TL-191: After the End

With relations between the Russian Republic and the CP's client states described as a sort of "strained politeness", do/did politicians start to make diplomatic and apology tours, and pay heavy amounts of restitution and compensation to those countries/groups affected once the new Republic was proclaimed?

No, the Russian Republic never offered anything in the way of public apology or compensation for the conduct of the Russian Empire during the Second Great War.
 
Wouldnt a military occupation for over 30 years if not radicalizing many former Confederates it would at least help keep the memory of the CSA alive for another generation or 2 because every child in the Midsouth would know why those forces were there ? They would learn more the older they got with many older residents describing the days of the CSA as the good old days ? I know you said there is no active hungering for a return to the CSA that exists but what about for the rest of the 20th Century ?

Those kinds of distorted memories of the former CSA in the postwar could only go so far in the face of overwhelming US military power, and in a situation where the US authorities maintained a tight control over public education in the region.

After the catastrophic failure of the prewar US efforts to appease the CSA, the postwar US governments were not going to accommodate any wishes by residents of the Midsouth for a Confederate restoration.
 
First of all, why the year 2162? And how is the Ecological Union to sustain itself in this very isolationist way for 150 years after the Tohoku Earthquake? If nobody is supposed to be little more than a farmer, what education do Japanese children receive? And when was the first cohort born to be successfully mis-educated that powered flight doesn't exist? Considering there are serious backlashes IOTL going on (Taliban on women's rights in Afghanistan) or menacingly near (overturning Roe v. Wade), such a scenario is even more chilling because it's now closer too home. No progress can be taken for granted. And this looks a bit like a Democratic Kampuchea under Pol Pot, but without the auto-genocide.

2162 was a reference to an epilogue to this ATL that’s come up for discussion several times in this thread.

The Ecological Union was a case of gradual ideological radicalization on the part of the new regime. There was already an anti-technology and anti-industrial aspect to the way that Ecoist political thought developed in Japan during the Syndicalist years. By the mid-21st Century, this anti-technology, anti-industrial, and anti-modern worldview was in place throughout the Ecological Union’s government and educational system.

By 2162, almost no one in the Ecological Union receives education beyond the equivalent to a US high school education. Certain subjects, such as astronomy, physics, foreign languages, and higher mathematics, are not taught at all. Most of the population is locked down in farm work, both in the countryside and in the vertical farms of the major cities. The cities of the Ecological Union have been shrinking for decades by 2162, due to a lack of proper maintenance. The Ecological Union also outlawed vaccines.
 
No, the Russian Republic never offered anything in the way of public apology or compensation for the conduct of the Russian Empire during the Second Great War.
So is there some sort of historical revisionism movement like in Japan? And why didn't the Republic move towards full reconciliation against their former adversaries and client states in Europe? (Except for the Ottomans) That would've seem like the way to go with the Empire finally falling and the Russian people bringing in a new change.
 
Honestly the biggest surprise is a Luddite isolationist regime lasting for over a century. I figured either the CDS would've put it out of its misery, a reformist/pragmatic faction would've assumed control, the second Japanese Spring would've occurred, or the Volunteer Brigades would've just couped the hardliners and turn it into a fairly generic military dictatorship long before 2162.

Hell if it wasn't for Ezo likely having its own separate ethnic identity by 2162, I figured they would've tried soloing the Ecos. I know the Volunteer Brigades are exempt from the technological ban but considering they have no domestic industry or foreign suppliers, they can't be that tough.
 
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So what were the results of the 2020 census as far as total demographic breakdown -total percentages of the population if not raw numbers -of the US population as far as what in OTL we would call white,black,Hispanic,Native and Asian ? Also what regions or states of the US have the largest black and Native populations ? Also when it comes to electoral votes are we seeing a shift south and west as per OTL or more of one north into Canada as well ? Also I must reread as soon as possible but has there ever been a non white or female president by 2022. I should know this.
 
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Thanks, David bar Elias. I employed the search function and found the epilogue. Imagine there would be a joint OTO operation to purge the Ecologist Union government (which sounds like purging the Kim regime IOTL present North Korea) in the late 22nd century, just for the sake of the argument. How quickly would a post-Ecoist Japan adapt to the rest of the world? An education level that could at best be compared to Portugal under the Estado Novo regime combined with brainwashing comparable to Stalinism. It seems that Japan would need three to four generations or, more precisely, about 100 years to overcome the brakes in its development.
 
