TL-191: Featherston's Finest - Uniforms, Weapons, and Vehicles of the CSA and Freedom Party
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I’m fairly certain the Confederate iver monitors might have a turret of some kind. Maybe they would be similar to their US rivals.
^^^ ——— The only frame of reference I can think of is the Yankee monitors in service during the Spanish American War and afterwards. I’ll have to dig around some more.
^^^ ——— The only frame of reference I can think of is the Yankee monitors in service during the Spanish American War and afterwards. I’ll have to dig around some more.
Here's a reference for a Monitor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphitrite-class_monitor
Yeah. I had also looked at French style ships of a similar type as well, but they don’t exactly fit the Bill. Visually, they do, but not in terms of their designed function.
That is actually fairly close to how Drachinfel over on YouTube imagined HMS Thunderchild.
EDIT: The vid in question.
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Richmond class Protected Cruiser (1888)
Specifications (Following 1905 refit)
Weight: 2,050 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 4,000 nautical miles
Speed: 17.7 knots
Armor:
- Deck: 51mm
- Shields: 114mm
- Conning Tower: 51mm
- 6 x 6 in guns
- 9 x 57mm guns
- 4 x 37mm guns
- 2 x 350mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Richmond (C-5) | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | January 5, 1886 | November 29, 1886 | April 15, 1888 | March 1918 | Guard Ship, August 1915. Sold for scrap, July 1918 |
| CSS Montgomery (C-6) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | March 9, 1886 | January 16, 1887 | June 8, 1888 | March 1918 | Auxiliary Minelayer, July 1914. Sold for scrap, July 1918. |
Perryville class Protected Cruiser (1891-1894)
Specifications (Following 1911 refit)
Weight: 4,253 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 22 knots
Armor:
- Deck: 37mm
- Slopes: 104mm
- Shields: 30mm
- Conning Tower: 102mm
- 4 x 6 in guns
- 8 x 120mm guns
- 6 x 76mm guns
- 10 x 47mm rapid fire guns
- 4 x 350mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Perryville (C-7) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | August 1889 | March 1891 | May 1893 | Sunk during the New York City Raid, September 11, 1914 | |
| CSS Louisville (C-8) | Charleston Naval Shipyard | June 1889 | August 1890 | February 1892 | May 1, 1928 | Accommodations ship, June 1928. Scuttled, March 1945. |
| CSS Sullivan Island (C-9) | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | September 1889 | January 1891 | April 1893 | Sunk in the South China Sea by SMS Emden, August 29, 1914 | |
| CSS Dallas (C-10) | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | February 1890 | May 1891 | January 1894 | Sunk during the First Battle of the Virginia Capes, August 22nd, 1915. | |
| CSS Norfolk (C-11) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | August 1889 | September 1890 | December 1891 | April 7, 1928 | Depot ship, May 1928. Sold for scrap, October 1931. |
Orlando class Protected Cruiser (1898-1900)
Specifications (Following 1913 refit)
Weight: 4,011 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 20 knots
Armor:
- Deck: 32mm
- Slopes: 89mm
- Shields: 30mm
- Boiler Room Glacis: 102mm
- Conning Tower: 102mm
- 6 x 6 in guns
- 4 x 120mm guns
- 6 x 76mm guns
- 10 x 57mm rapid fire guns
- 3 x 450mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
CSS Orlando (C-12) - ex Amazonas | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | 1895 | December 4, 1896 | March 18, 1898 | Sunk during the First Battle of the Virginia Capes, August 22nd, 1915. |
| CSS Tombstone (C-13) - ex Almirante Abreu | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | 1897 | January 14, 1899 | May 25, 1900 | Sunk during the New York City Raid, September 11, 1914 |
Wilmington class Large Protected Cruiser (1899-1900)
Specifications (Following 1912 refit)
Weight: 11,000 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 20.2 knots
Armor:
- Deck: 102mm
- Casemates: 114mm
- Shields: 114mm
- Ammo Hoists: 51mm
- Conning Tower: 305mm
- 16 x 6 in guns
- 14 x 76mm rapid fire guns
- 4 x 57mm rapid fire guns
- 3 x 450mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Decommissioned |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Wilmington (C-14) | Armstrong-Whitworth, Elswick | July 14, 1895 | March 1, 1897 | November 2, 1899 | October 1, 1936 | Training ship, January 1935. Sold for scrap, 1937. |
| CSS San Antonio (C-15) | Charleston Naval Shipyard | December 22, 1896 | August 29, 1897 | January 18, 1900 | March 6, 1935 | Depot ship, April 1935. Sunk as a target, July 1939. |
