TL-191: Filling the Gaps

After the Richmond Olympics in 1936, where were following summer Games held?

The Olympic Games

The 1896 Olympics Games, held in Athens, were a smashing success, and plans were immediately laid for another Olympiad in four years. The athletes preferred to keep the games in Greece every year, but the International Olympic Committee, with an eye on international fundraising and participation, chose to rotate the host city. Paris, the jewel of Europe, was an obvious choice for the second Games. This would coincide with the World's Fair, which was thought to be a major convenience.

Instead, it was a disaster, as the Fair overwhelmed the Games, which struggled for attention among that summer's myriad other exhibitions. Chicago was considered the prohibitive favorite for the 1904 Games, but strident opposition from the Confederate delegation under David Francis of Kentucky scuttled that. Francis threatened to hold a separate series of games at the Atlanta World's Fair that year. The IOC solved the problem by awarding the Games to neither country, but to Berlin instead. These games went off largely without a hitch, as did the 1908 Games in London.

The US finally got its wish in 1912, when New York was awarded the games. (Governor Theodore Roosevelt, himself an enthusiastic sportsman, was omnipresent at this event).

The 1916 Games, due to be held in Brussels, were cancelled due to the outbreak of the Great War. The 1920 Games proved a thorny issue, as neither the Entente nations nor the Alliance wanted them held in the territory of a former enemy. They were consequently held in Amsterdam, Netherlands, and were followed in 1924 by the Rome Games.

In 1926, the IOC created the Winter Games, which were held in Stockholm, Sweden. In addition to satisfying the demands of winter athletes, doubling the number of games allowed the IOC to break the deadlock between Alliance and Entente nations, allowing for easy rotation of host nations (with neutrals thrown in for good measure). Berlin was awarded the 1928 Summer Olympics, followed by the 1930 Winter Olympics in Sapporo, Japan.

Both the USA (Los Angeles) and CSA (Richmond) made strong pitches for the 1932 Games, which were the last to be decided before the Collapse. With tensions over the war subsiding, it was expected that the impasse could be broken, but in the end they awarded to another neutral: Barcelona, Spain. The IOC, at its next plenary session, awarded the 1934 Winter Olympics to Lake Placid, United States, while the 1936 Olympic Games were to be held in Richmond.

This proved to be an embarrassment, as the Freedom Party rose to power a few years after the vote. But there was no precedent to revoke a host city's award, and any attempt to do so was blocked by the British and French delegations. The IOC did balk at Featherston's demand to ban black athletes from participating. (Ironically, the Richmond Olympics are now considered the organizational model by the national committees.)

With the Entente-Alliance deadlock seemingly a thing of the past, Chamonix, France hosted in 1938, followed by Vienna in 1940. However, 1942 and 1944 were both canceled due to the Second Great War. The 1942 Winter Games had been scheduled for Munich, Germany, and the 1944 Summer Games were to return to Paris, France, which will not be holding any events soon.

The 1946 Winter Games were held in Munich, to make amends for 1942. The 1948 Summer Olympics were held in Athens (a move to unify the IOC), and Los Angeles won the 1952 Games, succeeding where they had failed twenty years earlier. For the foreseeable future, it is unlikely that any Entente nations, save perhaps Japan, will be hosting the Olympics.

The leading contenders for the 1956 Summer Olympics include Istanbul, Budapest, and Rio de Janeiro (which is hoping to host the first Latin American games). The United States, which does not seriously expect to be awarded, will put forward Habana, Cuba.

As of 1949, Germany leads all nations in medals, followed by France and the United States.

Summer Games

1896: Athens
1900: Paris
1904: Berlin
1908: London
1912: New York
1916: Brussels (cancelled)
1920: Amsterdam
1924: Rome
1928: Berlin
1932: Barcelona
1936: Richmond
1940: Vienna
1944: Paris (cancelled)
1948: Athens
1952: Los Angeles (scheduled)


Winter Games:
1926: Stockholm
1930: Sapporo
1934: Lake Placid
1938: Chamonix
1942: Munich (cancelled)
1946: Munich
1950: Sarajevo (scheduled)

 
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Wolfpaw

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Then again, half of Maine was annexed to Canada after the Second Mexican War, so it would seem likely that the state would vote Democrat so they could atleast attempt to get it back if there was another war (Great War).
Oh, I agree 100%. I'm just saying that it's gonna stay a solidly Republican state from 1856 until 1880. After that it will probably embrace the Remembrance ideology which, as we know, was spearheaded by Republicans who became Democrats after the SMW.
 
