TL-191: After the End
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US films or television shows made about the Dixie Mafia in TTL probably would not be like The Sopranos, if only because they would probably not feature a fictional chief of a Dixie Mafia outfit as the villain protagonist, in the way that The Sopranos featured a fictional boss in that role.
Unlike the portrayals of the mafia in some US works of fiction in our world, which arguably romanticizes and, to a certain extent, glamorizes organized crime, portrayals of the Dixie Mafia in US fiction in TTL tend to be unremittingly brutal, which is not too far removed from the reality of what Dixie Mafia outfits are in the real world. Fictional portrayals of the Dixie Mafia in US culture in TTL are similar to the portrayal of the Camorra in the film Gomorrah or the portrayal of the motorcycle gang in the film Mad Max in our world.
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Yes, the CDS has a similar integrated command structure to that of NATO in our world.
what happened with Terry Sanford, Lloyd Bentsen, John Connally, John Mckeithen, and John Stennis
Lloyd Bentsen doesn’t exist in TTL. An analogue to the Bentsen family still lives in Dakota by 2022. Most members of the Bentsen family are either farmers or involved in real estate.
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John McKeithen doesn’t exist in TTL. An analogue to the McKeithen family still lives mostly in Louisiana by 2022. The McKeithen family supported Governor Huey Long, before the violent takeover of Louisiana by the Freedom Party in the late 1930s. Like many in post-Second Great War Louisiana, the McKeithen family welcomed the end of the Freedom Party and the Featherston regime.
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Terry Sanford doesn’t exist in TTL. An analogue to the Sanford family lives in Texas by 2022. The Sanfords were among those who fled the US military occupation after the end of the Second Great War.
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John Connolly doesn’t exist in TTL. An analogue to the Connolly family lives in Texas by 2022. Most members of the Connolly family are farmers.
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The analogue to John Stennis in TTL was Cornelius Stennis, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He came of age during the upheavals of the First Great War and the Red Rebellion. He served as a defense attorney throughout Mississippi during the Interwar years. He remained staunchly loyal to the Whig Party, and came to despise the Freedom Party, although he was never involved in political activity.
Stennis was dismissed from his law firm in Jackson, Mississippi following the rise of Jake Featherston in the early 1930s. The Freedom Party spent the rest of the decade consolidating power throughout Mississippi. Stennis kept his head down while working as a clerk at a general store in Jackson. It would not be enough to avoid arrest in 1938. Like most other victims of the Freedom Party in Mississippi, he never learned who had denounced him.
Stennis was sentenced in 1939 to 30 years of hard labor, and was deported to a prison camp in Alabama. He died from malnutrition in 1941, just before the CSA began Operation Blackbeard.
By 2022, the newly founded Ecological Union teaches its students that the former empire was yet another terrible mistake on the road to a perfect and final ecological society.
What's the list of US Presidents after 2009?
Fate of the British Monarchs after George VI
Fate of the British Monarchs after George VI
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This is the list of US presidential administrations from 2009 through 2053. This is edited and expanded from an earlier version.
Sergio Hernandez, of the Socialist Party (2005-2013):
Sergio Hernandez, a former mayor of Havana, served as a Representative and later as a Senator from Cuba before winning the US presidential elections in 2005 as the nominee of the Socialist Party. Hernandez was the first politician from a former Confederate state to be elected to the presidency after the end of the Second Great War.
The Hernandez administration oversaw the continued economic expansion that had started under the previous Gutierrez administration, following the end of the Tech Recession in the 1990s. The president also focused on anti-crime efforts, following the West Philadelphia Riots of 2007 and the continuing problems posed by street gangs in many US cities.
President Hernandez also made the decision for the USA, and by extension the CDS, to support German, Austro-Hungarian, and EC efforts to stabilize the Middle East, following the overthrow of Sultan Abdul Hamid III by the Golden Wolves and the beginning of the Ottoman Dissolution. The USA and CDS would not ultimately deploy many soldiers to the Middle East, because of developments in Sudan.
