annexation, although not without some controversy).

I have yet to fill in the details of this process, but the outline is this; the conflict between Cuban Rebels and Spanish Royalists which in Our Timeline would become the Ten Years War (1868-1878) breaks out more or less on schedule and (as in our own timeline) Cuban Expatriates, as well as International Brigades of mainlanders show up to fight with the Revolutionaries in the approved Lafayette fashion.

However due to the fact that the War of Secession is several years shorter than our own Civil War, there are a great many more youthful Fire-Eaters who failed to choke on enemy fusillades; as a result what I'll refer to here as the 'Continental Brigades' are out in much greater strength (thousands instead of hundreds) and therefore the Cuban struggle for independence enjoys a great degree of success here than is recorded in the pages of our own History (at least after a few years).

At this point, the REAL difficulty begins.


- Unsurprisingly the filibusters and Golden Circle-types (Southerners of the sort who want to turn the Caribbean into a Confederate lake at the very least and would much rather own EVERYTHING south of the Mason-Dixon line) are a key factor in this difficulty.

How so? Well for a start they're talking immediate annexation, although in all fairness so are some of the Cubans (with former members of the Havana Club who supported that sort of thing sometime in the 1850s, to the point of attracting a number of unsuccessful incursions) - to say the least this doesn't sit well with the Spanish (who are not easily to be parted with the vestiges of their Empire) and not all Confederates are particularly keen on the idea of sticking their nose into this particular hornet's nest (those elements of the Government who have been struggling not only to reign in the States, but also to persuade them to work in Harness in the first place).

An additional complication is the fact that a considerable number of the Cuban natives who fought to win Independence for themselves and their countrymen are as black as coffee absent cream; they are in fact slaves sent to the front lines on the understanding that they will win their own freedom along with Cuba's, a harsh reality which causes almost as much consternation in the Confederate States as it does in the hacienda of the average Cuban plantation patrician.

In fact not only is there a Liberty-for-Independence arrangement in effect, complete Emancipation has in fact been tabled by the Revolutionary Government (oh and doubtless the United Kingdom, as well as the United States, will want a say in all this).


- At this point my outline becomes fuzzy, so at this point I'll proceed to explain the logic underpinning my approach to the problem of making Cuba Confederate in the course of Timeline-191.

In brief I want to make Cuba the entr'acte between the War of Secession and the Second Mexican War, as well as a learning experience for the Confederate States which helps facilitate their victory in the latter conflict. With this in mind I want to work our a sequence of events that goes far from smoothly for the Confederacy, but which in the end works out to their advantage.

This is an opportunity to show that the path to Confederate Cuba was a far-from-smooth one and I think that the biggest bumps in the road are likely to be Spain (easy prey … for the United States, whole and entire IN 1898), the United States (who are likely enthusiastic about the liberation of a New World Nation from the Old World, less so about having to confront yet ANOTHER Confederate State) and the United Kingdom (which is unlikely to react to a situation so likely to trouble the West Indies with any warmth - much less to an apparently Imperialistic venture by a Slave Power).


- I think that the UK and the USA are likely to be placated to some degree by the Confederates leaving Cuba as an independent republic for the nonce, but the question of how to put Spain in a position where she can be persuaded to accept financial compensation in lieu of exacting revenge by force is an awkward one; I'd guess that it would take a Bay of Pigs-type failure to persuade the Spanish that the game is rigged against them and that it may be better to be bribed into submission rather than risk humiliation.

I'm not sure of the precise order of events, but I'd guess a bad crossing/storm at sea scattering the Invasion Fleet, followed by an abortive landing that is smashed on the beaches through the application of overwhelming firepower from defensive positions is as likely as any (and such a victory might present a useful inspiration for the Louisville Strategy during the Second Mexican War).

Colonel Ambrosio Jose Gonzales (a Cuban revolutionary who favoured Annexation and served with the CS Army as, amongst other things, Chief of Artillery charged with securing the coastal defence of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida under Beauregard) would very likely play some part in the process of thwarting the deviltries of Spain in this case.


- I'd be inclined to define the Confederate Government's position throughout all this as rather an awkward one; the British are not firm allies at this point (The French having taken the lead in ending the War of Secession in the interests of securing Confederate support for their Mexican venture) and may well leave the Confederacy to fend for itself with a friendly warning which may or may not be very friendly at all (Something like "Watch out for the Spanish … and don't even THINK about reopening the Havana slave markets").

I also like the idea that the C$A3 000 000 payment was something the Confederacy was less than eager to part with, but felt obliged to hand over in the interests of preventing a bluff from being called; I may not be explaining this very well, but I see Confederate Cuba as being '"Acquired in a fit of the absence of mind" in the classic British mould (the actions of men on the ground putting the government in a very awkward position which somehow obliges them to take responsibility for the lands acquired).

As I am unsure if I have explained this whole business very well, please feel free to ask for or (better still!) suggest clarifications which will help clear up this whole mess.


- At this point I am very aware that my outline of events has turned out to be somewhat ragged, so here it is again in a nutshell; a Cuban War of Independence breaks out and thanks to the assistance of Confederates (but not through the actions of the Confederate Government) is successful to the point of driving local Royalist Forces off the Island - The Spanish Government, however, is more than willing to retake the Island and dispatches a Task Force.

The Cubans send a request to any nearby parties (CSA, USA, UK) for assistance in the face of The Oppressor mounting a return engagement - the CSA is more interested in taking an active part than anyone else but its relative Naval Weakness and the fact Great Britain has declined to commit itself (there being as yet no alliance between these Nations and the issue of slavery to come in between them), not to mention the problem of division between the Cuban Revolutionaries adding extra difficulties (not least due to the emancipationist tendencies of the Cuban leadership) and all this ,along with a keen awareness of the relative weakness of the Confederate Government, as opposed to the Confederate States causes The Confederacy to take a wait-and-see approach for now.

