My only qualm with this: weren't the U.S. the first to use paratroopers during the assault on Missionary Ridge and Lookout Mountain in 1943? How could the British be using them two years earlier?
TL-191: Filling the Gaps
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My only qualm with this: weren't the U.S. the first to use paratroopers during the assault on Missionary Ridge and Lookout Mountain in 1943? How could the British be using them two years earlier?
IMO those numbers are probably too low, since they're lower than the number of GWI deaths given in the books, "a bit over a million".
Ficboy
Banned
OOC: Keep in mind, I'm using most of the extensive TL-191: After the End as a model for this article
Dixielands:
Dixieland is the general term used to describe ethnic conclaves inhabited by people of Southern descent located outside of the former Confederate States, usually located in American urban neighborhoods above the Mason-Dixon Line. Many of these "Dixielands" tend to be poverty-stricken ghettos with high rates of crimes and unemployment given the stigma associated with the Confederates after the Second Great War and the Population Reduction. The common characteristics of these neighborhoods are the prominent display of pre-Freedom Party Confederate imagery such as the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag, architecture based on the antebellum era of the Union and shops selling Southern-made products such as food and beverage. Typically Dixielands tend to be modelled off a specific Southern city be it Richmond, New Orleans, Atlanta or Louisville as a reminder of their former home and to make it stand out from the other ethnic neighborhoods of Northern cities.
Confederate Americans began migrating en masse to the North in the 1990s as a result of the destruction of the Southern agricultural industry due to a long drought as well as a lack of job opportunities. The first Dixielands began to form in the 1990s in cities such as Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco and Seattle. Soon more would emerge across the United States and some even spread to Texas (an ex-Confederate state), Canada, Quebec (at least for French-descended Southerners such as the Cajuns of Louisiana and the Huguenots of South Carolina) and Mexico.
The existence of the Dixielands have become otherwise controversial amongst African-American civic groups for its small monuments dedicated to Confederate soldiers and important figures such as Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee given that every monument dedicated to them was destroyed by the United States since 1944 at the end of the Second Great War. Protesters and demonstrators have frequently targeted these places for what they perceive to be an inherently racist regime and often clash with local residents but regardless the Dixielands have become the last remnant of the Old South.
Dixielands:
Dixieland is the general term used to describe ethnic conclaves inhabited by people of Southern descent located outside of the former Confederate States, usually located in American urban neighborhoods above the Mason-Dixon Line. Many of these "Dixielands" tend to be poverty-stricken ghettos with high rates of crimes and unemployment given the stigma associated with the Confederates after the Second Great War and the Population Reduction. The common characteristics of these neighborhoods are the prominent display of pre-Freedom Party Confederate imagery such as the Army of Northern Virginia battle flag, architecture based on the antebellum era of the Union and shops selling Southern-made products such as food and beverage. Typically Dixielands tend to be modelled off a specific Southern city be it Richmond, New Orleans, Atlanta or Louisville as a reminder of their former home and to make it stand out from the other ethnic neighborhoods of Northern cities.
Confederate Americans began migrating en masse to the North in the 1990s as a result of the destruction of the Southern agricultural industry due to a long drought as well as a lack of job opportunities. The first Dixielands began to form in the 1990s in cities such as Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York City, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco and Seattle. Soon more would emerge across the United States and some even spread to Texas (an ex-Confederate state), Canada, Quebec (at least for French-descended Southerners such as the Cajuns of Louisiana and the Huguenots of South Carolina) and Mexico.
The existence of the Dixielands have become otherwise controversial amongst African-American civic groups for its small monuments dedicated to Confederate soldiers and important figures such as Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee given that every monument dedicated to them was destroyed by the United States since 1944 at the end of the Second Great War. Protesters and demonstrators have frequently targeted these places for what they perceive to be an inherently racist regime and often clash with local residents but regardless the Dixielands have become the last remnant of the Old South.
Hi. I haven't contributed to this thread in a while, but I plan to do so again in the near future. I especially want to write articles and leader lists about the major and minor countries of TL-191.
In the meantime, I edited my articles on the Empire of Brazil based on some new info from the Timeline 191 mod for HOI4.
While I'm here, I'll also post this relevant list.