The Islamist government of Sudan, which had been staunchly supportive of Abdul Hamid III, launched brutal military campaigns in the early 2010s against the black African populations in the southern and western regions of the country. These campaigns rapidly became genocidal. There was widespread anger from the US public when these crimes became known.
The refusal by the Sudanese government to agree to an ultimatum from the Hernandez administration to end these genocidal campaigns led to the outbreak of Sudanese War in 2012. The USA, supported by contingents from the rest of the CDS, drove the Sudanese forces out of what became the Republic of South Sudan and the Republic of Darfur, which would later join the CDS during the Astaire administration.
Sergio Hernandez left the presidency personally popular. It was not enough to prevent the victory of the Democratic Party in the 2012 presidential elections.
Alfred Astaire, of the Democratic Party (2013-2021):
Alfred Astaire, an ATL descendant of Fred Astaire, was the former head of the Bureau of Investigation. He was the first Democrat to win the presidency since Thurston DeFrancis in the 1992 elections, and the first Democrat to serve two terms since Joshua Blackford in the 1970s.
Astaire was sympathetic to efforts by the Business and Prosperity Caucus in the US Congress to ease regulations on financial markets, and especially on the activities of major banks and real estate firms, and supported legislation to enact as many of these pro-business measures into law as possible. Although the boom in the US housing market, as well as deregulation efforts, had started during the Gutierrez administration and had continued under the Hernandez administration, the highest rates of growth in the domestic housing market would be during the Astaire administration. This housing boom in the USA during the 2010s took place alongside similar housing booms in many other countries, including in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Bharat, the Empire of Brazil, China, the German Empire, and Russia. There was also a dramatic expansion in international investment during the Astaire administration, as his government worked with other nations, especially the other great powers, to loosen the controls and restrictions on the movement of investment funds across borders.
While the US housing market was more regulated in comparison to the US housing market of 2007-2008 in our world, the housing bubble that developed in the 2010s in TTL was worse than in our world, and was tied to similar housing bubbles in other countries by banks and investment companies that overextended themselves in acquiring more and more real estate holdings.
The Astaire administration also coincided with a worldwide economic boom that was driven by high rates of investments in new kinds of technology, as well as high levels of demand for different commodities. The Astaire administration would also be remembered fondly by many Americans as another cultural golden age, as well as a golden age of tourism.
Alfred Astaire left office deeply unpopular due to the effects of the Great Housing Crash of 2019, which devastated the US economy and would also have catastrophic effects on US political stability.
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George Novak, of the Socialist Party/National Fusion (2021-2025):
George Novak served as Senator from Ohio before winning the Socialist Party presidential nomination in 2020. Novak was not without skills as a politician, given that he was elected to several statewide offices as a Socialist in a state that almost never supported the Socialists in presidential elections. Novak had a vision of US politics where the country would no longer be divided by separate political parties. Novak believed that this would lead to a permanent political and economic golden age for the USA.
Novak forged the “National Fusion” ticket with Governor Philip Wakefield of New Jersey, a member of the Republican Party, in the name of pursuing a “non-partisan” government, in spite of opposition from within the Socialist Party and the refusal of the Republican Party to endorse the arrangement.
George Novak became deeply unpopular while in office, due to his failure to address the effects of the Great Housing Crash. In 2024, he failed to win renomination from the Socialist Party in the face of a challenge from Representative Charles Holst, a long-time marginal figure in the Socialist Party and in the House of Representatives, due to his far-left political views. Novak and Wakefield attempted to win re-election by founding an actual National Fusion Party, only to lose in every state in the 2024 elections, due to Novak’s widespread unpopularity and the failure of National Fusion to gain ballot access in a number of states.
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Charles Holst (2025-2027), of the Socialist Party:
Charles Holst served as a Representative from a New York City congressional district for almost twenty years before successfully challenging President Novak for the Socialist Party nomination in 2024. Holst, for most of his political career, was considered a marginal figure in Congress, due to his far-left political views, penchant for over-the-top revolutionary rhetoric, and abrasive personality. However, Holst gained national attention and broader acceptance during the Novak administration after emerging as the unpopular Novak’s preeminent political foe. Holst won the 2024 elections against a Republican Party still suffering from the divisions caused by Wakefield’s defection to the National Fusion ticket, and a Democratic Party still unpopular due to the Great Housing Crash.