The US Government isn't particularly interested in foreign adventures (although some US Citizens are) and the United Kingdom is interested only insomuch as they are determined to ensure that none of this bloodshed spills over onto the West Indies - The Spanish are making a beeline for Cuba, presumably hollering "Santiago! Santiago!" with an enthusiasm fit to drown out the Rebel Yells of the Filibusters.

Then things go VERY wrong for the Spanish through an Act of God (a tropical storm, methinks), followed by an abortive landing in Cuba which is repelled only after it hits a brick wall in the form of some substantial Coastal Defences.

At this point in the Great Game the Confederate President shows his hand and while he's playing out a bluff, the Spanish reluctantly decide not to call it, preferring to cash their chips in before they're flat broke; after a period of prolonged negotiation and saber-rattling they agree to place a price of Three Million on Cuba and their Honour, accept payment and leave (doubtless plotting an eventual return that turns out to be thwarted by the Second Mexican War, the Anglo-Confederate Alliance and the admission of Cuba as a Confederate State). Now the Confederates have Cuba … at least in theory.


- My take on things is that the question of Cuba's precise relationship with the Confederate States remains a vexing one; I'm inclined to suspect that the Confederacy initially accepts Cuban Independence as a separate Republic, but that the Filibusters on the mainland and the Annexationists on Cuba are working to make it impossible to avoid opening up negotiations for Confederate Annexation of Cuba, although I'd guess that the USA, the UK and Cuban Emancipationists are far from keen on the idea.

It might be interesting to suggest that it was the threat of a Spanish Return which fuelled the build-up that allowed the Confederate Army to fight above its weight during the Second Mexican War, as well as meet the United States in a rather more coherent fashion than it had during the War of Secession.

Now I'd guess that in the wake of the Confederate purchase of Cuba (sometime in the late 1870s), relations between the Island and the Mainland hit an awkward point; at this point Annexation is a racing certainty - which pleases some but not All - but looks likely to be an awkward proposition given lingering Cuban resistance to the idea and the increasing anger of the United States over the whole business.

Part of the fuel which fires the Republicans into office and ignites the Second Mexican War before the USA are ready to fight it would in fact be the opposition to the annexation of Cuba; I wonder if the Confederate desire to annex Sonora and Chihuahua (but NOT Baja California) was the interest in strengthening the Mexican Empire in order to make it less likely that the Emperor of Mexico could be bribed by the King of Spain into supporting his efforts to regain Cuba (a tricky proposition for the Confederates, especially if the United States could be persuaded to throw its hat into the ring to secure its revenge on the Confederacy - at the least a Confederacy stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific would be harder to outflank).


- This article has proven longer than I had anticipated; I'll close here by repeating my conviction that the Annexation of Cuba is best treated as a warm-up to the Second Mexican War (at least from Our Perspective, as opposed to an In-Universe perspective).

I'd like to show that lessons learned through the tricky process of removing Spain from Cuba, in terms of the importance of Foreign Allies (the lack of them left the CSA in an awkward fix), as well as a more modern military, the usefulness of a defensive strategy and the recognition of Slavery as increasingly an albatross around the neck of every Confederate would doubtless be the principal points.

I'd also like to think that working experience with Hispanic Cubans also proved vital as a lasting example of what could be achieved through the treatment of such people as honourable allies from the first, rather than contemptible inferiors (to the point of toleration, if nothing else) would also prove crucial; I'm also quite fond of the idea that the Cuban Republic manumitted its slaves before the CSA as a whole did - possibly for exactly the same reason, securing British Support - while this would make annexation more awkward, it might also spark the idea of a Manumission Amendment as a means of securing British Support for the CSA (Quid Pro Quo) at some later date.

Especially if this Manumission were to prove that the reaction of Slaves to being Freed by their masters en masse would NOT be to enact the uglier parts of BIRTH OF A NATION.


In conclusion I heartily proclaim my support for the notion that Cuba was an Independent Republic before it was a Confederate State, but that the CSA played such a crucial role in securing its Independence that the Annexation Lobby was strengthened to the point where it became impossible to resist it, in the process allowing the CSA to draw lessons which would prove crucial to its success in The Second Mexican War.

I hope that you will come to agree, oh fellow contributors!
 
By the way consideration of the Cuban flag (of a design which in fact pre-dates the T-191 Point of Divergence), which I believe is used as the State Flag in much the same way that the flag of the Texan Republic became the State Flag of Texas, has also moved me to contemplate just what flags would be employed by the Confederate States of Chihuahua and Sonora (not to mention the other Confederate States, but I'll limit myself to those three for now, in the interests of being able to eat my dinner sooner rather than Late):-

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^I believe that you will all be at least passingly familiar with the Cuban flag seen above.^

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^Now we are all less familiar with the Provincial flag of Sonora, so I would like to point out here that the image above does not depict it - that is the flag of the Republic of Sonora, which is much less awkward-looking and far more 'Confederate' as a result, hence my preference for using it (along with the involvement of William Walker in the creation of that Republic).^

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^The actual Sonoran Flag may be found here.^

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^This is the State Flag of Chihuahua; I'm not very keen on it either and I think you'll see why at the other end of this link.^

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^This is the flag of the Rio Grande Republic; it has nothing to do with Chihuahua, but is is a rather striking design and my sense of humour is such that I find the idea of a 1-2-3 theme running through the flags of the Hispanic Confederate States the perfect excuse to advocate the use of these flags in preference to any others.^


Please forgive me for my whimsical use and misuse of flags!:D
 
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