TL-191: After the End

How is Texan history taught in Texas public schools ITTL’s 2022?

By 2022, the public education system in Texas emphasizes Texas as a distinct national entity even when it was part of another nation. By 2022, the history of the Destruction is also a significant part of the public school curriculum.
 
What's the statuses of the following Axis collaborators of OTL?
Belgium
--Staf Declerq
--Léon Degrelle
--Hendrik Elias
--Ward Hermans
--Joris Van Severen
Burma
--Ba Maw
Croatia
--Mile Budak
--Jure Francetić
--Slavko Kvartenik
--Nikola Mandić
--Ante Pavelić
Czechoslovakia
--Emil Hácha
--Jozef Tiso
Denmark
--Frits Clausen
Hungary
--Ferenc Szálasi
India
--Subhas Chandra Bose (Does he lead a successful rebellion, secure independence, and perhaps be a prominent politician in the new Bharat?)
Latvia
--Viktors Arājs
Lithuania
--Kazys Škirpa
Netherlands
--Anton Mussert
Norway
--Vidkun Quisling (Collaboration with the invading British?)
Mengjiang
--Demchugdongrub
Philippines
--José P. Laurel
Russia
--Sergei Bunyachenko
--Bronislav Kaminski
--Konstantin Rodzaevsky (Secretary General of the Russian Fascist Party and Japanese collaborator IOTL. With the Whites wining the Civil War, does he rise to prominence?)
--Andrey Vlasov
--Anastasy Vonsyatsky (IOTL he was arrested and went to prison in the US for engaging in contacts with the Nazis. Does he become prominent post-Civil War.)
Serbia
--Pavle Đurišić*
--Dobroslav Jevđević*
--Draža Mihailović*
--Milan Nedić
--Kosta Milovanović*
Slovenia
--Leon Rupnik
Thailand
--Plaek Phibunsongkhram ("Marshal P")
Ukraine
--Stepan Bandera*
--Mykhaylo Omelianovych-Pavlenko
--Roman Shukhevych*
--Yaroslav Stetsko
Vietnam
--Bảo Đại (Last Emperor of Vietnam)

*selective role
I recommend you split answering these on a country-by-country basis.

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The analogue to Emil Hácha in TTL, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He had a quiet, undistinguished career as a lawyer in private practice, first in Prague and later in Vienna. He retired in 1946 and died in 1956.

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The analogue to Jozef Tiso in TTL, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. As in our world, Tiso was eventually ordained as a Catholic priest. He died of food poisoning in 1918 while on a trip to Budapest.

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The analogue in TTL to Ferenc Szálasi, of the same day, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Austro-Hungarian military during the First Great War. He died of typhus while serving on the Eastern Front in 1917.

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The analogue to Frits Clausen in TTL, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Imperial German Army during the First Great War. He was killed in action on the Western Front in 1915.

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The analogue to Anton Mussert, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. As in our world, Mussert attended Delft University of Technology. Mussert died in an industrial accident in 1927 while working in a factory in Rotterdam.

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The analogue to Vidkun Quisling in TTL, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. As in our world, Quisling served in the Norwegian army. He was killed during the Entente’s attempted invasion of Norway during the Second Great War.
 
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Whatever became of that 16 year old Cuban rebel named “Fidel”?
TTL’s analogue to Fidel Castro eventually became very wealthy, initially through a number of lucrative real estate deals throughout Cuba, before branching out in the 1970s and 1980s into businesses related to tourism, especially gambling. He never went into politics, although he, like most Cubans, tended to support the Socialist Party.
 
How is Texas viewed when compared to the USA? Is it similar to the OTL comparison of Austria to Germany, meaning is Texas seen as a mini, conservative America?
 
How is Texas viewed when compared to the USA? Is it similar to the OTL comparison of Austria to Germany, meaning is Texas seen as a mini, conservative America?
It seems more like a mini CSA except unlike the CSA it obtained and maintained its independence.
 
Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball don’t exist in this world, although there is an analogue to Arnaz’s family, which by 2022 is still one of the wealthiest families in Cuba.
Did they manage to not go Freedomite ?

Also is there a Mount Rushmore and if so who is on it ?

Also who is on the American currency in 2022 ?

and what about Gene Roddenberry and Rod Serling ?
 
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Did they manage to not go Freedomite ?

Also is there a Mount Rushmore and if so who is on it ?

Also who is on the American currency in 2022 ?

and what about Gene Roddenberry and Rod Serling ?

The family, unlike many other families from Cuba’s local landowning aristocracy, was opposed to the Freedom Party. However, they kept their opposition quiet. It wasn’t until the end of the Second Great War, when the local rebellion was all but certain of victory and the first US forces arrived on Cuba, that the family openly declared their support of the anti-Freedom Party rebels.

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I do not recall if an equivalent to Mount Rushmore exists in the series. In TTL, there is a large stone monument to Theodore Roosevelt and his Unauthorized Regiment in Montana, not unlike Roosevelt’s OTL Mount Rushmore carving. This monument to Roosevelt and the Unauthorized Regiment in Montana was opened in the early 1980s to mark the centenary of the Second Mexican War and the Battle of the Teton River.

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By 2022, George Washington is one the one dollar bill, Alexander Hamilton is on the five dollar bill, Benjamin Franklin is one the ten dollar bill, Charles La Follette is on the fifty dollar bill, and Theodore Roosevelt is on the one hundred dollar bill.

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This is what I already wrote for Roddenberry and Serling:

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The Roddenberry family never moved to El Paso in TTL. The family was living further east, in another area of Texas, by the end of the FGW. There was a male child born to the Rodenberry family in 1920, but with a different name (Wes Roddenberry) and ultimately different fate to our world’s Gene Roddenberry: growing up in the post-defeat CSA and then under the Freedom Party regime, conscripted into the CS military, participant in Operation Blackbeard, severely wounded and taken prisoner by US forces in the Battle of Pittsburgh, and ultimately repatriated to the new Republic of Texas in 1944. After the end of the war, Wes Roddenberry worked for over four decades as a file clerk, before retiring in 1986. Wes Roddenberry never worked in film, television, or had any particular interest in science fiction.

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Rod Serling doesn’t exist in TTL. By 2021, there hasn’t been a US television show that’s closely analogous our world’s The Twilight Zone.

However, many of the themes explored in the OTL show were present more broadly in the horror genre as it developed in the USA in TTL during the postwar years, especially the use of horror as social commentary and horror scenarios as the basis for psychological thrillers.
 
What's the statuses of the following Axis collaborators of OTL?
Belgium
--Staf Declerq
--Léon Degrelle
--Hendrik Elias
--Ward Hermans
--Joris Van Severen
Burma
--Ba Maw
Croatia
--Mile Budak
--Jure Francetić
--Slavko Kvartenik
--Nikola Mandić
--Ante Pavelić
Czechoslovakia
--Emil Hácha
--Jozef Tiso
Denmark
--Frits Clausen
Hungary
--Ferenc Szálasi
India
--Subhas Chandra Bose (Does he lead a successful rebellion, secure independence, and perhaps be a prominent politician in the new Bharat?)
Latvia
--Viktors Arājs
Lithuania
--Kazys Škirpa
Netherlands
--Anton Mussert
Norway
--Vidkun Quisling (Collaboration with the invading British?)
Mengjiang
--Demchugdongrub
Philippines
--José P. Laurel
Russia
--Sergei Bunyachenko
--Bronislav Kaminski
--Konstantin Rodzaevsky (Secretary General of the Russian Fascist Party and Japanese collaborator IOTL. With the Whites wining the Civil War, does he rise to prominence?)
--Andrey Vlasov
--Anastasy Vonsyatsky (IOTL he was arrested and went to prison in the US for engaging in contacts with the Nazis. Does he become prominent post-Civil War.)
Serbia
--Pavle Đurišić*
--Dobroslav Jevđević*
--Draža Mihailović*
--Milan Nedić
--Kosta Milovanović*
Slovenia
--Leon Rupnik
Thailand
--Plaek Phibunsongkhram ("Marshal P")
Ukraine
--Stepan Bandera*
--Mykhaylo Omelianovych-Pavlenko
--Roman Shukhevych*
--Yaroslav Stetsko
Vietnam
--Bảo Đại (Last Emperor of Vietnam)