The Holst administration ended in failure and disaster. Congress refused to pass the president’s plan to nationalize whole sectors of the economy, or the president’s proposal to grant the executive branch the power to expropriate property and wealth from anyone labeled an “enemy of the people.” Holst also caused alarm and outrage when he started to openly talk about ending term limits, as well as when he started to openly use antisemitic rhetoric blaming Jews for the Great Housing Crash.
Charles Holst was ultimately undone when his administration was caught up in the Dixie Mafia Scandal in 2026-2027, following a years-long investigation by several law enforcement agencies. This scandal resulted in the arrest of Holst’s Vice President, Conrad Koehler, by the Bureau of Investigation, the arrest of several of Holst’s cabinet members during that year, and in Holst’s impeachment and conviction in April 2027. Holst was removed from office that month, and would later be sentenced to life in prison after being convicted on multiple charges related to the Dixie Mafia Scandal.
Due to the arrest of former Vice President Koehler, Representative James Davies, the Speaker of the House, was inaugurated as president in April 2027.
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James Davies, of the Republican Party (2027-2029):
A longtime Representative from Ontario, Davies eventually fulfilled his lifelong dream of becoming Speaker of the House, following the 2022 midterm elections. Due to the presidential line of succession, Davies was inaugurated as president in April 2027, following the collapse of the Holst administration in the Dixie Mafia Scandal.
Davies was the second Canadian-American to hold the presidency. He pledged not to run in the 2028 elections, but also promised a “return to good government,” following the now almost universally despised Holst administration. The most significant initiative by the short Davies administration was the creation of a congressional Joint Committee of Inquiry to fully investigate and publicize the criminal activity of the former administration.
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Arnold Burroughs, of the Republican Party (2029-2037):
Arnold Burroughs served as a Senator from Ontario, and was close political ally of former Speaker of the House James Davies, before his election as president in 2029. He was the third Canadian-American to serve as president. The Burroughs administration oversaw the economic recovery from the over decade-long recession caused by the Great Housing Crash. Burroughs who had been a member of the Infrastructure and Public Works Caucus while in Congress, embraced a massive program to improve US infrastructure, as well as a program of urban renewal. Burroughs also focused on improving ties between the US and the member states of the CDS, which had been neglected during the Novak and Holst administrations. It was the Burroughs administration that began the first tentative, quiet talks with government of Texas on the possibility of pursuing reunification, after the US government was approached by special representatives from the president of Texas.
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Eleanor Lehrer, of the Democratic Party (2037-2045):
A Senator from California before winning the Democratic Party nomination in 2036, Eleanor Lehrer was the first woman to serve as president. Lehrer had a strong interest in foreign policy and defense policy. The Lehrer administration also focused on improving the US position in the ongoing Space Chase.
Lehrer, the second Jewish-American to serve as president after Joshua Blackford, had also been a frequent target of former President Holst’s antisemitic rants.
The Lehrer administration also pursued the diplomatic talks with the government of Texas that had been started during the Burroughs administration on the possibility of Texas rejoining the Union. The government of Texas had originally instituted these talks for economic reasons, as the Great Housing Crash had been especially harsh in that nation. These talks would result in a referendum on reunion held in Texas in 2044, the centennial of the independence of Texas, the fall of the CSA, and the end of the Second Great War. This referendum resulted in the option for reunion failing by a margin of 51% to 44%.
The failure of this referendum, intended by President Lehrer to be the culmination of her administration’s until-then generally successful foreign policy initiatives, led to a temporary dip in national popularity for the Democratic Party in 2044. Combined with the Republican Party nominating a weak candidate, this would provide a window for the successful return to office by the Socialist Party through their nominee, Senator Dennis Beckford.