So is there some sort of historical revisionism movement like in Japan? And why didn't the Republic move towards full reconciliation against their former adversaries and client states in Europe? (Except for the Ottomans) That would've seem like the way to go with the Empire finally falling and the Russian people bringing in a new change.

Not so much historical revisionism as an ingrained sense that the Russian people and their republican government should not be held responsible for a discredited and since overthrown royal house.

As to why the Russian Republic did not move toward political reconciliation with their immediate neighbors, it was primarily because the country’s immediate neighbors were part of alliances that were not considered friendly by the Russian government: the European Community and the Independence Movement.
 
So what were the results of the 2020 census as far as total demographic breakdown -total percentages of the population if not raw numbers -of the US population as far as what in OTL we would call white,black,Hispanic,Native and Asian ? Also what regions or states of the US have the largest black and Native populations ? Also when it comes to electoral votes are we seeing a shift south and west as per OTL or more of one north into Canada as well ? Also I must reread as soon as possible but has there ever been a non white or female president by 2022. I should know this.

By 2022, the US population is approaching 300 million people.

I can’t give anything in terms of specific numbers, except that the USA has larger Asian, Hispanic, Jewish, Native American/Alaska Native and Pacific Islander populations in comparison to our world. The largest Asian community in the United States by 2022 is the Chinese-American community, while the largest Hispanic community is the Mexican-American community. The USA also has the world’s single largest Jewish community, at just over 15 million people.

The USA has a far smaller African-American community in comparison to our world. This is the direct result of the Destruction and postwar flight of most survivors to Haiti. By 2022, the USA does have an African-American community, but it’s divided, broadly, into three smaller communities: those descended from the pre-Second Great War African-American community in the US, a larger Afro-Caribbean community, and immigrants from different African countries.

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The USA has one almost exclusively Native American state (Nunavut) by 2022.

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By 2022, there has been a shift towards the Canadian states, in terms of electoral power.

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The USA has had its first Jewish president by 2022, with Joshua Blackford (1973-1981). The USA has also had two Hispanic presidents by 2022: Patrick Gutierrez (1997-2005) and Sergio Hernandez (2005-2013).

The first woman to gain the nomination of a major US political party was Senator Mildred Morrell-Quigley of Kansas. She was nominated by the Democrats for the 1980 election, only to lose to Morgan Reynolds.
 

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By 2022, the US population is approaching 300 million people.

I can’t give anything in terms of specific numbers, except that the USA has larger Asian, Hispanic, Jewish, Native American/Alaska Native and Pacific Islander populations in comparison to our world. The largest Asian community in the United States by 2022 is the Chinese-American community, while the largest Hispanic community is the Mexican-American community. The USA also has the world’s single largest Jewish community, at just over 15 million people.

The USA has a far smaller African-American community in comparison to our world. This is the direct result of the Destruction and postwar flight of most survivors to Haiti. By 2022, the USA does have an African-American community, but it’s divided, broadly, into three smaller communities: those descended from the pre-Second Great War African-American community in the US, a larger Afro-Caribbean community, and immigrants from different African countries.

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The USA has one almost exclusively Native American state (Nunavut) by 2022.

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By 2022, there has been a shift towards the Canadian states, in terms of electoral power.

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The USA has had its first Jewish president by 2022, with Joshua Blackford (1973-1981). The USA has also had two Hispanic presidents by 2022: Patrick Gutierrez (1997-2005) and Sergio Hernandez (2005-2013).

The first woman to gain the nomination of a major US political party was Senator Mildred Morrell-Quigley of Kansas. She was nominated by the Democrats for the 1980 election, only to lose to Morgan Reynolds.
Thanks .One thing about this disturbs me really.Why the flight of most Destruction survivors to Haiti which also had a horrible Destruction camp of its own ? Were they not welcome in the US outside of the former CSA which would have had a small but sizable number like Cincanattus and his family. Why would such people who were American want to go to Haiti ?
 
Honestly the biggest surprise is a Luddite isolationist regime lasting for over a century. I figured either the CDS would've put it out of its misery, a reformist/pragmatic faction would've assumed control, the second Japanese Spring would've occurred, or the Volunteer Brigades would've just couped the hardliners and turn it into a fairly generic military dictatorship long before 2162.