*selective role
I recommend you split answering these on a country-by-country basis.

The analogue in TTL to Staf Declerq was Jeroom Declerq, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He fled with his family to the Netherlands during the First Great War, and remained there following the end of the conflict.

Jeroom Declerq, in Dutch exile, became in the world of Flemish nationalism, and played an instrumental role in the ultimate political division of the Belgian exile community. Jeroom Declerq was killed in 1941 during the Entente’s invasion of the Netherlands.

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The analogue in TTL to Léon Degrelle was Ignace Degrelle, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. His family fled German-occupied Belgium after the end of the First Great War, rather than accept the offer of German citizenship. After a brief period in France, Degrelle’s family emigrated to the Empire of Brazil in 1922 and settled, like many Belgian immigrants to Brazil during this time, in Rio de Janeiro. Ignace Degrelle died from dysentery in 1925.

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The analogue in TTL to Hendrik Elias was Jozef Elias, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Unlike in our world, Jozef Elias did not become involved in Flemish nationalist politics. His family fled German-occupied Belgium for France in 1917, and ultimately accepted an offer of resettlement, like many Belgian emigres who remained in France during the interwar period, to French-ruled Algeria. Jozef Elias died from heatstroke in Algiers in 1924.

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The analogue in TTL to Ward Hermans was Cornelius Hermans, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Belgian Army during the First Great War, and was killed in action on the Western Front in early 1917.

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The analogue in TTL to Joris Van Severen was Georges Van Severen. He served in the Belgian Army during the First Great War, and was killed in action on the Western Front in 1915.

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The analogue in TTL to Leon Rupnik was Lav Rupnik, born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Austro-Hungarian Army during the First Great War, and was killed in action on the Eastern Front in 1915.
 
For the map makers here, did Thailand acquire the Shan States from British Burman and parts of Northern Malaya when they sided with the Japanese? Were they returned or kept after the 4th Pacific War if so?
 
Questions...?

Considering Alaska was a Russian colony until the mid 20th century, would we see a much more Russified Alaska when it enters the Union (e.g. the capital remaining at New Archangel (OTL Sitka), significant Russian population, Russian city names, ect.)

Also, on the subject of the US Congress. According to the Turtledove Wiki, the US Congress was moved to Independence Hall when Philadelphia became the de-facto capital. While the number of states in 1944 represented was lower in TTL USA (33 I believe), accomidation was not much of an issue I guess. However, as the US begins to admit more states into the Union, what course of action would the US take to accomadate the subsaquent influx of congressman and women. Would they expand on Independence Hall to allow more Reps and Senators? Would they return to the Capitol Building in DC, or would they build a bigger legislature in Philadelphia?

The former seems the least likely to me than the other two latter considering Independence Hall holds historical value. Then again, this is a completely diffrent timeline we're talking about, so my argument holds little validity...

any ideas...?
I hope the US keeps the capital in Philadelphia, for one it was the birthplace of the United States and the original capital. Washington was made the capital as a compromise between north and south. I think if they kept it in Philadelphia it would be a subtle "screw you" to the treasonous ex-Confederacy.
 
