TL-191: After the End

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by David bar Elias, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. CaliBoy1990 A bright future is still possible! =)

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    That's alright, Dave, and good luck.

    I've been having some issues with writer's block myself.....AND I'm starting college soon. :(
     
  2. Ravenclaw Jewish Socialist

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    I love what you've done with this TL, David (in fact, I think this thread was what introduced me to this site); however, I have some nagging questions:
    What happened with Iran? I assume there was no revolution there.
    Did the US get over its oil addiction?
    Is the JWR as belligerent as OTL North Korea, or do they mostly keep to themselves?
     
  3. ZincOxide Well-Known Member

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    Aw. Well, good luck, and hope life treats you easy!
     
  4. Archangel Battery-powered Bureaucrat

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    Don't worry. We'll wait.:)
     
  5. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    I agree with all the fine posters wishing you well thus far, David!
     
  6. Ze Kaiser Governor-General of Unova

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    I can wait. :D
     
  7. Matt Wiser Well-Known Member

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    Same here: all good things come to those who wait.
     
  8. Flubber Banned

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    As all the others have written, please take your time, attend to priorities, and have no worries for your audience. We'll all be here when you're ready.

    Excellence is always worth the wait. :)
     
  9. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Hey! I'm back! :D Here's 1984. Its a GOP landslide...

    1984
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    Morgan Reynolds (R-BC)/John Smith (R-CA): 472 EV
    Robert Bronowski (S-PA)/Richard Short (S-OR): 94 EV

    Porter Schmitt (D-IL)/Fred Kenelm (D-AB): 41 EV
     
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  10. Vexacus Banned

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    I recognise Hawaii and Cuba, but what are the states in the boxes?
     
  11. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    You know the titchy Caribbean islands to the east of Puerto Rico? That's the states in the boxes.
     
  12. Vexacus Banned

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    What's the one to the east of Hawaii?
     
  13. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    That's the titchy Caribbean states... The state north of Cuba, east of Florida is the Bahamas, the state south of Cuba is Jamaica.
     
  14. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Oh and my Internet boyfriend posted this in the wrong thread... Its 1976.

    1976
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    Joshua Blackford (D-PA)/James Rhodes (D-OH): 368 EV
    Dwight O'Hare (S-NY)/Carl Martin (S-CA): 202 EV
    George Sidney (R-IA)/Stan Campbell (R-MI): 37 EV
     
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  15. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    34: Thomas Dewey (D-NY) 1945-1953
    Vice President: Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1945-1953
    1944: def. Charles W. La Follette (S-WI)/Jim Curley (S-MA) & Harold Stassen (R-MN)/Edward Anderson (R-NE)
    1948: def. Henry A. Wallace (S-IA)/Rexford Tugwell (S-NY) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Harold Stassen (R-MN)/Smith Altrock (R-CA)

    [COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3]35: [SIZE=3]Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1953-1961
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=2]V[SIZE=2]ice President: [COLOR=Blue]Irving Morrell (D-KS) 19[SIZE=2]53-1961
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1952: def. [COLOR=Red]A[SIZE=1]dlai Steve[SIZE=1]nson II (S-IL)/Earl Warren (S-[SIZE=1]CA) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Harold Stassen (R-[SIZE=1]MN[/SIZE])/Cecil S[SIZE=1]chne[SIZE=1]ider II (R-IL)
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1956: def. [COLOR=Red]W. Averell Harriman (S-NY)[SIZE=1]/[SIZE=1]Basil O'Connor (S[SIZE=1]-MA)[/SIZE] [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Harold Stassen (R-[SIZE=1]M[SIZE=1]N[/SIZE][/SIZE])/John Ho[SIZE=1]yland (R-NE)

    [COLOR=Red][SIZE=3]36: Hubert Humphrey (S-[SIZE=3]MN[SIZE=3]) 1961-197[SIZE=3]3[/SIZE]
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=2]Vice President: [COLOR=Red]Warren Magnuson (S-WA) 1961-1977
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1960: def. [COLOR=Blue]John W. Bricker[SIZE=1] (D-OH)/Nicholas Peterson (D-PA) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Har[SIZE=1]old Stassen (R-MN)/William Ward (R-IN)
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1964: def. [COLOR=Blue]Henry [SIZE=1]Ca[SIZE=1]bot Lodge, [SIZE=1]Jr. (D-MA)[SIZE=1]/[SIZE=1]Benjamin Cooper (D-MI) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]W[SIZE=1]alter Judd[SIZE=1] [SIZE=1](R-MN)/Garret Schuster (R-NE)
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]19[SIZE=1]6[SIZE=1]8[SIZE=1]: def. [COLOR=Blue]James R[SIZE=1]hodes (D-OH)[SIZE=1]/George Sab[SIZE=1]astani (D-NM) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Bryson Briggs (R-NE)/Hunter Jardine (R-MT)