Then again, half of Maine was annexed to Canada after the Second Mexican War, so it would seem likely that the state would vote Democrat so they could atleast attempt to get it back if there was another war (Great War).

I have Thomas Reed (D-ME) becoming Speaker of the House in 1883 and President in 1889 on just that platform.

Later on, in the 1920s, someone makes a reference to "rock-ribbed New England Democrats," so the region does indeed swing away from the GOP.
 
Supreme Court Justices

United States

Roger Taney: 1836-1864. Wrote the famous Dred Scott decision, helping to spark the War of Secession, and affirmed that the government could not hold citizens without trial.

Edward Bates: 1864-1869. Previously Lincoln's Attorney General, his Court denied that secession was legal, but recognized the right to revolution. Utah separatists would later cite his opinion.

Jeremiah Black: 1869-1883. The Black Court established that states could establish personal jurisdiction over anyone within their territory, and confirmed that polygamy could be outlawed.

James Garfield: 1883-1889. The last Republican Chief Justice, he wrote the opinion overturning the first income tax in US history, prompting a Constitutional amendment.

Henry Billings Brown: 1889-1895. Brown was assassinated by a socialist named Alexander Berkman, in retaliation for a decision denying the right to form a union. This may be the origin of the phrase "bomb-throwing radical."

Joseph McKenna: 1895-1915. The father of TR's Vice-President, he affirmed the use of discriminatory "black codes" in the US, and supported rationing laws.

Oliver Wendell Holmes: 1915-1935. Early in his tenure, the Holmes Court was quite conservative. Many of his later decisions show a leftward shift; for instance, he refused to strike down the Sinclair social reforms, using a new interpretation of the Commerce Clause.

Cicero Pittman: 1935-1947. Pittman, one of the first Democratic Justices appointed in years, was out of step with most of his Court. He wrote an opinion affirming the existence of a federal common law.

Omar Bradley: 1947- Bradley, despite being a Democratic appointee, has taken an expansive view of personal liberty. He has consistently upheld the Civil Rights Act of 1945 under the Privileges and Immunities Clause, and has steadily expanded Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.

Confederate States

James Mason: 1863-1871. Campbell was the first Confederate Chief Justice, and refused to deny American citizens the right to sue Confederates. He also upheld several foreign slave-trading convictions, which was banned under the Confederate Constitution.

John Campbell: 1873-1886. Campbell affirmed the power of Congress to limit white immigration to the Indian Territory, and dealt with several issues involving states impeaching Confederate officials.

L.Q.C. Lamar: 1887-1893. The Lamar Court upheld the Manumission Amendment, over Lamar's dissenting votes. He upheld the right of states to strictly regulate the conduct of "residents" within their territory.

John Harlan: 1893-1911. Perhaps the most liberal Chief Justice in Confederate history, he upheld a permissive reading of the power of Congress to tax and spend under Art. I, Sec. 8.

Edward Douglass White: 1911-1921. White is perhaps most notable for decisions defending the detention of seditious persons, limiting the freedom of speech, and the expanded use of searches and seizures. Late in his career, the White Court affirmed that states had the right to relax laws governing Negroes.

James Clark McReynolds: 1921-1935. The final Chief Justice, McReynolds struck down a Freedom Party river and dams act (this was stretching jurisprudence to the limit, as Courts dating back to Harlan had nibbled away at the Internal Improvements Clause). Featherston used this as an excuse to abolish the Court.
 
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Could L.C.Q. Lamar be nominated to the Supreme Court while serving as James Longstreet's Vice President? Maybe he could, I'm not sure. But I know Judah P. Benjamin was the Confederate Ambassador to the U.S. during the Second Mexican War, so he couldn't be on the court at that time.
 
Could L.C.Q. Lamar be nominated to the Supreme Court while serving as James Longstreet's Vice President? Maybe he could, I'm not sure. But I know Judah P. Benjamin was the Confederate Ambassador to the U.S. during the Second Mexican War, so he couldn't be on the court at that time.

