In 2021, the Bolsheviks, outside of the far-left, are regarded quite negatively in Russia, including among most historians. The Bolsheviks are blamed for hijacking the First Russian Revolution, and ultimately ensuring the victory of the Romanov Dynasty by alienating the general population and through military blunders during the First Russian Civil War. Of course, no one in TTL can know what would have occurred in the event of a Bolshevik triumph.
TL-191: After the End
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In 2021, the Bolsheviks, outside of the far-left, are regarded quite negatively in Russia, including among most historians. The Bolsheviks are blamed for hijacking the First Russian Revolution, and ultimately ensuring the victory of the Romanov Dynasty by alienating the general population and through military blunders during the First Russian Civil War. Of course, no one in TTL can know what would have occurred in the event of a Bolshevik triumph.
What is the legacy of Tsar Nicholas II and Michael II in TTL in the USA and Russia by 2021 as well as their lives after the FGW?
I'd imagine that Nicholas II will be viewed negatively in the West compared to OTL since the Bolsheviks lost the Russian Civil War and the Tsar and his family weren't canonized as martyrs.
Also who was the last Tsar of Russia in TTL, what is the state of the House of Romanov by 2021, and are the Romanov's allowed back into Russia by 2021?
I'd imagine that Nicholas II will be viewed negatively in the West compared to OTL since the Bolsheviks lost the Russian Civil War and the Tsar and his family weren't canonized as martyrs.
Also who was the last Tsar of Russia in TTL, what is the state of the House of Romanov by 2021, and are the Romanov's allowed back into Russia by 2021?
In the US, in 2021, the House of Romanov generally has a negative reputation for its alliance with the Entente. However, at the same time, Tsarist Russia was never viewed by either the US government and general public as anything approaching an existential threat, like the Confederacy was. In the US, Nicholas II is largely forgotten in 2021, outside of academic circles.
The last reigning Tsar in TTL was Alexander IV, who left at the end of the Second Russian Civil War, along with his family and a large percentage of the Russian aristocracy, for exile in Switzerland. In 2021, the House of Romanov is still centered in Switzerland, as well to do exiles. They are not considered welcome in the Russian Republic, and no one in the Romanov family has any real wish to return.
Ok, this confirms that it's not Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich on the throne. Who's son is Alexander IV by the way? As mentioned, OTL's Michael II had a son by the name of George but couldn't succeed the throne due to his parents' morganatic marriage. He ought to be from another branch of the Romanov family. Is Alexander IV an OTL member of the family or an ATL descendant?
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Also what was the life of Anastasia Romanov in TTL, as well as the rest of Tsar Nicholas II's children?
Since she was never murdered along with her family, as well not being canonized as martyrs and not having famous rumors of her survival.
That is, if she survives the superbombing of Petrograd and the Second Russian Revolution.
Since she was never murdered along with her family, as well not being canonized as martyrs and not having famous rumors of her survival.
That is, if she survives the superbombing of Petrograd and the Second Russian Revolution.
Thinking about it, it's possible that Alexander IV could be, considering that the Romanovs survive, Nicholas II's grandson by one of his eldest daughters considering Tsarevich Alexei never succeeds his father quite possibly due to an early death as a result from his hemophilia. Do I have the right guess on this?
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In 2021, life for the vast majority of young adults in the US, following high school, revolves around mandatory national service, either in the military or in a civilian capacity. While there is something of a youth-driven counterculture in the US in 2021, descended from the various Staccato subcultures and movements of the 1990s and 2000s, the counterculture comes to an end for the vast majority of its participants when the time comes for national service. After the conclusion of national service, the expectation is to go to college or finish some kind of technical education.
Overall, the US youth culture in 2021 is far more austere, conformist, and militarized in comparison to our world.
With the exception of Alexei, who died in TTL in his twenties from an injury made fatal by his hemophilia, the children of Nicholas II lived to see the collapse of the Romanov Dynasty. They would follow their cousin, Alexander IV, into Swiss exile. Anastasia died in Zurich in 1972.