List of Emperors of the Empire of Brazil
Dom Pedro I (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1822-1831)
Dom Pedro II (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1831-1891)
Dom Pedro III (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1891-1913)
Dom Pedro IV (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1913-1937)
Dom Pedro V (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1937-2000) [1]
Dom Pedro VI (House of Orléans-Braganza) (2000- ) [2]
[1] = TTL's version of Prince Pedro Gastão of Orléans-Braganza, with him and his two other siblings all having been born three years earlier than they were IOTL.
[2] = TTL's version of Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza.
Here are links to the articles and the teaser for Brazil in the mod I based on edits on.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-56#post-10119280
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-56#post-10120863
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...iscussion-thread.463716/page-14#post-20999238
In the meantime, I edited my articles on the Empire of Brazil based on some new info from the Timeline 191 mod for HOI4.
While I'm here, I'll also post this relevant list.
List of Emperors of the Empire of Brazil
Dom Pedro I (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1822-1831)
Dom Pedro II (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1831-1891)
Dom Pedro III (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1891-1913)
Dom Pedro IV (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1913-1937)
Dom Pedro V (House of Orléans-Braganza) (1937-2000) [1]
Dom Pedro VI (House of Orléans-Braganza) (2000- ) [2]
[1] = TTL's version of Prince Pedro Gastão of Orléans-Braganza, with him and his two other siblings all having been born three years earlier than they were IOTL.
[2] = TTL's version of Prince Pedro Carlos of Orléans-Braganza.
Here are links to the articles and the teaser for Brazil in the mod I based on edits on.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-56#post-10119280
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-filling-the-gaps.148857/page-56#post-10120863
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...iscussion-thread.463716/page-14#post-20999238
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I see the House of Orléans-Braganza is keeping up with the standard of naming creativity set by their progenitors, the Bourbons.
Postwar US Presidents in Hoi4 Portrait form
34. Thomas Dewey (Democratic) (1945-1953)
35. Irving Morrell (Democratic) (1953-1961)
36. Hubert H. Humphrey III (Socialist) (1961-1969)
37. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (Democrat) (1969-1973)
38. Joshua Blackford (Socialist) (1973-1985)
39. Walter Mondale (Republican) (1985-1991) *
40. George McGovern (Republican) (1991) †
41. George Bush Sr. (National Unity) (1991-2001)
42. Hillary Rodham (National Unity) (2001-)
† Died in office
* Resigned
34. Thomas Dewey (Democratic) (1945-1953)
35. Irving Morrell (Democratic) (1953-1961)
36. Hubert H. Humphrey III (Socialist) (1961-1969)
37. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (Democrat) (1969-1973)
38. Joshua Blackford (Socialist) (1973-1985)
39. Walter Mondale (Republican) (1985-1991) *
40. George McGovern (Republican) (1991) †
41. George Bush Sr. (National Unity) (1991-2001)
42. Hillary Rodham (National Unity) (2001-)
† Died in office
* Resigned
Today as I was watching a TV program about how Christmas was celebrated in Europe, I had a thought in my mind on how could Christmas be celebrated in both ITTL's USA and in the CSA, in which how could Christmas celebration in the two countries would be similar, and what things could be different?
Late American Imperial Politics (1972-1991)
At the outset of the 1970s, the German Empire, the great rival of the United States, was perceived to be on its knees. From the final defeat of the Tzar in Russia to the abolition of the monarchy by Prime Minister Benn's Labour-Communist "Popular Front" in Britain, and the (at least de jure) independence of many of Germany's own holdings in Africa, an American victory in the "Shadow War" was viewed almost as inevitable.
In the span of less than 20 years it all came tumbling down.
Part 1 - The 1972 U.S. Presidential Election
Even the least astute of observers could easily read the writing on the wall. From corruption unrivalled by any other administration in recent history to acquittal by one vote in his impeachment trial, President Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.'s days were numbered. The Socialists, having recaptured both houses of Congress in 1970, were not faced with a hard choice in terms of finding their nominee in what would be a wipeout year. Pennsylvania Governor and former Secretary of State Joshua Blackford, runner up for the 1968 nomination, was the clear choice from the very beginning. Though facing minor challenges from Senators Gus Halberg to the left and George McGovern to the right, Blackford's platform of a return to the days of Humphrey and "strong and secure" Socialist economic policy resonated with voters in the primaries, and Blackford was nominated on the first ballot.