    [COLOR=Blue][SIZE=3]37: J[SIZE=3]os[SIZE=3]hua Blackford[/SIZE][/SIZE] (D-PA) 1973-1981
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=2]Vice President: [COLOR=Blue]James Rho[SIZE=2]des (D-OH) 1973-1981
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1972: def. [COLOR=Red]Terrance Hobs[SIZE=1]on (S-CA)/Charles Piatek (S-MI) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]Philip Ioannidis (R-NV)/Marcus Svend[SIZE=1]son (R-DA)
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1976: def. [COLOR=Red]Dwight O'Hare (S-NY)[SIZE=1]/[SIZE=1]Carl Martin (S-CA) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Lime]George S[SIZE=1]idney (R-IA)/Stan Camp[SIZE=1]bell (R-MI)

    [SIZE=3]38: Morgan Reynolds (R-BC) 1981-1989
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=2]Vice President: [COLOR=Lime][SIZE=2]John Smith (R-CA) 1981-1989
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1980: def. [COLOR=Blue]Mildred Mor[SIZE=1]rell-Quigley (D-KS)/[SIZE=1]Unknown (D-?[SIZE=1]?) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Red]Theodore A. Abell (S-??)/Unknown (S[SIZE=1]-??)
    [COLOR=Black][SIZE=1]1984: def. [COLOR=Red]Robert Bronowski (S[SIZE=1]-PA)/Richard Short (S-OR) [COLOR=Black]& [COLOR=Blue]Porter Schmitt (D-IL)/Fred Kenelm (D[SIZE=1]-AB)

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    That's all the elections I know.
     
  16. Jedi_Master_Kirito The Emir of Derpistan

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    Wow, just wow. I've been following this timeline for the better part of a year or so and I'm loving it. David, thank you so much for writing this.

    I am a huge fan of alternate history and this is such a well-written timeline. I love the integration of Canada, Morgan Reynolds' presidency, Greg Bliss' novels, the comeback of the Republican Party, the Nihilists, the former Confederate States being akin to post-War Germany with the shame of the population reductions, etc.

    The only real criticisms I have of the timeline is that rock and roll doesn't exist and I was a little dissapointed that real-world politicians (such as George McGovern) didn't get a stab at the presidency. Those issues aside, you've got an excellent timeline here and I'm looking forward to the conclusion.
     
  17. jycee Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the board.
    You can blame the Freedom Part for the lack of Rock n' Roll. TL-191 world would have lost quite a bit of talent and influence due to the Freedom Party policies in the CSA and the black holocaust. Rhythm & Blues probably didn't spread and thus no Rock n Roll. So its absence only ads to the realism of David's extension of TL 191.
    However I reckon TTL's stomp music, especially the later stuff in the Staccato influenced 90s, is very much like a Big-band version of glam-rock, which is 100% awesome in my book.
     
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  18. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Well done. :cool: I'm adding those maps to the rest of the collection.

    That box shows the Lesser Antilles. Most of them are independent nations in OTL, since the 60s-70s. The box below Cuba shows Jamaica and the Cayman Islands (those tiny ones to the west of it) and the box above Cuba shows the Bahamas. These are all ATL US states, instead of having their own independence or being British overseas territories as in OTL.
     
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  19. ZincOxide Well-Known Member

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    Nice election results! :D
     
  20. CaliBoy1990 A bright future is still possible! =)

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    It's probably just an unfortunate oversight on Dave's part, and one, I think, that is in serious need of correction. You aren't going to be plausibly able to butterfly rock-n'-roll entirely, not with the African-American cultural influences already in place.

    Jycee, unfortunately, the truth is, let's just say that if there is a TOTAL absence, and if it was was intentional, it does not add to the realism, but rather, seriously subtracts from it. I mean, I hope this isn't actually true, but if it is.....well.....:(