I'd forgotten about Benjamin being am ambassador - mostly because, no matter how important that post is, it's undeniably a step down in rank from the two Cabinet posts we know he held.

I moved Lamar to just after Longstreet's term.
 
The Lincoln Cabinet

Secretary of State

William Seward (1861-1862)
Edward Bates (1862-1864)
Charles Sumner (1864-1865)

Secretary of War

Simon Cameron (1861-1862)
Edwin Stanton (1862-1863)
Henry Winters Davis (1863-1865)

Secretary of the Treasury


Salmon Chase (1861-1864)
William Pitt Fessenden (1864-1865)

Attorney General

Edward Bates (1861-1862)
Montgomery Blair (1862-1864)
James Speed (1864-1865)

Postmaster General

Montgomery Blair (1861-1863)
Frederick T. Frelinghuysen (1863-1865)

Secretary of the Navy

Gideon Welles (1861-1864)
John P. Hale (1864-1865)

Secretary of the Interior

Caleb Smith (1861-1864)
John Usher (1864-1865)
 
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Ya, Benjamin is kind of better than that. Oh, and what does happen to Seward? Along with Lincoln, he was one of the top leaders of the Republicans. I think Salmon Chase is a good candidate for the 1868 election as posted before, but Seward would definately try to win it for himself.
 
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Ya, Benjamin is kind of better than that. Oh, and what does have to Seward? Along with Lincoln, he was one of the top leaders of the Republicans. I think Salmon Chase is a good candidate for the 1868 election as posted before, but Seward would definately try to win it for himself.

IOTL, Seward seems to have lost his ambition for the Presidency sometime before the POD - witness his devotion to Lincoln, his onetime rival, during the later years of the war.

In Dec. 1862, the Radical Republicans attempted to force a reorganization of the Cabinet, but Lincoln, with an unwitting assist from Chase, outmaneuvered them. With Lincoln greatly weakened here, they succeed in forcing Seward out. That's not the end of his career, though.
 

bguy

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(I still think keeping Hamlin is a boring and illogical choice, but this is HT's story, not mine.)

I'll actually defend HT on this one, since I can see at least 2 valid reasons for Lincoln keeping Hamlin.

1) Hamlin is friendly with the Radicals, so keeping him on the ticket helps keep them onboard. Otherwise Lincoln has a split party in addition to all his other problems going into the election.

2) Who else would even want the job at this point? The GOP is just going through the motions in 1864. Lincoln is obviously going to lose and lose big. Why would ambitious up and comers want to be shackled to his doomed campaign and destroy their political futures? Whereas Hamlin has nothing to lose. He is already damaged goods anyway from being Lincoln's Veep, so better for him to take the hit and allow people like Wade, Colfax, Chandler and the Blairs to live to fight another day.
 
The Olympic Games

The 1896 Olympics Games, held in Athens, were a smashing success, and plans were immediately laid for another Olympiad in four years. The athletes preferred to keep the games in Greece every year, but the International Olympic Committee, with an eye on international fundraising and participation, chose to rotate the host city. Paris, the jewel of Europe, was an obvious choice for the second Games. This would coincide with the World's Fair, which was thought to be a major convenience.

Instead, it was a disaster, as the Fair overwhelmed the Games, which struggled for attention among that summer's myriad other exhibitions. Chicago was considered the prohibitive favorite for the 1904 Games, but strident opposition from the Confederate delegation under David Francis of Kentucky scuttled that. Francis threatened to hold a separate series of games at the Atlanta World's Fair that year. The IOC solved the problem by awarding the Games to neither country, but to Berlin instead. These games went off largely without a hitch, as did the 1908 Games in London.

The US finally got its wish in 1912, when New York was awarded the games. (Governor Theodore Roosevelt, himself an enthusiastic sportsman, was omnipresent at this event).

The 1916 Games, due to be held in Brussels, were cancelled due to the outbreak of the Great War. The 1920 Games proved a thorny issue, as neither the Entente nations nor the Alliance wanted them held in the territory of a former enemy. They were consequently held in Amsterdam, Netherlands, and were followed in 1924 by the Rome Games.