Hell if it wasn't for Ezo likely having its own separate ethnic identity by 2162, I figured they would've tried soloing the Ecos. I know the Volunteer Brigades are exempt from the technological ban but considering they have no domestic industry or foreign suppliers, they can't be that tough.

The Volunteer Brigades are more or less the Ecological Union’s equivalent to the Saddam Hussein regime’s Republican Guard from our world. It’s comprised of true believers who are given access to luxuries and resources unavailable to the general population. If the Volunteer Brigades did launch a coup, it would probably be out of a belief that the government was insufficiently devoted to the cause of the Ecological Union.

The Republic of Ezo wouldn’t mind expanding to include the rest of the Home Islands, but wouldn’t be able to launch an invasion without the support of the Chinese, Russians, and US.

By 2162, the debate over launching an expedition against the Ecological Union has been a long running one among the member states of OTO and the CDS. The great powers who lead the OTO can never seem to come to an agreement on the matter.

China has long favored launching an invasion of the Ecological Union. However, this has long been opposed by Russia, which does not want the territory of the Ecological Union to come under Chinese rule. The USA, no matter the administration, was never in favor of launching a war against the Ecological Union without an actual threat, either to the US itself or to a CDS ally. Korea, a member of OTO and still a member of the CDS, tends to favor an invasion, but only if the USA takes control over some territory to counterbalance China.

The Empire of Brazil, like the USA, doesn’t favor an invasion of the Ecological Union without an actual threat to the members of OTO. The very large Japanese-Brazilian community does tend to favor removing the Ecological Union, so that Japan can rejoin the international community as a “normal” country.

By 2162, the Chinese government is actively lobbying the Russians, Brazilians, and USA to support a joint attack on the Ecological Union. The Chinese government is making progress with the US president, who, as it happens, has territorial ambitions for the Union on Earth, as well as in Outer Space.
 
Not so much historical revisionism as an ingrained sense that the Russian people and their republican government should not be held responsible for a discredited and since overthrown royal house.

As to why the Russian Republic did not move toward political reconciliation with their immediate neighbors, it was primarily because the country’s immediate neighbors were part of alliances that were not considered friendly by the Russian government: the European Community and the Independence Movement.
Basically it's like what Turkey today does here to avoid taking blame for the Armenian genocide. Here the Russian Republic does much in a similar vein by avoiding collective guilt/national regret, but at least they acknowledge and teach perhaps much of the Empire's atrocities committed in the past by the looks of it.
 
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By 2162, the Chinese government is actively lobbying the Russians, Brazilians, and USA to support a joint attack on the Ecological Union. The Chinese government is making progress with the US president, who, as it happens, has territorial ambitions for the Union on Earth, as well as in Outer Space.
I wonder if the US President will agree on it. Is the Ecological Union is fit to fight the Great Powers as of 2162?
 
I wonder if the US President will agree on it. Is the Ecological Union is fit to fight the Great Powers as of 2162?

Not David, obviously, but like Iraq it won’t take a lot to topple over the rotten edifice. The real issue is occupying a nation full of people who have effectively been cut off from the rest of the world for two centuries.
 
Thanks, David bar Elias. I employed the search function and found the epilogue. Imagine there would be a joint OTO operation to purge the Ecologist Union government (which sounds like purging the Kim regime IOTL present North Korea) in the late 22nd century, just for the sake of the argument. How quickly would a post-Ecoist Japan adapt to the rest of the world? An education level that could at best be compared to Portugal under the Estado Novo regime combined with brainwashing comparable to Stalinism. It seems that Japan would need three to four generations or, more precisely, about 100 years to overcome the brakes in its development.

It would likely take at least a century, as you say, to address the effects of the Ecological Union. This is assuming that there aren’t other complications resulting from an intervention by OTO.
 
Thanks .One thing about this disturbs me really.Why the flight of most Destruction survivors to Haiti which also had a horrible Destruction camp of its own ? Were they not welcome in the US outside of the former CSA which would have had a small but sizable number like Cincanattus and his family. Why would such people who were American want to go to Haiti ?

In the immediate aftermath of the Second Great War, one of the major uncertainties for the survivors of the Destruction in the former CSA was on if the US would remain, considering the prewar fates of Kentucky and Houston. In the end, there was an overwhelming desire by most survivors leave the former CSA behind; this did not translate as necessarily wanting to become US citizens, although some survivors did move north.

If most survivors of the Destruction had wanted to leave for elsewhere in the USA, then the Dewey administration would have accommodated their decisions.
 
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