'Tis Time To Part Planning/Speculation Thread

EDIT: Here is a link to said TL

Seeing as my neck of the woods is getting pwned by the snow, I've had some time to work on my TL which has sadly taken a back seat since the semester has started. I decided to start a seperate thread from the TL itself for me to post my questions to you guys about ideals I've had for the development and events of the story as well as a place where you can do the same thing once we get farther away from the POD.

I should have an update before I go to bed tonight on the Battle of Fort Necessity, but a few things farther down the road that I've been pondering for the TL (with maybe a question or two thrown in just to throw off anyone from completely knowing what will happen):

  • What would have to happen to have more Acadians settle in Louisiana instead of the other colonies or returning to France following the Great Upheaval?
  • How far would Acadian exiles move up the Mississippi River from New Orleans, if there is a large enough number that simple settling in Acadiana proved to be too crowded?
  • What would happen had James Wolfe not died on the Plains of Abraham? Where might he be sent next, or what would he do?
Thanks to anyone who leave a reply, and hopefully things will ease up a bit at school to resume a semblance of schedule in updates of the TL.
 
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What would have to happen to have more Acadians settle in Louisiana instead of the other colonies or returning to France following the Great Upheaval?

- history of greater trade between the maritimes and caribean. this was frowned on to a certain extent as the colonies should only trade with the mother country so the knowledge of trade, land and personal relationships weren't there.
- a focued move to ship everyone to only louisiana instead of all over.
- shipping them out on ships of better quality than the lumber boats (aka coffin ships) would help as well as more would have survived the journey or have been in better health to adjust to the climate.

How far would Acadian exiles move up the Mississippi River from New Orleans, if there is a large enough number that simple settling in Acadiana proved to be too crowded?

- Given the fur trading routes along the ohio and mississippi river it could be as far north as Ontario. But for that to happen you would need the network of communities to help feed those settlers at least initially and would be more of a generational flow than a simple "got kicked to the south and paddled upriver" conversation.
- Also giving the Acadians time to remove more resources and maybe even sell some farms in advance would allow for more capital.

What would happen had James Wolfe not died on the Plains of Abraham? Where might he be sent next, or what would he do?


- having dealt with insurection in Scotland I could see any potential trouble makers dealth with much sooner. But I can also see how public response to terror tactics such as his manifesto would make dealing with the concerns of the local populace a much higher mandate given his small number of troops.
- being a french speaking officer in charge I can see quebecois and the clergy there dealing more comfortably with one who had been to Paris and understood the differences in culture more. Less "damn colonials" attitude I guess.
- With his level of energy having the british forces in north america much better trained leading to better success in the french-indian wars. Also the exposure to quite a few differnt fields of battle means that I can see him being more adaptable to north american terrain.
- warriors recieve alot of respect in native cultures. A bilingual, winning warrior who defeats the french and then deals honorably with them might mean a much stronger native irregular force in future...
- As the winning general he may have had more influence in England upon recall (looks like a new post every 6 years or so) leading to north american affairs getting an earlier spokesperson.

will think about this more later,
foresterab
 
- a focued move to ship everyone to only louisiana instead of all over.
- shipping them out on ships of better quality than the lumber boats (aka coffin ships) would help as well as more would have survived the journey or have been in better health to adjust to the climate.

The last one may be a bit of an issue, as I'm not to sure if the British would use higher quality ships for such a purpose. After all, the more important naval issue would be maintaining naval forces for battle instead of transporting people out.

The other point made me wonder something else: IOTL, a number of Acadians were taken to ports in the other colonies, from ones near by (modern day Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia) to ones far south (Georgia and North Carolina) and points in between (New York, Pennsyvlania, etc). Would it be feasable to have military fears hightened to such an extent that those moved only to Nova Scotia and Maine/New Brunswick could be moved farther south? Also, could resistance from the colonies themselves prompt movement by the Acadians to continue onward themselves to New Orleans?

