Titanic survives

I wouldn't recommend it:

http://spluch.blogspot.com/2006/11/magnificent-iceberg-photograph.html

(I'd have attached the pic, but it is someone elses...) Given the nature of floating, such an irregualr object can be quite finely balanced, and that balance changes as it melts.

Also the ship itself would change things. I think the odds would be good that the berg would roll, or inconveniently dump kilotom of ice on the ship...

Hmm....if they tried it, it may well turn into a "Titanic is lost with all hands, without a trace" scenario...
 
I wouldn't recommend it:

http://spluch.blogspot.com/2006/11/magnificent-iceberg-photograph.html

(I'd have attached the pic, but it is someone elses...) Given the nature of floating, such an irregualr object can be quite finely balanced, and that balance changes as it melts.

Also the ship itself would change things. I think the odds would be good that the berg would roll, or inconveniently dump kilotom of ice on the ship...

Hmm....if they tried it, it may well turn into a "Titanic is lost with all hands, without a trace" scenario...

Assuming that

a) they stay moored to the iceberg for that long
b) the iceberg is in a location where it would melt rather quickly.

Help (the RMS Carpathia) arrived at the Titanic within hours of it striking the iceberg. Surely that short a time would be safe? :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic
 
Achally if the Titanic had salammed head on into the 'Burg she proberly would have sunk quicker becaurse she would of had alot of her rivets pop out and damage as far aft as her Engene room.

I'd imagine her boilers' would've shunted forward with the impact, causing rather a lot of damage - perhaps fatal damage to the hull.


No Titanic sinking?

- Later introduction of maritime safety measures - ice patrol and lifeboats and the like - since a lot of 'important' people didn't snuff it theatrically.

- Maybe less of an incentive for shipboard wireless; it did well for Marconi, IIRC.

- Possibly wide-ranging considerations to do with influential types surviving; would one have stood for president, etc.?
 
Somthing that no one has noticed yet.....
And the fact that if the Titanic had survived, lifeboat compliments would have remined under sufficient, and a titanic-like disaster would have happened eventualy, but since ships got bigger,a worse loss of life, like, say, and Imperator or, even worse, a Queen Mary sinking with insuficient lifeboats,and a loss of life in the thousands:eek::eek::eek:
Not a pleaseant secnario.
 
Achally if the Titanic had salammed head on into the 'Burg she proberly would have sunk quicker becaurse she would of had alot of her rivets pop out and damage as far aft as her Engene room.

Leaving the watch crew and Captain Smith the rather unenviable task of explaining why they rammed several millions of tons of ice.

Better than dieing but thats not what everyone not on the ship and most importantly the White Star Line and their insurers will think.
 
Well, Britannic was HMHS - a Hospital Ship, and didn't serve as a troopship IIRC. But you are right that Titanic would probably serve as a troopship as her sister Olympic did.


Sargon


I cant remember, did Britannic have bulkheads right up to the weather deck by the time of her sinking?
 
Somthing that no one has noticed yet.....
And the fact that if the Titanic had survived, lifeboat compliments would have remined under sufficient, and a titanic-like disaster would have happened eventualy, but since ships got bigger,a worse loss of life, like, say, and Imperator or, even worse, a Queen Mary sinking with insuficient lifeboats,and a loss of life in the thousands:eek::eek::eek:
Not a pleaseant secnario.

Hey - look at the post above yours, Delwood. It clearly says lifeboats and shock value of Titanic sinking prompting change.

I was just too lazy to frame a proper sentence around them.

I don't know why I bother...:p

:D
 
Since icebergs are floating and thus moving, perhaps in TTL that iceberg just wasn't at that place at that time. Perhaps Titanic was not trying so hard to set a new speed record, instead traveling more cautiously as she should have in the North Atlantic in April.

Bottom line: In TTL Titanic does not strike an iceberg in April 1912. Her maiden voyage is smooth and uneventful. She sees service as a troop ship in WWI. 1920 Titanic returns to luxury trans-Atlantic service. Because of how luxuriously she is appointed she remains highly popular through the 1930's. Survives WWII again as a troop ship. Restored after WWII, Titanic spends several years as a cruise ship in The Medteranian then in The Caribbean. Finally restored again, Titanic becomes a huge floating hotel and a museum of the luxury ocean travel in the age in which she was built.
 
Assuming that

a) they stay moored to the iceberg for that long
b) the iceberg is in a location where it would melt rather quickly.

