TL-191: After the End

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  1. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    not to mention what our British Members will be like.....
     
  2. CT23 Well-Known Member

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    With an increased Hispanic/Latino population (Cuba, Baja, Sonora, and Chihuahua); is it realistic that we could see a non-majority white person elected to the Presidency sooner than OTL (2008)?
     
  3. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Here's the rest of 1961:

    1961 onwards—As part of a new program to further bind the member states of the Independence Movement together, the governments of the Ottoman Empire and the Empire of Brazil announce the establishment of a brand new program aimed at completely developing their allies.

    Called the “Alliance for Peace and Friendship,” (although it will known by most as the "AfP" in the coming decades), the program’s stated goals are to fund new infrastructure, educational facilities, and agricultural projects among all of the member nations of the IM. Volunteers drawn from all over the two empires will be stationed for up to three years at a time, from Bharat to Bolivia, on these AfP-funded programs. It’s regarded as a showcase by many international observers as a showcase of the great economic prosperity that has emerged in both nations since the end of the Second Great War, a boom made possible as the continuing phenomenon of industrialization and reduction of trade barriers with their IM allies.

    Although initially an Ottoman and Brazilian program, the AfP will expand in the coming decades to include volunteers and administrators from all of the IM’s nations.

    Meanwhile, in the United States, growing numbers of young Southerners begin to enlist voluntarily in the military. Besides being one of the few well-paying employment opportunities available, many of these new enlistees consider it an act of rebelliousness against their parents’ generation to serve the U.S. in any way.

    There’s a great degree of distrust on the part of most military leaders about this new influx of Southern recruits. Up until this point, Southerners had been exempt from the selective service, although officially volunteers were always accepted (a rare phenomenon before the beginning of the current decade). In spite of their fears, there is no major outbreak of anti-U.S. violence on the part of these new soldiers, and such reluctance will have vanished on the part of the government with the advent of the Fourth Pacific War, later in the decade.

    July 1961—Riots continue to erupt in townships all over South Africa in the aftermath of the AN Massacre. Both the United States, as well as the Independence Movement increasingly aid the anti-Apartheid groups operating in the country. South African society becomes increasingly militarized in the coming years as a result of this pressure.

    A German scientist, Dr. Michael Fleischer, publishes an article detailing the discovery of a new and horrific disease that he discovered while in the Congo. Little noticed at the time of its publishing, the article goes on to describe the side-effects of the virus, which seems to waste away the victim’s immune system. The disease will be known as Fleischer's Syndrome in the coming years throughout the world.

    August 1961 onwards—The Russian government begins to make contingency plans to deal with the emergence of the Veteran’s Patriot Movement in the upcoming elections to the (mostly powerless) Duma. A far-right coalition, mostly of Second Great War veterans, the group is mostly known for their boisterous anti-Socialist, anti-German, and anti-American demonstrations. Unlike the case of the Freedom Party in the old CSA, the Movement is not led by a single charismatic figure, and is known for its frequent inter-party schisms.

    The Russian government is in fact more fearful of a resurgence of the old Socialist and Communist parties, which have been long-forced underground by the Tsarist regimes. Recently, they have been publicly blamed for the latest round of strikes, which has sent shockwaves through Moscow.

    August 4, 1961—Great Britain grants independence to both Northern and Southern Rhodesia, which subsequently vote to unite as one nation. The Free State of Rhodesia is under white-minority rule, which will cause it a great amount of pressure, both inwardly and from the outside world, especially from the United States and the Independence Movement.

    August 15, 1961—The last U.S. soldiers leave Haiti.

    August 20, 1961—The German and Austro-Hungarian Empires begin Project Zeus, a covert program to harness fusion power.

    September 1, 1961—The Bahamas (including Bermuda), the Sandwich Islands (excluding the militarily-governed Big Island), and Jamaica are admitted into the Union as states.

    September 29, 1961—In a ceremony at the White House, President Humphrey signs the Environmental and Wilderness Protection Act into law. The new bill dramatically increases the volume of land under Federal control, and establishes dozens of new national parks and national monuments, including several in the former Confederacy and Canada.

    October, 1961—A new organization based on the Big Island, calling itself “Mormons of the Union” begins to lobby the U.S. government for permission to send out missionaries. In spite of this group's professed and earnest patriotism, these first requests fall on deaf ears. This situation will not change for another couple of decades, until the general relaxing of American society during the late 1970s and ‘80s.

    December 31, 1961—With no small assistance from the O.S.S.’s Office of Special Investigations, agents from Cassius Madison’s Remembrance Center manage to capture their intended targets and extradite them to the United States. These two men have been wanted since the end of the Second Great War, and their subsequent trial will be the single biggest event of 1962…

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  4. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    Fleischer's Syndrome sounds like a better name than AIDS.

    would they really call the state Hawaii even if they're missing the Island of Hawaii?
     
