TL-191: Featherston's Finest - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the CSA and Freedom Party

[CASSICTOR2]

Yes and no. While the Confederacy's society had the slave system and substequent second class "non-citizen" status of blacks as a core componently, saying that it existed simply to enslave people is extremely off the mark. It also misinterprets the traditional relationship between white southerners and blacks, which up until the Freedom Party was more one of paternal condescensionthan the mindless hatred you seem to assume.

Confederacy created because Southern States want to keep their Slaves and even wrote down in Reasons of Seceded in the first places behind of White Supremacy.
I get why you said it "Extremely off the Mark" there others reasons why the South leaves the Union, but it this still a Main reason why they leave.
In Otl, there was numerous Massacre and Lynching across the South by Southern Whites, that there even was Public Event that Whole Family to see a Dammed lynching.
If that shit was happened within the Union
Imagine if South as Independence County.

By the time of the Freedom Party taken over, There was already Suspension and Distrust over Blacks especially with the Red Rebellions still in living remembering.
It be even Easier to Target as the Enemy to Hated to Wide Public.

What I was refering to was that Southern partisans would use them in any sort of fighting. Both against US troops and against local collaborators. Partisans wouldn't have anything to do with the Population Reductions as they exist in territory already under US control. Likewise, militias wouldn't tend to be involved either, as it was almsot entirely a Freedom Party affair to eliminate the camp inmates.

All right, sorry I Misinterpret that with the Partisan thing.
The Militia things I disagree with, the Dixie militia would at least Understand what going with the Blacks.

I think half of the Militiamen would at least be Involved with Rounded up to send to Camps and Highly Small percent of them would Participate in the Massacre.

Its not quite the same as the dehumanization of Croats by Serbs and Serbs by Croats or Jews by Germans that existed in Europe, which is not defined by skin color and instead by centuries old feuds. The Freedom Party elimination of the black population is, again, similar to Hitlers views on the Jews, a rational (to him) means of saving the world by removing what he percieved as the greatest threat to civilzation. Likewise, the situation in the TL-191 South is more of a rational reaction to a twisted worldview than it is a deeply personal hatred that requires getting even in such a personal manner as throat slitting.

Don't you think that White and Black would have Centuries of feud’s as well.

Black slaves were Revolted until They were "Freed from Slavery" back when the Confederacy wasn't a even thing.
Yeah I know it One-sided, but it still long Centuries feud, Not levels of Hatred Serbs and Croatian tho.

Jews in Germany are more like with the African in Confederacy ( Even tho that Armenian in Turkey are more fitting with the African )
While Jews in Germany were hatred, they would least where Tolerance in Weimar society until Nazis taken over.

Jews could just Change their name and hide in the General Population.
Plus German Jews were Nationalists as the Average Germans citizens and even Joined the Kaiser army with Large Numbers to proof they are loyal to Germany.
Germany was Tolerated with Jews in all of Europe besides maybe England at the Time.
( I know Germany didn’t have a good track record with the Jews is not all that great at all, but still )

Blacks don't have that luxury.
You can't change your Skin color to been Hidden.
Unlike the Jews, most of the Blacks were poor in the Confederacy and it a lot easier to started Slaughter with them to Spotted.

Blacks didn't joined the War and even caused an Rebellions across the South when was War with the Union.
Southern thinking as them as Traitors and Leeches to their Dixieland, so it not possible that their Hatred of the Black would more than the Jews in Germany.

at least with a Jews didn’t rebel against the government and start a whole republic with socialist ideas during a war.
That will gives more possibility to the Stab-in-the-Back myth to Fuels the Anger Against the African in the Confederacy.

That’s Stubborn Hatred with the Blacks were probably produce the same or similar results with Personal tools to Slicing the Throat.

Plus not to mention that the Black Republics really cost the South to win the war, so yeah that extra more Hated to to “ Punish traitorous leeches”.

 

[CASSICTOR2]

Also, I feel that the name ‘Freedom Party Guard’ works perfectly well, since it emphasises the steady, insidious increase of the Freedom Party’s power (As the guard goes from Featherston’s bodyguard to an interstate security force of terrible power); it also quietly emphasises how all-encompassing the Party intends to be.

They don’t change the name at any point because, so far as the Stalwarts are concerned, the Freedom Party becomes the Confederate States and the CSA must become the Freedom Party (So the Party Guard is the protector of the whole Confederacy, at least under this theory).

Also, the Freedom Party Guard doesn’t need a name that strikes fear - it needs a name that conveys legitimacy, since the Freedom Party Guards are already fearsome brutes.