As for his choice for Vice President, Blackford was widely expected to pick either former Vice President and 1968 Socialist nominee Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson from the right, House Speaker Michael Harrington from the centre, or Senator (and primary opponent) Gus Halberg from the rising Browderist left. It came as a shock to many in the party when Blackford chose McGovern, his other primary challenger, for the Vice Presidency. Widely viewed as dovish especially when compared to Blackford, as well as more moderate on domestic policy, the choice of McGovern was made both to balance the ticket and because Blackford personally liked McGovern, the two being friends from their brief time in the House together.
The Republicans, still lacking a post-Stassen uniting figure, chose Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy, a rather unknown figure, though rising in stardom. Illinois representative Charles H. Percy rounded out the Republican ticket, which would end up netting the greatest Republican vote share since before 1900.
On the campaign trail, Blackford campaigned extremely actively in spite of his 10 point lead against Kennedy, with the President taking a back seat, perhaps at the behest of his Party to avoid dragging down-ballot candidates down. For most of the latter half of the year the campaign was uneventful, with something approximating a 50-40-10 polling split between Blackford, Kennedy, and McCarthy. Democratic leaders were hopeful that Blackford failing to crack 50% of the vote would leave the party in a well enough state to rebound in Blackford's first term.
That was until the letter.
"Mr. Featherston is building a spirit in his men that would be envied in any country.... This spirit would very quickly be turned into a war spirit, but Featherston has things well under control.... [Featherston] saw the need of a common enemy.... Someone, by whose riddance, the Confederates would feel that they had cast out the cause of their predicament.... It is extremely sad, that noted professors, scientists, artists, etc. should have to suffer, but as you can see, it would be practically impossible to throw out only a part of them, from both the practical and psychological point of view."
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. - 1935, after visiting Richmond
To this day it is unknown who leaked the infamous "Richmond letter", and many at first doubted its authenticity. When all was said and done, and it had been confirmed as actual correspondence by the Press, the damage to not only President Kennedy but the Democratic Party at large was unmistakable. Kennedy's support was cut in half, and many Democratic leaders, including even the steadfast Senate Minority Leader Richard Nixon, who had saved Kennedy from conviction in the senate, abandoned him.
And so, 12 days later, on November 7, 1972, the American People went to the polls...
It was nothing short of a bloodbath.
Gov. Joshua Blackford (S/PA)/ Sen. George S. McGovern (S/DA): 634 electoral votes
Pres. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D/MA)/VP. Spiro Agnew (D/MD): 12 electoral votes
Sen. Eugene McCarthy (R/MN)/Rep. Charles H. Percy (R/IL): 10 electoral votes
(Credit to @lord caedus and @Turquoise Blue for the original electoral map, I've basically just recoloured it, they did all the real work.)
At the outset of the 1970s, the German Empire, the great rival of the United States, was perceived to be on its knees. From the final defeat of the Tzar in Russia to the abolition of the monarchy by Prime Minister Benn's Labour-Communist "Popular Front" in Britain, and the (at least de jure) independence of many of Germany's own holdings in Africa, an American victory in the "Shadow War" was viewed almost as inevitable.
In the span of less than 20 years it all came tumbling down.
Part 1 - The 1972 U.S. Presidential Election
Even the least astute of observers could easily read the writing on the wall. From corruption unrivalled by any other administration in recent history to acquittal by one vote in his impeachment trial, President Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.'s days were numbered. The Socialists, having recaptured both houses of Congress in 1970, were not faced with a hard choice in terms of finding their nominee in what would be a wipeout year. Pennsylvania Governor and former Secretary of State Joshua Blackford, runner up for the 1968 nomination, was the clear choice from the very beginning. Though facing minor challenges from Senators Gus Halberg to the left and George McGovern to the right, Blackford's platform of a return to the days of Humphrey and "strong and secure" Socialist economic policy resonated with voters in the primaries, and Blackford was nominated on the first ballot.
