TL-191: After the End

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by David bar Elias, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. lothaw Texan Nationalist

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    Japanese Kamikaiznaughts! :eek:
     
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  2. Arkhangelsk Gay Mexamerican

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    Awesome update Dave! Your TL continues to enthrall me!

    Quick question, you mentioned the Persian Army involved in the SRCW, who do you postulate is running the show in Tehran? The Qajar Dynasty (1794-1925 in OTL) were the people in charge at the time TL 191's POD took place (1862). As far as I know the Qajars were weakened by the interference of Great Britain and Russia in OTL (ala the Great Game), which eventually led to the Constitutional Revolution at the turn of the 20th Century. Reza Pahlavi took advantage of this mayhem and in 1925 established the Pahlavi Dynasty (1925-1979 in OTL).

    Hehe, sorry I got onto a history burp, sometimes I can't help myself...

    back on topic, with all the aformentioned data, who controls Persia, the Qajars, the Pahlavis, or someone new altogether...?
     
  3. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! :)

    The Qajars are the rulers of Persia.
     
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    Sorry if this has been asked before but will Texas rejoin the US in the future?
     
  5. Arkhangelsk Gay Mexamerican

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    Ah, alright! With the Qajars in power then will we see some sort of "Great Rebuilding" akin to their neighbor, considering how the Qajars were given ample breathing space such as the Ottomans to reform after the Great War. How about any other bilateral activities between the the Persians and the Ottomans...? Considering Persia and the Ottoman Empire are the only two nations straddling the Middle East (and the threat Russia is presenting according to your TL) I'd imagine they'd work together on a few things...
     
  6. IchBinDieKaiser Casual Historian

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    They may be working together, but a rivalry between the two may still arise. As similar as they are they are still quite different.

    The Ottoman Empire is primarily filled with Turks and Arabs(yes there are other groups but there are so damn many of them.), while Persia is filled with Iranians, a completely different ethnic group. People of the middle east can be very ethno centric and not get along with each other.

    Plus there is still the difference in religion. Yes they are both Islamic, but the Ottoman Empire would be primarily Sunni and Persia is primarily Shi ite. Of course this means nothing if religious factors are just buterflied away.

    What is the impact on religion in this timeline? Wouldn't the Arabs want to revolt and gain independance? And is the funding of the rebels in central asia viewed as a Jihad for Persia and the Ottoman Empire?

    These are questions I'ld liked answered.
     
  7. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Persia will be undergoing its own "Great Rebuilding" in the coming years (among other nations). ;)

    There is resentment amongst many Persians for their being dependent on the Ottomans at all, but nothing that will translate into any sort of break in relations between the two powers.

    Islamic fundamentalism in general hasn't taken off in TTL. The support of the Central Asian rebels is, for the most part, seen as an excellent opportunity to weaken the Russians, not through any kind of religious struggle.

    And as of 1963, there are pan-Arab (and pan-Kurdish) movements in the OE, but they remain marginalized. There will not be an Arab (or Kurdish for that matter) uprising against the Ottomans.
     
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  8. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    How's the situation in Austria-Hungary going? they still seem pretty stable.
     
  9. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    The situation in A-H is good. They'll still be around at century's end. ;)
     
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  10. Hades Member

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    what happens to central Asia after the empire's fall?

    What next for Africa?

    What would Latin America look like?
     
  11. marcus_aurelius A BIRD and proud

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    A few things about the US Space Program:

    1. Where in New Mexico would the Mission Control be? Santa Fe or Albuquerque? It would be a bit weird for John Glenn to say "Albuquerque, we have a problem", I think...

    2. And by the way, what would the rockets be called?

    Marc A
     
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    No reason why they should not name them exactly the same on on OTL. The most important question is how they are going to upstage the Germans after the latter put the first satellite into orbit, first man in space and landed on the Moon first.
     
  13. Scipio Member

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    Long time lurker first time poster here.

    Firstly, many I echo the praise for this timeline, it is exceedingly well though out and analyzed. I look forward to seeing the latter stages of the 20th century.

    I have a question with regards to the second Russian civil war, you still have Petrograd as the capital of the Russian Empire but wasn't it completely superbombed by the Second Reich towards the end of the Greater World War? How could it have been rebuilt in only 20 years or so.
    Am I right in assuming that there is a Russian Socialist party (presumably based around the old Bolshevik cadres)?
    Plus I enjoyed the allusion to Lincoln's Gettysburg Address:D

    One further question if I may, what happens to Flora Blackford?
     
  14. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    I'll go into more detail about that area for 1964.

    Trouble in South Africa and United Rhodesia, Great Rebuilding projects, and the slow but steady erosion of Germany's colonial empire.

    Right now it's divided into members of the Compact of Democratic States (U.S. allies), and the Independence Movement (Brazilian allies).

    I haven't decided exactly where yet. :eek:

    Rockets.

    The Space Race will take a rather different trajectory in the coming decades compared to OTL. ;)

    Thanks! And welcome. :)

    The Russians managed to rebuild it, but it's a shell of its former self.

    Russia's Socialist Party does have a number of ex-Bolshevik survivors in it, though others will be joining the newly revived Communist Party...

    Thanks! It seemed something of an appropriate allusion to make. :cool:

    As of 1964, she's retired, and lives in New York City.
     
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  15. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    that reminds me, wasn't there a 'TL-191: where are they now?' thread?
    and if so, where is it?
     
  16. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    I haven't gotten to that part yet.
     
  17. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    oh.
    I thought someone else had did it.
     
  18. IchBinDieKaiser Casual Historian

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    It's not impossible. People thought that it would be at least 20 years before all the radiation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki would be low enough to even attempt rebuilding, but it only took 10 years. So it wouldn't be impossible. If the superbomb is the same strength as the atomic bomb we used on Japan IOTL then they could start rebuilding St.Petersburg in 1954.
     
  19. Scipio Member

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    ^ Therefore London and Paris must have been rebuilt to a extent by the Sixties, I wonder if the fourth Republic and the United Kingdom had made a recovery from the war?

    Is the Labour party in power or is there some kind of National Government?
     
  20. IchBinDieKaiser Casual Historian

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    Year 1964 is coming up, which means a presidential election. So I was wondering what the electoral college looked like now? Have the Republicans made any headway into becoming a major party again?