You can still have name Freedom Guard is More Affected and more Striking name than just The Freedom party guard.
The original name is just mouthful and to be me, a boring name.
Freedom Guard tho is got it point across and it easier to said
You still have all the reason why you like the name, just removed the word “party” in it.
it to me it’s Better name than the Original name.

still I respect your opinion on it and I hope you respect mine.

 

[cortz#9]

You can still have name Freedom Guard is More Affected and more Striking name than just The Freedom party guard.
The original name is just mouthful and to be me, a boring name.
Freedom Guard tho is got it point across and it easier to said
You still have all the reason why you like the name, just removed the word “party” in it.
it to me it’s Better name than the Original name.

still I respect your opinion on it and I hope you respect mine.

I still prefer the abbreviation FPG or FG's, it makes more sense that people would shorten it rather than going around saying freedom party guards or freedom guards.
people always shorten long titles like the FBI instead of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or KGB instead of whatever it really stands for in Russian, even one of the most feared words in the 20th century was an abbreviation, the "Gestapo" which is short for Geheime Staats Polizei.
It's just human nature to shorten words or come up with a slang term.

 

[CASSICTOR2]

I still prefer the abbreviation FPG or FG's, it makes more sense that people would shorten it rather than going around saying freedom party guards or freedom guards.
people always shorten long titles like the FBI instead of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or KGB instead of whatever it really stands for in Russian, even one of the most feared words in the 20th century was an abbreviation, the "Gestapo" which is short for Geheime Staats Polizei.
It's just human nature to shorten words or come up with a slang term.

Yeah you still have shorted like FG
I just Rename the Official name of "Freedom party Guard" to just the Freedom Guard for Short

 

[Tiro]

I still prefer the abbreviation FPG or FG's, it makes more sense that people would shorten it rather than going around saying freedom party guards or freedom guards.
people always shorten long titles like the FBI instead of the Federal Bureau of Investigation or KGB instead of whatever it really stands for in Russian, even one of the most feared words in the 20th century was an abbreviation, the "Gestapo" which is short for Geheime Staats Polizei.
It's just human nature to shorten words or come up with a slang term.

I suspect that most people would just refer to them as “The guards” (or “The Guards” for emphasis) but never “The Guard” - for that little extra “The Confederate States is a prison and these mean fellows are the turnkeys” kick.

Yeah you still have shorted like FG
I just Rename the Official name of "Freedom party Guard" to just the Freedom Guard for Short

That’s one possible approach, certainly; I prefer to stick with Doctor Turtledove’s original, in order to keep my elaborations on his original still more or less compatible with the books.

To each their own!

 

[CASSICTOR2]

I suspect that most people would just refer to them as “The guards” (or “The Guards” for emphasis) but never “The Guard” - for that little extra “The Confederate States is a prison and these mean fellows are the turnkeys” kick.

That actually Creative and Great Nickname for those Southern bastards.
Other Great Nickname to describe these "FPG" is Highly used by the Blacks and U.S Public as "Demon/Devils Guard" for they Crime against Humanity.

That’s one possible approach, certainly; I prefer to stick with Doctor Turtledove’s original, in order to keep my elaborations on his original still more or less compatible with the books.

To each their own!

Thank you for that and I respect your Opinion for that

 

[Tiro]

Please be assured that I respect your own reservations and am pleased to respect your opinions also.

That actually Creative and Great Nickname for those Southern bastards.
Other Great Nickname to describe these "FPG" is Highly used by the Blacks and U.S Public as "Demon/Devils Guard" for they Crime against Humanity.

I suspect the FPG will always attract more curses than nicknames!

 

[CASSICTOR2]

Please be assured that I respect your own reservations and am pleased to respect your opinions also.

It okay man, it all right man.
We just have Discussion about Some names by Weird Fascist Southern Fanatics.

I suspect the FPG will always attract more curses than nicknames!

Of course, FPG will more attracted Curses than just Nicknames.

Freedom Party Guard have Done:

-Numerous Gas attacks and Bombing on Civilians strikes.
-Did the Worst Atrocities on the America's Continent. (beside maybe Natives American Genocide)
-Their actions will Scarred and Traumatized the African Community for Decades.
-Nearly killed all of Population in Haiti (It a Headcanon, but will definitely be at least half in the Original )
-Have Slaughtered, Raped and Tortured countless of U.S Civilians during the Invasion
-Operator the Horror of Concentration Camps across the South

Much and much more etc.