As for his choice for Vice President, Blackford was widely expected to pick either former Vice President and 1968 Socialist nominee Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson from the right, House Speaker Michael Harrington from the centre, or Senator (and primary opponent) Gus Halberg from the rising Browderist left. It came as a shock to many in the party when Blackford chose McGovern, his other primary challenger, for the Vice Presidency. Widely viewed as dovish especially when compared to Blackford, as well as more moderate on domestic policy, the choice of McGovern was made both to balance the ticket and because Blackford personally liked McGovern, the two being friends from their brief time in the House together.
The Republicans, still lacking a post-Stassen uniting figure, chose Minnesota Senator Eugene McCarthy, a rather unknown figure, though rising in stardom. Illinois representative Charles H. Percy rounded out the Republican ticket, which would end up netting the greatest Republican vote share since before 1900.
On the campaign trail, Blackford campaigned extremely actively in spite of his 10 point lead against Kennedy, with the President taking a back seat, perhaps at the behest of his Party to avoid dragging down-ballot candidates down. For most of the latter half of the year the campaign was uneventful, with something approximating a 50-40-10 polling split between Blackford, Kennedy, and McCarthy. Democratic leaders were hopeful that Blackford failing to crack 50% of the vote would leave the party in a well enough state to rebound in Blackford's first term.
That was until the letter.
"Mr. Featherston is building a spirit in his men that would be envied in any country.... This spirit would very quickly be turned into a war spirit, but Featherston has things well under control.... [Featherston] saw the need of a common enemy.... Someone, by whose riddance, the Confederates would feel that they had cast out the cause of their predicament.... It is extremely sad, that noted professors, scientists, artists, etc. should have to suffer, but as you can see, it would be practically impossible to throw out only a part of them, from both the practical and psychological point of view."
Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. - 1935, after visiting Richmond
To this day it is unknown who leaked the infamous "Richmond letter", and many at first doubted its authenticity. When all was said and done, and it had been confirmed as actual correspondence by the Press, the damage to not only President Kennedy but the Democratic Party at large was unmistakable. Kennedy's support was cut in half, and many Democratic leaders, including even the steadfast Senate Minority Leader Richard Nixon, who had saved Kennedy from conviction in the senate, abandoned him.
And so, 12 days later, on November 7, 1972, the American People went to the polls...
It was nothing short of a bloodbath.
Gov. Joshua Blackford (S/PA)/ Sen. George S. McGovern (S/DA): 634 electoral votes
Pres. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (D/MA)/VP. Spiro Agnew (D/MD): 12 electoral votes
Sen. Eugene McCarthy (R/MN)/Rep. Charles H. Percy (R/IL): 10 electoral votes
(Credit to @lord caedus and @Turquoise Blue for the original electoral map, I've basically just recoloured it, they did all the real work.)
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He has a travel show called "Rick Steve's Europe " along with several books on travel
MaxGerke01
Banned
Any plans to continue your Tl-191 timeline from 1914 ?Central American and Caribbean Dictators of TL-191
*Something I thought of. Lots of head canons. I apologize for not knowing enough Central American History to write more details.
Brief History
French map of the Federal Republic of Central America (Yellow Borders, before Chiapas became part of Mexico)
After the end of the War of Secession in 1862, there were a total of three attempts to reintroduce a Central American Union among the countries of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica. Previously a part the First Mexican Empire forty years ago, the Central American countries declared independence and formed the United Provinces of Central America. The nation only lasted for less than twenty years until its dissolution in 1841. Some men, such as Francisco Morazán and William Walker, tried to reunify Central America, but ultimately failed or the reunion lasted temporarily.
The emergence of the Confederate States of America caught the attention of the Central American countries. With the strong alliance made between the Mexican Empire and the CSA, the rest of Central America wondered what fate their respective nations would be during their interaction with a slave-holding, agrarian nation with the diplomatic backing of Britain and France. During the last half of the 19th Century, the Caribbean and Central American region were under the strong influence of Britain, the CSA and to a small extent, Mexico. Out of all the nations of Central America, Costa Rica enjoyed political stability and a peaceful democracy.
When the First Great War occurred, the Central American nations were officially neutral. However, they were economically and diplomatically inclined to support the Entente Powers in North America, with the exception of Costa Rica who usually maintained stronger diplomatic relations with the USA. The Central Powers winning the war surprised the Central American nations and reevaluated their interests with the victorious USA, the defeated CSA and Mexico, the newly formed country of Belize, and the absence of British diplomacy in North America.