Pensacola class Scout Cruiser (1907)
Specifications (Following 1912 refit)
Weight: 2,900 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 3,000 nautical miles
Speed: 25 knots
Armor:
- Belt: 35mm
- Deck: 38mm
- Conning Tower: 76mm
- 10 x 76mm guns
- 8 x 47mm rapid fire guns
- 2 x 450mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Pensacola (CS-1) | New Orleans Naval Yard | September 4, 1905 | August 17, 1906 | August 1, 1907 | August 1918 | Ceded to the USA as a war prize, sunk in Aviation bombing test off Martha's Vineyard, 1921. |
| CSS Valverde (CS-2) | New Orleans Naval Yard | September 2, 1905 | August 29, 1906 | August 20, 1907 | Sunk during the Second Battle of the Virginia Capes, September 18, 1916. |
La Paz class Protected Cruiser (1908-1910)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 3,984 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x vertical triple expansion engines
Range: 5,000 nautical miles
Speed: 22 knots
Armor:
- Deck: 38mm
- Slopes: 102mm
- Shields: 30mm
- Conning Tower: 90mm
- 2 x 6 in guns
- 8 x 120mm guns
- 6 x 57mm rapid fire guns
- 6 x 47mm salute guns
- 2 x 450mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS La Paz (C-16) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | June 1906 | August 1907 | September 1908 | Sunk by Naval Mines near Miami, December 27, 1916. | |
| CSS Tuscaloosa (C-17) | Charleston Naval Shipyard | August 1906 | December 1907 | January 1909 | May 1935 | Depot ship, May 1935. Sunk in air raid in Savannah, April 1944. |
| CSS Memphis (C-18) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | January 1907 | March 1908 | March 1910 | Training ship, October 19, 1936. Scuttled in Corpus Christi, June 1, 1944. |
Charleston class Light Cruiser (NB)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 5,845 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons steam engines
Range: 3,400 nautical miles
Speed: 25.5 knots
Armor:
- Belt: 51mm on 25mm Plating
- Deck: 38mm
- Shields: 35mm
- Conning Tower: 95mm
- 10 x 6-in/50-caliber M1913 guns
- 2 x 76mm Vickers-Tredegar M1898 rapid fire guns
- 2 x 37mm salute guns
- 2 x 450mm underwater torpedo tubes
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Planned Commissioning | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Charleston (C-19) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | July 6, 1914 | September 26, 1915 | April 1917 | Work halted, November 1916, scrapped in Newport News, 1919. |
| CSS Manassas (C-20) | Charleston Naval Shipyard | October 1914 | July 19, 1915 | February 1917 | Work halted, November 1916, scrapped in Charleston, 1919. |
| CSS Savannah (C-21) | Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock | August 12, 1914 | October 4, 1915 | April 1917 | Work halted, November 1916, scrapped in Newport News, 1919. |
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First mention of SMS Emden in TL-191. So she sent down a Confederate Cruiser instead of a Russian one.....
It's more of a question for Filling the Gaps, but with the British Pacific Fleet taken out of action for the most part after the Battle of Pearl Harbor, does the German East Asia Squadron survive ITTL? That is if the Royal Navy's defeat is enough to avoid the Battles of the Falklands, Coronel, and Más a Tierra from happening.
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Unlike OTL, the German East Asia Squadron can make port in United States occupied Canada.
Very much so. IOTL, the East Asia Squadron did make port in the US while it was still neutral.
OTL only one cruiser did so: Leipzig. She put into SF for 24 hours for coal, then headed south to Mexico, then down to rendezvous with Spee's squadron.
It is highly likely that the German East Asia Squadron under Spee could survive in this timeline. While Hawaii may still not be suitable as a base (as it was only recently taken by the US) the presence of friendly allied forces such as the US and Chile means that Spee and ships can actually find safe harbor without having to travel all the way back to Germany. That is of course if Spee is ordered to come back to Germany for whatever reason.
While the Japanese and British are active in the Pacific, their primary enemy would definitely be the US Pacific Fleet. Unless something very unfortunate happens to Spee while attempting to flee the German colonies, it is likely they can remain in the Pacific.
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There is also KARLSRUHE who went to San Juan, Puerto Rico, this image below was taken of here in harbor then.
A Talbot T-34 Firefly from the CSAF's 6th Fighter Squadron based out of Atlanta, Georgia, circa 1936.