Tsar Alexander IV is an ATL descendant of Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich, who, in TTL, succeeded Nicholas II after his abdication.
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Ah, so son I believe. (Word missing in text) By the looks of it, he ends up divorcing his OTL wife Maria Brasova and marries someone of high nobility.
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What is the approximate political party composition of Congress in this timeline?
In 2021, the Republicans and Socialists have an uneasy working majority in both houses of Congress, under the Novak-Wakefield Socialist/Republican “fusion” administration. But it’s a doomed Congressional working relationship. There are many Republican and Socialist politicians who dislike the Novak-Wakefield “post-partisan” government, especially the increasingly angry circle around Representative Charles Holst (S-NY). Holst and his allies loath the Novak administration and the Socialist-Republican working majority in Congress to such an extent that they’re even willing to cooperate with the Democrats in undermining and opposing Novak’s signature legislative initiatives.
In 2021, the Socialists narrowly control the House of Representatives. However, President Novak has not attempted to cultivate the same political ties with the Socialist Speaker of the House as he has attempted to do so with the Republican and Democratic Congressional leaders.
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How many carriers does the US Navy possess as of 2021? Is the US Navy the most strongest navy in the planet?
This might be a bit meta, but, what is alternate history like in this timeline? What are some of the more popular WIs? Is the Second Great War as popular as WW2 IOTL?
Speaking of which, what conflicts get the lion share of focus in American academic media? IOTL, the Revolution, Civil War, and WW2 get alot of the focus, but what wars get most of the focus in US media ITTL?
Speaking of which, what conflicts get the lion share of focus in American academic media? IOTL, the Revolution, Civil War, and WW2 get alot of the focus, but what wars get most of the focus in US media ITTL?
I would say that Great War One and Two are most focused wars on popular culture in USA and Europe.
In 2021, the US has the single strongest navy in the world, as well as the largest. However, the US does not enjoy a hegemonic position in terms of naval strength: the US has friendly naval rivals (the Empire of Brazil, the German Empire, and increasingly China and Russia) as well as an unfriendly naval rival (Bharat).
In 2021, the US has 14 carrier battle groups, which are equivalent to the OTL carrier strike groups of the US Navy.
So has the idea of MAD ever developed in this world or it never came up since there was no real cold war and most countries are closely tied through trade or alliances?
In TTL, the alternate history genre is referred to as spec fiction. Spec fiction emerged in the 1970s in TTL, and was heavily influenced by American Nihilism. Doctor Lexington, by Greg Bliss, aside from being the first commercially successful spec fic, was also a very bleak dystopia (the plot and setting of Doctor Lexington is arguably similar to what would happen if you combined the setting of The Man in the High Castle with the plotline and style of Watchmen).
Greg Bliss wrote a number of other notable spec fics in TTL, with notable works including The Grey House (think the setting of TL-191 merged with the respective plots of Doctor Strangelove and The Ruling Class) and President Lincoln (written as a brutal mockery of Anglo-French utopian Happy Wave fiction).
British and French Happy Wave spec fiction emerged in the 1980s in TTL, and as the name indicates, includes works with utopian plots and settings, and arguably crossing over into wish fulfillment. The most famous novel from the Happy Wave is President McClellan, which includes aspects that resemble OTL steampunk fiction.
Of course, by 2021 in TTL, the spec fiction genre has numerous writers, filmmakers, and game designers to its name.
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In 2021, the Second Great War and the Fourth Pacific War tend to get the most focus in the US media and popular culture, although the American Revolution is also well represented in US culture.
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It never really developed in TTL, since for all of the rivalries between the various great powers, there never was a real equivalent to the OTL Cold War, although the long period of hostile diplomatic relations between Bharat and China in TTL’s early 21st Century had elements of a Cold War-type of struggle.