TL-191: After the End

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by David bar Elias, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. ZincOxide Well-Known Member

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    I think Caribbean culture would be more of a fusion with TTL's American culture than OTL, but presumably with many Spanish-speaking people (as well as creole French in Haiti) still present, especially given the states Chihuahua, Sonora and Baja California.
     
  2. Ze Kaiser Governor-General of Unova

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    Seconded. Motion carried. :D
     
  3. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Yeah. And I think Canada still has an distinct identity, but its tidily Americanized, so that everybody there identifies as Canadian-American.

    After all, you can't easily extinguish a long history of independence in a century. After all, its two centuries of independence against one of occupation and statehood.
     
  4. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    OK... With some help from David, I have made a 1992 election map. This is not canon until he says it is. I made some guesses and had to switch some states around...

    1992
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    Thurston DeFrancis (D-CA)/Unknown (D-??): 359 EV
    Alfred Turnbull (S-ON)/Unknown (S-??): 197 EV
    Patrick Gutierrez (R-NM)/Unknown (R-??): 55 EV

    A strong electoral majority but a bare popular mandate for the Democrats...
     
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  5. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    By the way, David. I'm interested in how Election Day works with such far-flung states.
     
  6. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Now I've finally realized how bizarre the TL-191 US looks by the end of the 20th century on maps. :eek: :) :cool:

    BTW, Gwen, I'll add your electoral maps to the TL's pages.
     
  7. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Don't! It needs some changes. I'll change them and tell you when.
     
  8. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Only '48 and '52. Or do you want to change those as well ?
     
  9. Turquoise Blue Blossoming Tibby!

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    Oh. No, no. They're fine. And I edited 1992, its canon, you can use it.
     
  10. jycee Well-Known Member

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    The map of the interwar period CSA is even more bizzare in my opinion. The TL map pages has a few of them and the shape of the whole thing is ridiculous.
     
  11. brunohusker Well-Known Member

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    So what culture would this inspire? Would we maybe have movies about Confederate Generals like we had with some German Generals in OTL (Movies like The Desert Fox in OTL, I've just started reading the TL 191 series so I wouldn't know who the equivalent of Rommel would be so some help might be in order since i've been scanning the Turtledove Wiki, and wikipedia for timeline 191 as well as this thread). Could we possibly see films by Steven Speilberg (if he existed, and lived through the CSA invasion of Ohio where he was born) make films about the black holocaust (like OTL's Schindler's List), or a film about finding a lost Iowa soldier in CSA territory)? Maybe too obvious, though I do think it would be cool to have a character like OTL's Indiana Jones fighting off CSA troops. Maybe TTL's Indy (i can't think of a good name for him) could look for the Fountain of Youth in Florida, or Excalibur in Britain and have to fight off CSA agents.

    One last thing, could you portray CSA soldiers humorously or as buffoons. For example, would their be a viral video of JAke Featherston unintelligibly ranting in a Southern Drawl that people would find funny :) or would that be seen as too lighthearded to portray the CSA that way?
     
  12. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Amusingly, I asked this very same thing a few years ago. :D
     
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  13. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    I'm afraid that is likely the case in TTL.

    The equivalent to Amtrak in TTL is USTrak: the name given to the modernized cross-country rail network constructed during the 1950s alongside the new Inter-State on the part of the Dewey and Truman Administrations.

    The equivalent of the Beeching Axe in TTL occurred during the 1950s.

    As of 2000, Austria-Hungary and Germany have the fastest trains, although the Americans, Bharatis, British, Brazilians, Chinese, French Italians, and Russians have been catching up.

    This is a generally accurate assessment.

    It depends on the area. If the world is behind our world in terms of certain technologies, there are more centers of learning and research in TTL than in OTL.

    English is the most widely spoken language in all three areas.

    Cuba is actually unique in that its state education system is bilingual. One of the early acts of goodwill by the US authorities on the island after the Second Great War was to allow for the allowing of schools to teach Spanish.

    I should mention that Baja California, Chihuahua, Cuba, and Sonora (along with California, Nevada, and New Mexico) are the most popular destinations for retirees in the United States as of 2000.

    In many ways the United States in TTL has a similar common culture that our world's USA does. On the other hand, there are key differences as well; for example, any kind of sectional politics is considered even more taboo than in our world.

    I will try to offer a clearer picture of US society as of 2009, when the ATL ends.

    Thank you! I'm glad it warranted your support.

    That generally is the case in TTL.

    Thanks!

    Suffice to say, US election laws in TTL (as of 2000) allow for early voting; ultimately, the Pacific states are the last to be called on Election Night.

    Although I didn't mention it in the first post, there was a surge of cinema and literature that focused on the common US experience during the Second Great War.

    I suppose there is an equivalent for our world's Indiana Jones in TTL, although he would be called something else entirely. The next update will hopefully clarify US cinema even further.

    Those sorts of portrayals of Featherston don't really become accepted by the US public until the 1980s in TTL.
     
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  14. CT23 Well-Known Member

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    Since Boeing existed in TL-191, who became its main competitor eventually (as Airbus did IOTL)?
     
  15. Petike Sky Pirate Extraordinaire

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    Well, someone has already asked about a hypothetical "Luftbus" a few pages ago. :p
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEgUleozZPo

    I made a Featherston bunker video; it's very rough around the edges, as I just transcribed the original Hitler video script into TL-191. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  17. Georgepatton Rollerblading into the Synthwave Future

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    Wow, that was awesome! :)
     
  18. Kriegdämmerung Well-Known Member

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    Indeed awesome! But wasn't Forrest already dead after trying to pull a *Valkyrie against Featherston by this point?
     
  19. Zmflavius Pelor Vult

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    No, I checked my copy of IATD, Forrest's coup came about a third of the way in, this was right at the beginning.
     
  20. Nerdlinger All-around smartass

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    Wow, you're awesome. :D