Under the terms of the Treaty of Arlington in 1918, the Armed Forces of the Confederate States of America was forbidden from possessing any form of combat aircraft. However, Confederate Aircraft Manufacturers were permitted to build planes for civil and other non-military roles, and in the 1920s, the Talbot Aircraft Company would be one of the major airplane builders in the Confederacy. In the late part of the decade, they were starting work on aircraft with clandestine military uses, such as fighter planes, and in 1931, the first prototype for what would come the CSA's first post-war fighter would take flight under the guise of a crop duster. It would be initially be designated as the Model 71 Firefly, the fighter variant would be known as the T-34 and would be equipped with two 7.7mm Tredegar M1916 machine-guns in the nose. Much like most other fighters of it's day, it was of a conventional biplane configuration with an open cockpit and fixed under carriage with a max speed of 175 miles per hour. When the Confederate States Air Force was formed officially in the Summer of 1934, the Firefly would be it's first fighter, and would serve as it's frontline fighter until it's replacement by the more advanced Hughes Hound-Dog in 1938, which by that time the Firefly was obsolete. After 1938, the Firefly would fulfil other roles such as night fighter, advanced trainer, glider and target tug, recon plane, and even with some being converted to radio controlled targets. During the type's production run from 1933 to 1937, a total of 548 aircraft would be built with 3 different variants and it would serve with the air forces of Guatemala, Spain, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, and Colombia.
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Has anyone worked out the formal uniform used by the CSA Marine Corps - would it be similar to the USMC Dress Blues or given their links with Britain perhaps the formal CSA Marine Corps uniform resembles those of HM Royal Marines? Part of my head cannon had the two separate Marine Corps sending birthday cards on the Marine Corps birthday.
Also what type of uniform do the Mexican Volunteers wear during the 2nd Great War? As the French and the Spanish volunteers that fought on the Eastern Front during our WW2 wore the same uniforms as the rest of the Heer, except with national emblems on the sleeve.
Also what type of uniform do the Mexican Volunteers wear during the 2nd Great War? As the French and the Spanish volunteers that fought on the Eastern Front during our WW2 wore the same uniforms as the rest of the Heer, except with national emblems on the sleeve.
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They aren't volunteers they are Imperial Mexican Army and they were the light yellow uniform of the Mexican Army. They are equipped with Great War era Tredegar rifles.
Spearfish class Coastal Submarine (1935)
Specifications (Following 1939 refit)
Weight: 1,540 normal surfaced/2020 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 4,000 nautical miles surfaced/60 underwater
Speed: 15 knots surfaced/9 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 75mm deck gun
- 1 x 7.7mm AA machine-gun
- 8 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (6 bow, 2 stern, spare 16 torpedoes)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Spearfish (S-1) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow, UK. | 1934 | October 1934 | June 1935 | Training vessel, August 1940, Scuttled in New Orleans, July 2, 1944. |
| CSS Shark (S-2) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow, UK. | 1934 | January 1935 | August 1935 | Sunk in training accident, May 5, 1937. |
| CSS Tarpon (S-3) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow, UK. | 1934 | January 1935 | September 1935 | Training vessel, August 1940, sunk during an air raid in Corpus Christi, February 1944. |
| CSS Chub (S-4) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow, UK. | 1934 | January 1935 | August 1935 | Training vessel, August 1940, written off following accident, May 1943. |
| CSS Minnow (S-5) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | 1934 | 1935 | September 1935 | Training vessel, August 1940, Scuttled in New Orleans, July 2, 1944. |
| CSS Grampus (S-6) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | 1934 | 1935 | Late 1935 | Training vessel, August 1940, sunk by USS Sailfish in the Gulf of Mexico, June 2, 1944. |
Barracuda class Fleet Submarine (1936)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2206 normal surfaced/2723 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 6,260 nautical miles surfaced/115 underwater
Speed: 22.5 knots surfaced/10 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 100mm deck gun
- 2 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (1x2)
- 6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (6 bow, 12 spare torpedoes)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Barracuda (S-7) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | 1933 | October 1934 | January 1936 | Sunk off California by the USAF, August 9, 1942. |
| CSS Wahoo (S-8) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | 1934 | 1935 | June 1936 | Captured by the Imperial Japanese Navy, September 1943 in the South Pacific. |
| CSS Dace (S-9) | New Orleans Naval Yard | 1934 | 1935 | June 1936 | Sunk near the Sandwich Islands, late 1943. |
Bonefish class Coastal Submarine (1937-1939)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 674 normal surfaced/853 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 2,150 nautical miles surfaced/72 underwater
Speed: 14 knots surfaced/7.5 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 100mm deck gun
- 2 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (1x2)
- 6 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (6 bow, 12 spare torpedoes)
- Built - 1936-1939
- Ships in the class - 26
- Lost - 19
- Captured at wars' end - 7
- Postwar Operators: Texas (4, 1944-1963), Mexico (3, 1947-1959, USN (3, 1944-1947)
Swordfish class Fleet Submarine (1938-1942)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1570 normal surfaced/2084 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 10,000 nautical miles surfaced/100 underwater
Speed: 20 knots surfaced/10 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 100mm deck gun
- 2 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (1x2)
- 9 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2, external, 2 stern, 13 spare torpedoes)
- Built - 1935-1942
- Ships in the class - 12
- Lost - 11
- Captured at wars' end - 1
- Postwar Operators: USN (1, 1944-1946)
Croaker class Large Fleet Submarine (1939-1941)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1980 normal surfaced/2455 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 10,000 nautical miles surfaced/106 underwater
Speed: 21.5 knots surfaced/10 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 and 138 Sonar
Armament:
- 2 x 130mm deck guns
- 4 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (2x2)
- 10 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (6 bow, 2 stern, 16 spare torpedoes), and 10 naval mines.