In 1926, the IOC created the Winter Games, which were held in Stockholm, Sweden. In addition to satisfying the demands of winter athletes, doubling the number of games allowed the IOC to break the deadlock between Alliance and Entente nations, allowing for easy rotation of host nations (with neutrals thrown in for good measure). Berlin was awarded the 1928 Summer Olympics, followed by the 1930 Winter Olympics in Sapporo, Japan.

Both the USA (Los Angeles) and CSA (Richmond) made strong pitches for the 1932 Games, which were the last to be decided before the Collapse. With tensions over the war subsiding, it was expected that the impasse could be broken, but in the end they awarded to another neutral: Barcelona, Spain. The IOC, at its next plenary session, awarded the 1934 Winter Olympics to Lake Placid, United States, while the 1936 Olympic Games were to be held in Richmond.

This proved to be an embarrassment, as the Freedom Party rose to power a few years after the vote. But there was no precedent to revoke a host city's award, and any attempt to do so was blocked by the British and French delegations. The IOC did balk at Featherston's demand to ban black athletes from participating. (Ironically, the Richmond Olympics are now considered the organizational model by the national committees.)

With the Entente-Alliance deadlock seemingly a thing of the past, Chamonix, France hosted in 1938, followed by Vienna in 1940. However, 1942 and 1944 were both canceled due to the Second Great War. The 1942 Winter Games had been scheduled for Munich, Germany, and the 1944 Summer Games were to return to Paris, France, which will not be holding any events soon.

The 1946 Winter Games were held in Munich, to make amends for 1942. The 1948 Summer Olympics were held in Los Angeles, which had lost out on the Games sixteen years earlier. For the foreseeable future, it is unlikely that any Entente nations, save perhaps Japan, will be hosting the Olympics.

The leading contenders for the 1956 Summer Olympics include Istanbul, Budapest, and Rio de Janeiro (which is hoping to host the first Latin American games). The United States, which does not seriously expect to be awarded, will put forward Habana, Cuba.

As of 1949, Germany leads all nations in medals, followed by France and the United States.

Summer Games

1896: Athens
1900: Paris
1904: Berlin
1908: London
1912: New York
1916: Brussels (cancelled)
1920: Amsterdam
1924: Rome
1928: Berlin
1932: Barcelona
1936: Richmond
1940: Vienna
1944: Paris (cancelled)
1948: Athens
1952: Los Angeles (scheduled)


Winter Games:
1926: Stockholm
1930: Sapporo
1934: Lake Placid
1938: Chamonix
1942: Munich (cancelled)
1946: Munich
1950: Sarajevo (scheduled)

Your narrative had the 1948 Games in Los Angeles but the list said Athens.
 
Your narrative had the 1948 Games in Los Angeles but the list said Athens.

Yeah, that was a left over from when I had to fix a different mistake.

I'll actually defend HT on this one, since I can see at least 2 valid reasons for Lincoln keeping Hamlin.

1) Hamlin is friendly with the Radicals, so keeping him on the ticket helps keep them onboard. Otherwise Lincoln has a split party in addition to all his other problems going into the election.

That's a good point - I had to come up with some way to neutralize the Radical threat before the convention, and keeping Hamlin (and elevating Sumner to State) is a good way to placate them.
2) Who else would even want the job at this point? The GOP is just going through the motions in 1864. Lincoln is obviously going to lose and lose big. Why would ambitious up and comers want to be shackled to his doomed campaign and destroy their political futures? Whereas Hamlin has nothing to lose. He is already damaged goods anyway from being Lincoln's Veep, so better for him to take the hit and allow people like Wade, Colfax, Chandler and the Blairs to live to fight another day.

I see the logic here, though it can also be said that running for VP in 1864, at the risk of associating yourself with a damaged brand, is a decent way for a young, ambitious Republican to get himself out there nationally, without having to actually waste four years as VP. Colfax, for one, never got to be Speaker in this TL, so this is a decent way for him to advance his career, a la FDR in 1920.

But it's certainly defensible, as you point out, so I can't justify changing it. But if I were actually rewriting it, this is one of the points I'd do over. (Speaking of FDR, I like the original explanation of his paralysis - a war injury - a lot better.)
 
This is apropos of nothing, but I had an idea for a TL within a a TL - where the United States wins the second round of warfare in the last 19th century. I'm just having some trouble deciding whether it's worth writing (I don't imagine it would be long) or how it could be presented (might be better for another thread).
 
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