TL-191: After the End

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by David bar Elias, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. Trotsky Trotsky

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    But Featherston wouldn't have the same notoriety outside of North America as Hitler does throughout the world.

    And also, he never made it to Montgomery, or even to Atlanta.
     
  2. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Luftbus is TTL's analogue to Airbus.

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    Yes.

    It seemed to me that Texas is meant to serve as a Southern version of the Republic of Quebec, minus being allowed to have any kind of standing army.

    One caveat being that DC's suburbs are much smaller than in our world (there was no rush to the suburbs after the SGW like there was after WWII in our world). Though West Virginia is home to a large number of military contractors...

    Fantastic work! This is definitely canon. I appreciate having a more detailed picture of the way the USA's defense is structure in TTL.

    It's a fairly conservative state in TTL, though it's often associated with Ohio and Pennsylvania in terms of regional identity in this world.

    It would certainly have been encouraged by the US authorities in TTL. And don't forget that West Virginia has had these new borders since the end of the First Great War.

    There's another factor at work regarding Texas that I don't believe I mentioned earlier. In the immediate years after the end of the Second Great War, Texas became the destination for several million ex-Confederates who refused to reconcile themselves to US rule. As of 2000, both Austin and Washington, D.C. prefer the current arrangement to any rocking of the boat.
     
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  3. FickleCrossroad Dormant Poet

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    Well, on THAT note... I'd want to be a Sequoah oil baron, and use a chunk of my profits building a gigantic mural on the north bank of the Red River that has people of all colors holding hands, and above, in 100ft tall letters, a neon sign that flashes "Freedom" across the border.

    Hopefully the tribes on US soil would be ok with that. :)
     
  4. Jape Seacombe Mod

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    Texas sounds like it could end up a nasty little rump. Question is how much TTL's atrocities highlight black oppression? If Washington is just keen to get rid of the the nutters rather than *de-Nazification they'll probably let it be, meaning a racist, nostalgic, bitter rump with restrictions on its black and even possibly its Latino population. Backed up by oil wealth. And depending on the level if emigres, with the whites in a solid majority.

    So a Rhodesia-cum-Dubai republic with a level of selective prosperity combined with selective liberty. Could be very interesting.

    Also am I right in believing Haiti becomes the Israel analogue of TL-191? Surely Liberia is better? It already has an English speaking, American descendent population, plus plenty of tensions with the Native Africans and was technically foundered to be America's destination for freed slaves.
     
  5. FickleCrossroad Dormant Poet

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    Everything's bigger in Texas... Except the gene pool. My question is, how hard do they try to keep anybody non-white in? Considering the society isn't even trying to look a non-white in the eye as an equal, how do they manage hiring for the grunt work without giving socialism an in? The idea that poor Texan whites could be turned on to Marx and Lincoln would have some Texan oil barons up all night.

    On the other hand, settling easily within the US's sphere of influence will add a factor of security. That call just makes sense to me.
     
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  6. jycee Well-Known Member

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    Maybe not, but popular culture could still give him the necessary notoriety later on. Featherston is the villain in the movie, Germans know him as the paranoid leader of the CSA, and he is being played by a famous actor or that bit is a famous performance as it was shown in an award ceremony. I think that is all you need for a meme to happen.
     
  7. ZincOxide Well-Known Member

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    Seriously dying laughing here :D
     
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  8. Poor Little Rhode Island Well-Known Member

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    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mental aural images of Feathston as Foghorn Leghorn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    "I say, I say, I want them Yankees killed! Killed, I tell ya!! Killed right to death! *(That boy just don't know what's good for him!)"
     
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  9. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    Agreed. It gives attention to a nation traditionally ignored in AH and for once is a Turtledovian parallelism that could actually work in a serious way.
     
  10. CT23 Well-Known Member

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    Some of the kids I wonder what happened to them:

    -Alexander Pomeroy (did he continue his mother's and grandfather's anti-US activities?)

    -Jorge and Pedro Rodriguez (did they basically continue a quiet life in Chihuahua?)
     
  11. jycee Well-Known Member

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    Muy guesses: Alex Pomeroy was arrested after leading a protest during Manitoba's admission to statehood. Honestly by his time - a generation into the annexation of Canada, I would assume most former Canadians are starting to see themselves as American. This would be especially true once they're given statehood and definitively by the time of Morgan Reynolds' presidency.

    Jorge and Pedro - probably lead a quiet life in Chihuahua. Hipolito was never that high up in Freedom Party ranks to be of notoriety. At the most the family gets bothered by the odd journalist / writer / filmmaker trying to write about life in the death camps.
     
  12. asupackman Well-Known Member

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    With all the new states being admitted the political influence of the US States prior to the second great war is going to become seriously diminished and alot of Canada may see it's easer accepting US rule and work on change from the inside as opposed to planting bombs and fighting for outright independence. Why fight a gurilla war when you can work to get someone elected to congress/senate/governor when you have basic constitutional protections of being a state. The feeling of being American may even evolve from being a citizen of the united states to being a citizen of the greater north american continent (that the US directly controls).
     
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  13. Archangel Battery-powered Bureaucrat

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    Nice map, Turquoise Blue!:)
     
  14. Nerdlinger All-around smartass

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    Your alter ego Arkhangelsk made the base map for that. ;)
     
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  15. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Here's 1960, sorry its a tad late...

    1960
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    Hubert Humphrey (S-MN)/Warren Magnuson (S-WA): 310 EV
    John W. Bricker (D-OH)/Nicholas Peterson (D-PA): 114 EV
    Harold Stassen (R-MN)/William Ward (R-IN): 14 EV
     
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  16. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    1964
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    Hubert Humphrey (S-MN)/Walter Magnuson (S-WA): 453 EV
    Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (D-MA)/Benjamin Cooper (D-MI): 51 EV
    Walter Judd (R-MN)/Garrett Schuster (R-NE): 5 EV

    A HUGE landslide for Humphrey[SIZE=2]!
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  17. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Have the two been canonized, Ms Jones ? Just asking, I want to include them on the list.
     
  18. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    He didn't object to the first one, and the second fits his guidelines, so yeah, they're canonized. Add them to the list.
     
  19. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Thanks ! :)
     
  20. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Also, add 1992, its fine too.