  5. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Point taken. I suppose "The Sandwich Islands" makes more sense in TTL. :eek:
     
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  6. Fenrir_Angerboda Guitar Dad Dads you

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    yeah, the US never really gave a damn about changing the name when they got it, so why bother changing it...what, 40+/- years latter?
     
  7. Constantinople Trump is Temporary, but hey, Brexit is forever Banned

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    Yay! Republican revival. But will they be libertarian, just plain right, or something new?
     
  8. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Somewhat libertarian, mixed in with something new. ;)
     
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    Great update David bar Elias!
     
  10. Jord839 Well-Known Member

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    Very good,DbE!:)

    One thing: Should it really say Fleischer's Syndrome Syndrome? I think you accidentally typed the same word again.
     
  11. Polish Eagle AntiFa Supersoldier

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    Great update. Just hoping Rhodesia doesn't end up like Zimbabwe IOTL.
     
  12. Arkhangelsk Gay Mexamerican

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    A question on the Compact of Democratic States. According to the OP, the CDS is a military alliance. With the Fourth Pacific War looming on the horizon, will the member states of the CDS be supplying troops to aid the United States in the war against Japan?
     
  13. David bar Elias Well-Known Member

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    Ayup; Chile, Mexico, Ireland, Quebec, Haiti, Australia, New Zealand, and (even) Texas in particular will contribute soldiers to the conflict (to varying degrees in regards to numbers).
     
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  14. Arkhangelsk Gay Mexamerican

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    This sounds like fun, thanks David :D
     
  15. CT23 Well-Known Member

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    Will Germany/Russia play a role in the next Pacific War? They each have nominal rivalries with the major combatants so they might try to bring them down a peg by aiding a certain side.



    On the other hand, except for the Alaska issue ITTL, the US and Russia have never really been enemies so they both might try to gang up on the bigger threat, Japan.
     
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  16. Michael B Doomfarer

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    The Germans are nominal allies of the USA so they might very well sit it out. On the other hand there are the perfidious British who were allies of the Japanese at the start of the century who might decide to bygones be bygones over Malaya and start shipping arms to Canuck guerrillas and therefore need to be kept in line.

    The Alaska issue is paramount, at least according to the nationalist Russia is Our Motherland's leader Nikita Khrushchev. Given that the USA have stolen sacred Russian territory the lickspittles in St Petersburg should not be supporting the Americans but sending an invasion fleet to retake the colony. And of course ship arms to Canuck guerrillas.
     
  17. manofsteelwool Well-Known Member

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    I asked DBE a few questions about the Japanese-American War and he said there will be a few events in Europe affecting Russia's and Germany's response to the war in the Pacific. That's all I am willing to tell you.:)
     
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    I do hope a few more countries get the bomb in this world.
     
  19. Arkhangelsk Gay Mexamerican

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    Africa's future...

    Here's a question on Africa, concerning German holdings on that continent. When Germany does get to granting independence to its colonies, will it have a system akin to the Commonwealth the UK has in OTL? If memory serves me right I recall David mentioning future independent German colonies will be in the orbit of the EC...or something along those lines...

    Also, the political map of Africa may look interesting by centuries end...Would Germany split Mittelafrika up into an independent Kamerun, Congo and Tanganyika? Would West Africa follow the same path as OTL?

    It would also be interesting which conflicts (if any) get butterflied away, and which conflicts are solely ATL. For example, if memory serves me right (I'm too lazy to look this up right now, I should be asleep, hehe...) German East Africa consists of modern day Tanzania, Zanzibar, Rwanda and Burundi. Would an independent Tanganyika include all these territories, and possibly buttuerfly away the Rwandan Genocide, considering the Hutu and Tutsi will possibly be sharing this new nation with dozens of other ethnic groups from across this vast strech of East Africa. On that same token, there may possibly be new unknown conflics emerging from independence onwards...

    ...oh, and what repracussions would the Congo Affair have on the status of Africa, German or otherwise...
     
  20. Michael B Doomfarer

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    You can expect non-adjacent colonies to form different countries. Beyond that one factor would be the numbers of white colonists.

    After independence another factor would be potential invasion of smaller ex-colonies by their larger neighbours.

    I would add a third factor, the possibility of the Germans creating enclaves to be retained for use as bases (eg such as the British have in Cyprus). An obvious one would by the island of Zanzibar which could be used to support a naval base and thus bolster German interests in Africa.

    Assuming the number of whites are low in number, we could end up with four countries, Kamerun, Congo, Namibia and Tanganyika plus the retained colony of Zanzibar.