Help (the RMS Carpathia) arrived at the Titanic within hours of it striking the iceberg. Surely that short a time would be safe? :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic

The melting does not start at the time Titanic hits the iceberg. Its been going on for some time. The picture is a very regulary-shaped iceberg. Most Icebergs will be shaped like a half-melted iceblock in water. I.e. with long extrusions, etc. It can easily be very unstable to start with, and the very act of mooring the ship to it can upset it.

(This has become a bit of an asides discussion to the "Titanic survives" option. It is possible for the ship to survive mooring to the iceberg, but I think it would reduce the odds. Assuming an average berg)
 
Bottom line: In TTL Titanic does not strike an iceberg in April 1912. Her maiden voyage is smooth and uneventful. She sees service as a troop ship in WWI. 1920 Titanic returns to luxury trans-Atlantic service. Because of how luxuriously she is appointed she remains highly popular through the 1930's. Survives WWII again as a troop ship. Restored after WWII, Titanic spends several years as a cruise ship in The Medteranian then in The Caribbean. Finally restored again, Titanic becomes a huge floating hotel and a museum of the luxury ocean travel in the age in which she was built.

Not entirely likely, probably won't last much past WWII. RMS Aquitania was one of the very few luxury liners from pre-Great War to serve in both. Her opulance was certainly overshadowed by successors. RMS Olympic's hull was showing cracks by the late 1920s that would have been very expensive to repair. One also has to tie in the merger between Cunard and White Star. Titanic would be scrapped before WWII.
 
Not entirely likely, probably won't last much past WWII. RMS Aquitania was one of the very few luxury liners from pre-Great War to serve in both. Her opulance was certainly overshadowed by successors. RMS Olympic's hull was showing cracks by the late 1920s that would have been very expensive to repair. One also has to tie in the merger between Cunard and White Star. Titanic would be scrapped before WWII.

Along with that it might also be worth considering the fact after WW1, the immigrant trade which is what they were built at the end of the day for was severly restricted.

Did i mention that in my previous posts?, if so sorry for repeating.
 
Well, Britannic was HMHS - a Hospital Ship, and didn't serve as a troopship IIRC. But you are right that Titanic would probably serve as a troopship as her sister Olympic did.


Sargon

Maybe, but remember that at the start of WWI, only two of the three Cunard liners in service became a troopship or hospital ship: the Mauretania and Aquitania. The Lusitania remained in passenger service. Had Titanic survived, maybe only two of the three White Star liners in service (Olympic, Titanic, Gigantic) would have entered military service. Question is, which ones? :rolleyes:
 
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Maybe, but remember that at the start of WWI, Cunard had three liners, the Lusitania, Mauretania, and Aquitania. Only the latter two served as a troopship or hospital ship. Had Titanic survived, maybe only two of the three White Star liners in service (Olympic, Titanic, Gigantic) would have entered military service. Question is, which ones? :rolleyes:

Lusitania didn't enter service as a troopship or hospital ship since she was sunk. Just looking at things historically the Titanic's near collision (since we are thinking about her surviving) would still have RMS Gigantic being modified for increased safety at sea by 1914. There are two possibilities, aside from being sunk by a u-boat, first that she is taken in hand and converted for troop or hospital ship service. The second, and fairly unlikely, is that she is taken in hand by late 1917/18 and converted into an aircraft carrier.
 

NomadicSky

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the best outcome would have been that we wouldn`t have had to listen to celeen dion sing that god awful song, what else could be better than that ?

Celine Dion might butterfly away. Some 3,000 peoples lives would be radically different had they arrived safely in NYC, maybe one of them that would have died moves to Canada and marries her grandmother keeping her father from existing.
 
Achally if the Titanic had salammed head on into the 'Burg she proberly would have sunk quicker becaurse she would of had alot of her rivets pop out and damage as far aft as her Engene room.

This is untrue. There are many cases of ships striking iceburgs head on with minimal damage. IN FACT this would probably have prevented the disaster. The main reason the Titanic sank was because the underwater shelf of the iceburg scraped along the ship , penetrating numerous waterhead bulkheads , and allowing the ship to settle in such a way that the bulkheads were gradually overtopped. A head-on collision would have damaged only one bulkhead (perhaps two, but still well within the design spec) , and the momentum of the ship , whilst significant , would not have caused significant damage. remember , the ships boilers and engines weighed several tons each , and were designed to remain stable even in the rougthest seas. When ballard went down there , he found them still attached , even though the ship had hit the bottom at 90mph.
 
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