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Dennis Beckford, of the Socialist Party (2045-2053):
A Senator and former Representative from Jamaica, Dennis Beckford had risen in influence in the Socialist Party in the late 2020s and 2030s, as the party struggled to emerge from the twin disasters that had been the Novak and Holst administrations. Beckford, during this time, threw himself into initiatives to rebuild the party as a national force (mirroring previous efforts by the Republican Party in the Twentieth Century to do accomplish the same goals). By the time that Beckford won the Socialist Party’s nomination in 2044, the Socialists had restored a significant measure of influence in terms of congressional seats and governors mansions held by the party. Beckford managed to triumph in the 2044 presidential elections. He was first African-American to serve as president, as well as the second president to serve from the Caribbean region of the country.
Dennis Beckford proved to be a popular president, and enjoyed a number of legislative accomplishments during his two terms in office. Perhaps the most far-reaching initiative passed by the Beckford administration was the Clean Energy Act of 2045, which committed the US to powering its grid entirely through renewable sources of energy within a generation.
The biggest test for the Beckford administration would come late in his second term, with the advent of the Hubei Respiratory Syndrome-52 Pandemic, in the spring of 2052. President Beckford would become, in effect, a wartime president during the greatest national and international crisis faced by the United States since 1944.
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This is what I previously wrote about the post-Second Great War British Royal Family, slightly edited and expanded.
King Edward VIII abdicated after the end of the Second Great War. During the first postwar generation, he was almost universally despised by the postwar British public, as well as by the large British diaspora community overseas, for his association with the Churchill-Mosley Coalition government. The former monarch left Britain in 1950 for Australia, and spent the rest of his life at a private estate in Tasmania.
King George VI succeeded King Edward VIII following the latter’s abdication after the end of the Second Great War. King George VI was succeeded in 1957 by a male heir, who reigned as King Charles III until his death in 2001. King Charles III was succeeded by his daughter, who still reigns in 2022 as Queen Anne II.
Elizabeth II, Charles III, and Prince William from our world don’t exist in TTL.
What is the most divisive/most important political issues in the US in 2022
What are the main political parties of Germany and the UK
Is there still a house of lords
are there any particularly peculiar princes or princesses in the UK.
what was the line of succession in Germany
What are the main political parties of Germany and the UK
Is there still a house of lords
are there any particularly peculiar princes or princesses in the UK.
what was the line of succession in Germany
Whatever happened to the Frenchies in Algeria?
They will over 1 million of them until Algeria were independent back in 1962
They will over 1 million of them until Algeria were independent back in 1962
The first US presidential candidate from the Midsouth to win a national election is Senator Mace Dufort of Louisiana, of the Democratic Party. Dufort, who served four terms as Governor of Louisiana before later winning election to the Senate, was the victorious candidate in the US presidential elections of 2092.
Dufort, who served two terms as president until 2101, proved to be one of the most popular US leaders in history. This was in no small part because of his natural charisma, and because he genuinely enjoyed meeting with and engaging with voters. Dufort, throughout his political career, was also known as an enthusiastic host, including for dinner parties, concerts, film screenings, and national holidays.
One legacy of the Dufort administration by 2162 is that the people of the USA enjoy at least three national holidays each month. Dufort also added another two holidays to an already crowded July calendar. These were National Friendship Day, on July 1, and National Food and Feasting Day, on July 21. These new July holidays joined the established national holidays of what was popularly known as Eagle Month: the Fourth of July, on July 4, Cassius Madison Day, on July 7, Reunion Day, on July 14, and National Music Day, on July 31.
After the end of the Second Great War, there was a failed attempt by far-right elements of the French military, with cooperation from the French colonists, to seize power in Algiers. The German Empire retaliated by forcing the postwar French government to withdraw from Algeria. The entirety of the French population fled Algeria after the country gained independence. Most French Algerians immigrated to Quebec, although others left for the Empire of Brazil, or elsewhere in South America.
Algeria’s Jews, who had suffered horribly under the former Action française regime, also all left after the country gained independence, with most immigrating to Quebec or the USA.
I think there were some dry States in TL191 if I am correct
I assume this pandemic is worse than OTL COVID-19. What happened there during the pandemic, did any government fall or reformed into a new one? Did it bring changes in the health sector? How many deaths did occur in this pandemic?