I hope the US keeps the capital in Philadelphia, for one it was the birthplace of the United States and the original capital. Washington was made the capital as a compromise between north and south. I think if they kept it in Philadelphia it would be a subtle "screw you" to the treasonous ex-Confederacy.
I cannot abide by this, even if I understand the reasoning - Washington has suffered as a frontline city for many years, and the south was as much a part of the founding of America as the north was. It is a triumph both for the Union as a concept, the north overall, and Washington itself to see the capital moved back and a return to prosperity - but also a chance for the south to move on from its horrid past and be part of the nation it helped conceived once again.
 
I wonder if in this timeline if someone calls it an "American death camp", an American will correct them and say it was a "Confederate death camp" the same way it was when some people mistakenly call it "Polish death camps" rather than German.
 
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I hope the US keeps the capital in Philadelphia, for one it was the birthplace of the United States and the original capital. Washington was made the capital as a compromise between north and south. I think if they kept it in Philadelphia it would be a subtle "screw you" to the treasonous ex-Confederacy.

Keeping the US capital in Philadelphia was never in the cards in TTL. One of the priorities of the Dewey administration was to rebuild Washington as a symbol of national reunion. The postwar relocation of the US government to Washington was also due to practical reasons, because of the devastation of Philadelphia in the Confederate superbomb attack.
 
What's the statuses of the following Axis collaborators of OTL?
Belgium
--Staf Declerq
--Léon Degrelle
--Hendrik Elias
--Ward Hermans
--Joris Van Severen
Burma
--Ba Maw
Croatia
--Mile Budak
--Jure Francetić
--Slavko Kvartenik
--Nikola Mandić
--Ante Pavelić
Czechoslovakia
--Emil Hácha
--Jozef Tiso
Denmark
--Frits Clausen
Hungary
--Ferenc Szálasi
India
--Subhas Chandra Bose (Does he lead a successful rebellion, secure independence, and perhaps be a prominent politician in the new Bharat?)
Iraq
--Rashid Ali Al-Gaylani
Israel-Palestine
--Amin Al-Husseini
Latvia
--Viktors Arājs
Lithuania
--Kazys Škirpa
Netherlands
--Anton Mussert
Norway
--Vidkun Quisling (Collaboration with the invading British?)
Mengjiang
--Demchugdongrub
Philippines
--José P. Laurel
Russia
--Sergei Bunyachenko
--Bronislav Kaminski
--Konstantin Rodzaevsky (Secretary General of the Russian Fascist Party and Japanese collaborator IOTL. With the Whites wining the Civil War, does he rise to prominence?)
--Andrey Vlasov
--Anastasy Vonsyatsky (IOTL he was arrested and went to prison in the US for engaging in contacts with the Nazis. Does he become prominent post-Civil War.)
Serbia
--Pavle Đurišić*
--Dobroslav Jevđević*
--Draža Mihailović*
--Milan Nedić
--Kosta Milovanović*
Slovenia
--Leon Rupnik
Thailand
--Plaek Phibunsongkhram ("Marshal P")
Ukraine
--Stepan Bandera*
--Mykhaylo Omelianovych-Pavlenko
--Roman Shukhevych*
--Yaroslav Stetsko
Vietnam
--Bảo Đại (Last Emperor of Vietnam)

*selective role
I recommend you split answering these on a country-by-country basis.
Edit: a couple more added.

The analogue in TTL to Mile Budak, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He was arrested in 1913 for his involvement in a plot to assassinate the Ban of Croatia-Slavonia, and was executed for treason in early 1914.

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Jure Francetić doesn’t exist in TTL.

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The analogue in TTL to Slavko Kvartenik, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Austro-Hungarian Army in the First Great War. He was killed while serving on the Eastern Front in 1916.

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The analogue to Nikola Mandić in TTL, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Unlike in our world, Mandić did not serve in the Diet of Bosnia. He was still serving as deputy mayor of Sarajevo when he died in 1918 during the Influenza Pandemic.