During the Interbellum years, the CSA tried to re-establish connections with the Caribbean and Central America, which had little success due to USA interference and preference. It wasn’t until Featherston’s election to the Confederate Presidency that the region began to gravitate toward the grip of the CSA, mostly through the help of Confederate-owned fruit companies since the 19th Century and Confederate-supported dictatorships in Central America and the Caribbean.
When the Second Great War began, the nations of Central America also declared neutrality and were likewise economically sympathetic to the CSA. The dictators of Central America at the time copied their government and policies similar to that of Featherston, albeit with a lack of racial genocide. The exception was Trujillo from the Dominican Republic, who contributed to the Population Reduction in Haiti. Their reigns were often noted for bringing in regional stability, industrialization, infrastructure and wealth to their respective countries, however, the money would always go primarily to the elite, never being used to help the poorest of the poor.
At the end of the Second Great War, it was revealed that many Confederate businesses and businessmen in Central America were heavily involved in Featherston’s Confederacy. Under the banner of Defreedomitization, many of these companies and their CEO’s were shut down and arrested for their Freedomite connections, including government officials from nearly every Central American nation. What was left in Central America was a power vacuum that the USA or Mexico sought to exploit and control.
Guatemala
Jorge Ubico Castañeda (President of Guatemala: February 14, 1931 – October 19, 1944)
Known as "Central America's Napoleon", Ubico had financial connections with the Confederate Citrus Fruit Company, initially a shell company that dealt with secret military C.S. planes, but he made it into a more legitimate business, alongside Valentine Bros. News of the Population Reduction and the people of Guatemala no longer being able to tolerate Ubico's excess rule helped add momentum to the Guatemalan Revolution in October of 1944. He was hounded by the revolutionary mob, beaten, and hanged to death. He was never tried for his connections to the Freedomites.
El Salvador
Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (President of El Salvador: March 1, 1935 – May 1, 1944)
Hernández Martínez was known for his killing of Salvadoran Socialists during reign. Although not directly involved with the Freedomites, the land-owning oligarchs had some connections with the C.S. government before Featherston's rise to power and after it. Hernández Martínez would eventually be overthrown during a putsch and killed on May Day in 1944.
Honduras
Tiburcio Carías Andino (President of Nicaragua: February 1, 1933 – January 1, 1949)
The least affected by Featherston, Carías Andino nevertheless ruled Nicaragua as a strong, military leader. He was brought to national attention when it was discovered that former Freedomites were living in his country, causing a scandal that forced him to resign his presidency and live out the rest of his life in seclusion until 1969.
Nicaragua
Anastasio Somoza García (President of Nicaragua: January 1, 1937 – May 5, 1945)
Similar to Carías Andino, former Freedomites were found to be living in his country after the end of the Second Great War. However, Somoza García was actively involved in smuggling in Freedomites and giving them citizenship and other types of government help since 1943. The United States demanded the lives of the Freedomites and for the president to resign. Somoza García was found dead in his office with his throat completely cut open to the point that only his vertebrae remained connected between his head and neck. The killer was never found but the prevailing theory is that his death was done by the U.S. government.
Dominican Republic
Rafael Trujillo (President of the Domincan Republic: August 16, 1930- January 1, 1945)
Often called the "Caribbean Featherston", Trujillo was the most active in his support for Featherston's Confederacy. Already prejudiced against Haitians, Trujillo gained the attention of Featherston when he perpetrated the Parsley Massacre in 1937 against Haitians in the Dominican Republic. During Operation Blackbeard, Trujillo invaded Haiti from the east, while the Confederates invaded from the west. In less than a day, Haiti was completely conquered and both Confederate and Dominican forces indiscriminately killed every black-skinned person they could find. Once Haiti was liberated, the Dominican Republic was invaded by U.S. forces, occupied, and Trujillo was captured. He was later put on trial for crimes against humanity and executed by firing squad at midnight on the first day of 1945.
MaxGerke01
Banned
The CSA would be much more likely to ban it as even OTL several southern states were already dry before Prohibition went into effect nationwide...