- Built - 1936-1941
- Ships in the class - 12
- Lost - 12
Squalus class Coastal Submarine (1940-1943)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 842 normal surfaced/990 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 4,000 nautical miles surfaced/72 underwater
Speed: 14.75 knots surfaced/9 underwater
Sensor: Type 129 and 138 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 75mm deck gun
- 2 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (1x2)
- 7 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (6 bow, 1 stern, 13 spare torpedoes) or 12 naval mines.
- Built - 1939-1943
- Ships in the class - 26
- Completed - 21
- Lost - 17
- Captured at wars' end - 4
- Postwar Operators: USN (4, 1944-1947, Mexico (2, 1947-1972), Egypt (2, 1947-1967)
Zouve class Supply Submarine (1942)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 1810 normal surfaced/2417 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 8,000 nautical miles surfaced/85 underwater
Speed: 22 knots surfaced/9.5 underwater
Sensor: Type 286U Radar, Type 129 and 138 Sonar
Armament:
- 1 x 130mm deck gun
- 2 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (1x2)
- 8 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 24 spare torpedoes)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Zouve (SS-1) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | June 1938 | August 6, 1941 | December 1, 1942 | Sunk by US Navy DEs in the Bahamas, August 5, 1943. |
| CSS Cannoneer (SS-2) | Gulf Shipbuilding, Chickasaw, Alabama | July 1938 | September 11, 1941 | December 21, 1942 | Scuttled in Havana, July 14, 1944. Raised and broken up, 1952. |
| CSS Guardsman (SS-3) | Hughes Shipbuilding Corporation, Galveston, Texas | May 1939 | July 19, 1942 | Sunk during an air raid in Galveston, May 1943. | |
| CSS Ranger (SS-4) | Hughes Shipbuilding Corporation, Galveston, Texas | May 1939 | August 1942 | Work halted, Summer 1943. BU 1947. |
Austin class Cruiser Submarine (1942)
Specifications (As originally built)
Weight: 2274 normal surfaced/2807 underwater
Propulsion: 2x diesel and 2x electric motors
Range: 5,600 nautical miles surfaced/99 underwater
Speed: 20.5 knots surfaced/8 underwater
Sensor: Type 291W Radar, Type 129 and 138 Sonar
Armament:
- 4 x 6in deck guns (2x2)
- 4 x 13.1mm AA machine-guns (2x2)
- 8 x 533mm Underwater Torpedo Tubes (4 bow, 2 stern, 10 spare torpedoes)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CSS Austin (SC-1) | Ingalls Shipbuilding, Pascagoula, Mississippi | August 1937 | May 1941 | July 9, 1942 | Sunk by USS Salmon near Haiti, December 9, 1943. |
| CSS Crockett (SC-2) | Ingalls Shipbuilding, Pascagoula, Mississippi | September 1937 | May 1941 | September 2, 1942 | Sunk by SMS U-2904 in the North Atlantic, March 2, 1943. |
| CSS Clyman (SC-3, - USS IX-408 (USN use.) | Ingalls Shipbuilding, Pascagoula, Mississippi | September 1937 | July 1941 | December 1, 1944 (USN evaluation) | Work suspended, August 1942, BU 1948. |
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The Austin Class is the sub with the turrets on it, right? How would the Confederates use a vessel like her?