TL-191: After the End

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by David bar Elias, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. CT23 Well-Known Member

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    ITTL when Youtube comes up we'll have a bunch of "Featherston reacts to..." videos?
     
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  2. King Nazar Rex Imperator

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    Yeah, but those will be in English so the subtitle thing probably won't work.
     
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  3. Kaiser K Literally Scoop Jackson

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    Not if you dub it with the uploaders voice, or mute the video.
     
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  4. King Nazar Rex Imperator

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    Probably won't have the same comedic effect as seeing some guy screaming in German.
     
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  5. Kaiser K Literally Scoop Jackson

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    Maybe use a diffrent language format of the Confederate version of Downfall then? im sure it would be released in other then English.
     
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  6. ZincOxide Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it just doesn't have the same impact, I don't think.

    Plus, Featherston's probably seriously reviled that even in the 2000s movies that get made about him portray him as a bad guy.

    That "Valkyrie" equivalent in Turtledove's TL flopped like a wet spaghetti noodle so amazingly fast. I think it was done deliberately to show the difference between Stauffenberg (who actually had some goal in mind and capable people surrounding him) and Forrest, who apparently had the half-assed endgame in mind with no serious thought about all the ways Featherston could cross him up.
     
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  7. King Nazar Rex Imperator

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    Perhaps, but its gonna look odd if the President of the Confederate States of America is speaking in Greek or Mandarin or whatever . .

    Actually that could be pretty interesting to watch.
     
  8. ChineseDrone#48295857 Gotcha! You die anyway! Banned

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    You could have him speaking in comically incomprehensible Southern drawl.
     
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  9. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Yet another fortunate non-parallelism in TL-191.
     
  10. thekingsguard Founder of Korsgaardianism

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    So Texas remains independany until the end huh?
     
  11. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    All of this is canon except what the Republicans win, but I expect that to be canon as well...

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    [COLOR=Lime][SIZE=2]Harold Stas[SIZE=2]sen (R-MN)/John Hoyland (R-NE): 17 EV

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    Truman wins yet again, and makes gains from the Socs. The Reps keep firm, though..[SIZE=2]. [/SIZE]
     
  12. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    I admit surprise as an original state of America it has remained so. I would have sworn some text in the last book hinted independence was a formality and Texas would rejoin soon, but I could be wrong.
     
  13. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

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    So what's West Virginia like then...? With both coal and mountains...but also DC suburbs and a coastline...
     
  14. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Its more like the old Virginia, than the present Virginia.
     
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    USAF Organization post GW II:

    David, here's a possible USAF Organization for post GW II; feel free to modify it as necessary to fit...

    Tactical Air Command (same as OTL): what it means: air support for ground forces, tactical strikes on behind-the-lines targets, and gaining (and maintaining) air superiority over the battlefield. If analogues to the Matador, Mace, and later on, GLCM are operated by the USAF, TAC would operate those missile systems.

    Air Transport Command: All airlift assets, whether tactical airlift-including carrying paratroopers and their equipment-to strategic airlift to locales outside the U.S., belong to this command.

    Air Defense Command: Air Defense of the U.S. and its overseas territories/possessions. Including operation of SAM systems similar to both BOMARC and Nike-Hercules (later, HAWK and Patriot).

    Air Striking Command: This TL's SAC analogue. Medium and heavy bombers with intercontinential range, and ICBMs. Also operators of the service's air refueling assets, as they support tanker needs for all USAF branches.

    Special Operations Command: Support of Special Operations Forces for all service branches (AF, Army, Navy, Marines). Including combat-search-and-rescue forces, combat controllers, etc. Along with an analogue to the AC-130.

    All other commands (Air Training Command, Air Weather Service, Systems Command, Intelligence, etc.) would be the same as OTL.

    Comments?
     
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  16. thekingsguard Founder of Korsgaardianism

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    I would hope it would again... the Union needs to be whole again.

    Having traveled through much of NOVA, I'd say a good chunk of it would fit very well in West Virginia, as much of it is hill country. Toss in the DC Suburbs and it would be an interesting state to see develop.
     
  17. Umbric Man Umbric Manned

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    Agreed. I want Texas, back!

    It would be interesting since both WV historically and NOVA in the modern age have a distaste to southern-style Virginia. Perhaps this shared animosity, and a friendly willingness to leave the other section of the state alone in certain areas, allows them to work surprisingly fine together otherwise?
     
  18. Nerdlinger All-around smartass

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    I believe that Texas in this TL would be likely to vote Democratic, and since it would have about 25-30 EVs, it's likely that its admission to the union would be rather strongly opposed by both Socialists and Republicans. I'm not sure whether Texans would even want to join the US, though.
     
  19. brunohusker Well-Known Member

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    I know Featherston isn't from Texas, but make him talk kind of like Boomhauer from King of the Hill, or Foghorn Leghorn
     
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    You are all missing a big point; the meme doesn't have to appear/become popular in the Unites States. A film about the Confederacy's Downfall during Featherston's last days, as he flees from Richmond to Atlanta to Montgomery (there was no bunker in TL-191), can be made in the US. In it there is a scene where Featherston looses his shit; he would likely be speaking in an uncomfortable but not incomprehensible Southern drawl.
    The scene then becomes a popular meme in Germany or Russia (if you don't want too much parallelism) where the subtitles are switched out. It works for them but it doesn't quite work in the US.

    Also for some reason I'd expect the more developed parts of Africa in TTL to get a sick kick out of such comedy.
     
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