Honestly they’ve earned the name “Demon Guard”

 

[Tiro]

The only quibble I can list is that the T191 US Army is guilty of the following war crimes:-

-Numerous Gas attacks and Bombing on Civilians strikes.

-Have Slaughtered, Raped and Tortured countless of U.S Civilians during the Invasion

Well, strictly speaking elements within the US Army targeted CS civilians, but it’s still important to remember that while the FPG are The Worst, at least some of their offences are a product of warmaking, T191 style rather than their very own innovation.

Such precision is important, since it’s not as though we don’t have more than enough to hang the Grey Devil Guards anyway!

 

[CASSICTOR2]

Such precision is important, since it’s not as though we don’t have more than enough to hang the Grey Devil Guards anyway!

Grey Devils or Grey's Guard is also a Great nickname for those Genocider Rednecks Bastards.

Any other good names for FPG
Or just focus on just uniform and all that stuff?

 

[Pangur]

Grey Devils or Grey's Guard is also a Great nickname for those Genocider Rednecks Bastards.

Any other good names for FPG
Or just focus on just uniform and all that stuff?

and Redneck bastards also works rather well

 

[Tiro]

Grey Devils or Grey's Guard is also a Great nickname for those Genocider Rednecks Bastards.

Any other good names for FPG
Or just focus on just uniform and all that stuff?

“Greybacks” perhaps? (I believe that’s a name for a species of louse, which seems appropriate).

 

[CASSICTOR2]

“Greybacks” perhaps? (I believe that’s a name for a species of louse, which seems appropriate).

Great name, but that for Average Reb in regular not Freedom Guard, but still great name

 

[Tiro]

By the time of the Second Great War the CS regulars were mostly wearing butternut, so the name might well shift to the Guards … or, just possibly, the CS navy.

 

[cortz#9]

“Greybacks” perhaps? (I believe that’s a name for a species of louse, which seems appropriate).

Great name, but that for Average Reb in regular not Freedom Guard, but still great name

German soldiers in WWII used to call their MPs "chain dogs" because they wore a metal badge around their necks hung by chains. Maybe there's a particular piece of gear or clothing the guards wear that could be refer to in a similar way?

 

[CASSICTOR2]

German soldiers in WWII you to call their MPs "chain dogs" because they wore a metal badge around their necks hung by chains. Maybe there's a particular piece of gear or clothing the guards wear that could be refer to in a similar way?

As History Buff, I never actually heard that before, thank you for showing me the Fun Fact

But back to the Naming things,
You know that OTL confederates had the their own Medals of Honor right?
How about the Names like Crosshead or Cross Dogs for the Southern cross in their Necks

 

[Alterwright]

As History Buff, I never actually heard that before, thank you for showing me the Fun Fact

But back to the Naming things,
You know that OTL confederates had the their own Medals of Honor right?
How about the Names like Crosshead or Cross Dogs for the Southern cross in their Necks

Many of those medals were created for Confederate veterans years after the Civil War ended. They were awards handed out to them in recognition for their service in the Confederate Army. The Confederates (and the Union for that matter) did not have many established awards, medals, or orders for their soldiers until this war started. Even then there were very few types made during the war. The US Medal of Honor was made during this war and was awarded quite a bit for acts of bravery, for example.

In the books the Confederates have made formal medals and awards already. The Order of Lee, the Order of the Virginia, and the Confederate Cross, their highest award.

 

[Virginia Liberal]

In the Books both sides use the Purple Heart same as OTL,

 

[FPSlover]

In the Books both sides use the Purple Heart same as OTL,

Which is a bit weird as it wasn't created for that purpose for decades after the POD. Same with changing Lance-Corporal to Private First Class for both armies, which historically only happened after WW1 (and even then there were attempts to revive the rank for decades). Though in that case I can kind of see why as few people knew that the US army had the appointment for over a century.

 

[CASSICTOR2]

Many of those medals were created for Confederate veterans years after the Civil War ended. They were awards handed out to them in recognition for their service in the Confederate Army. The Confederates (and the Union for that matter) did not have many established awards, medals, or orders for their soldiers until this war started. Even then there were very few types made during the war. The US Medal of Honor was made during this war and was awarded quite a bit for acts of bravery, for example.

Thank for the Info, mate about Confederacy medals

In the books the Confederates have made formal medals and awards already. The Order of Lee, the Order of the Virginia, and the Confederate Cross, their highest award.

Thank for that, but You called them the Cross Dogs or Maybe even Ordered Head