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The analogue in TTL to Ante Pavelić, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He never became involved in political activity in TTL, and instead followed his parents into a career in working on railways. Pavelić died in 1907 when he was hit by a train in Sarajevo.

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The analogue in TTL to José P. Laurel, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. Laurel cane of age during the Hispano-Japanese War, and the subsequent occupation and annexation of the Philippines by the Empire of Japan. Laurel, who had ambitions at an early age of reaching a position of importance, embraced the Japanese rulers, and worked hard to achieve fluency in the Japanese language. In 1918, Laurel, while studying to be a lawyer in Manila was killed in a fight with another student. This fight took place over a woman who they were both courting.

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The analogue in TTL to Demchugdongrub, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He did not serve as the ruler of Japanese-controlled Mengjiang. Instead, he served in a series of administrative positions in the government of the Japanese-controlled Bogd Khanate of Mongolia. He was arrested in 1945 on charges of engaging in espionage in service to the Russian Empire, and was executed after a brief trial.
 
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What's the statuses of the following Axis collaborators of OTL?
Belgium
--Staf Declerq
--Léon Degrelle
--Hendrik Elias
--Ward Hermans
--Joris Van Severen
Burma
--Ba Maw
Croatia
--Mile Budak
--Jure Francetić
--Slavko Kvartenik
--Nikola Mandić
--Ante Pavelić
Czechoslovakia
--Emil Hácha
--Jozef Tiso
Denmark
--Frits Clausen
Hungary
--Ferenc Szálasi
India
--Subhas Chandra Bose (Does he lead a successful rebellion, secure independence, and perhaps be a prominent politician in the new Bharat?)
Iraq
--Rashid Ali Al-Gaylani
Israel-Palestine
--Amin Al-Husseini
Latvia
--Viktors Arājs
Lithuania
--Kazys Škirpa
Netherlands
--Anton Mussert
Norway
--Vidkun Quisling (Collaboration with the invading British?)
Mengjiang
--Demchugdongrub
Philippines
--José P. Laurel
Russia
--Sergei Bunyachenko
--Bronislav Kaminski
--Konstantin Rodzaevsky (Secretary General of the Russian Fascist Party and Japanese collaborator IOTL. With the Whites wining the Civil War, does he rise to prominence?)
--Andrey Vlasov
--Anastasy Vonsyatsky (IOTL he was arrested and went to prison in the US for engaging in contacts with the Nazis. Does he become prominent post-Civil War.)
Serbia
--Pavle Đurišić*
--Dobroslav Jevđević*
--Draža Mihailović*
--Milan Nedić
--Kosta Milovanović*
Slovenia
--Leon Rupnik
Thailand
--Plaek Phibunsongkhram ("Marshal P")
Ukraine
--Stepan Bandera*
--Mykhaylo Omelianovych-Pavlenko
--Roman Shukhevych*
--Yaroslav Stetsko
Vietnam
--Bảo Đại (Last Emperor of Vietnam)

*selective role
I recommend you split answering these on a country-by-country basis.
Edit: a couple more added.

The analogue in TTL to Rashid Ali al-Gaylani, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He worked as a lawyer in Baghdad. He was killed in a massive riot that broke out in the city in 1933, after a popular program to distribute free bread to the general population was ended because of the Business Collapse.

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The analogue in TTL to Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Ottoman Army in the First Great War. He died from frostbite in 1915 during an Ottoman offensive into the Caucasus against the Russians.

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The analogue in TTL to Plaek Phibunsongkhram, of the same name, was born on a slightly different date in comparison to our world. He served in the Royal Thai Army, though he never reached the rank of Field Marshal. He retired from the Thai military in 1960, and died in 1967, just before the outbreak of the Fourth Pacific War.
 
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What became of:

Bill Nicholson
Matthias Sindler
John Betjeman
Richmal Crompton
James F. Byrnes
Randolph Churchill
"Mad Jack" Churchill
Buster Keaton
 
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