- Given the fur trading routes along the ohio and mississippi river it could be as far north as Ontario. But for that to happen you would need the network of communities to help feed those settlers at least initially and would be more of a generational flow than a simple "got kicked to the south and paddled upriver" conversation.
- Also giving the Acadians time to remove more resources and maybe even sell some farms in advance would allow for more capital.

Capital movement may be a bit of an issue; after all, it was an expulsion. Would a possible northern limit for initial settlement from the extra displaced Acadians be along the Mississippi and up the Red River? My knowledge of Acadian farm methods is non-existant, but I know of the strip landholdings in Quebec, and I picture a similar action taking place here. Does anyone have any other ideals?
 
Capital movement may be a bit of an issue; after all, it was an expulsion. Would a possible northern limit for initial settlement from the extra displaced Acadians be along the Mississippi and up the Red River? My knowledge of Acadian farm methods is non-existant, but I know of the strip landholdings in Quebec, and I picture a similar action taking place here. Does anyone have any other ideals?
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IIRC as I haven't been to New Brunswick in a few years the original lots were also of the signrual (sp?) design of half a rod wide by a half mile long thereabout centered around the rivers. The problem is that while much of the population was tied to the farms there was an active fur trading industry that had family and cultural ties to quebec and knew about the routes along the upper waters of the mississippi. To settle whole families and communities on the upper waters is ASB'ish but it may be possible to settle them in smaller groups spread out along the river a reasonable distance apart (i.e. 6 miles or one township out west). The only problem is you can kick people to the shore but short of chaining them there they are going to recongregate where farming is best/easiest. The other problem as I understand it is that the Creek/Cherokee tribes still controlled much of the land in the area which kept european expansion somewhat limited until Andrew Jackson got involved (I'm not very good on eastern/southern native tribes so if I'm wrong it's my mistake).
 
IIRC as I haven't been to New Brunswick in a few years the original lots were also of the signrual (sp?) design of half a rod wide by a half mile long thereabout centered around the rivers. The problem is that while much of the population was tied to the farms there was an active fur trading industry that had family and cultural ties to quebec and knew about the routes along the upper waters of the mississippi. To settle whole families and communities on the upper waters is ASB'ish but it may be possible to settle them in smaller groups spread out along the river a reasonable distance apart (i.e. 6 miles or one township out west). The only problem is you can kick people to the shore but short of chaining them there they are going to recongregate where farming is best/easiest. The other problem as I understand it is that the Creek/Cherokee tribes still controlled much of the land in the area which kept european expansion somewhat limited until Andrew Jackson got involved (I'm not very good on eastern/southern native tribes so if I'm wrong it's my mistake).

That is true, the settlement part is an issue. I do plan on having Joseph Broussard, otherwise known as Beausoleil, play an earlier part in Acadian settlement in Louisiana following an early caputre in Acadia. I guess the question becomes how best to keep permement settlement - perhaps, in fear or just a general knowledge of the climate differences the some Acadians may be more inclinde to move up river to where the climate is not as humid...of course, this would more than likely take them outside of good protection from New Orleans, but there were French forts up and down the river and other settlements. Perhapse more development near Natchitoches, which was founded in 1714 and is the oldest permanent settlement in what was the Louisiana Purchase?

Does anyone else have any ideals, or perhapse something I've missed? :eek:
 
I have another question to put forth to the AH.com board, this one a little more broad in the hope of getting more feedback.
  • What are some good alternate sites (cities, wilderness areas, anything really) for alternate battles during the American Revolution? Only stipulation is that there will be initial conflict around Boston and New York will be involved early on. Other than that, it's all open to change!
  • What are possible alternate names for the Sons of Liberty?
Thanks for any feedback!
 
Since I cannot edit my last message, I guess I'll add a few more in a new message. Thanks to those that have replied, either in this thread or by personal message. All your imput has been helpful! Anyway, on to the questions:
  1. Besides a bald eagle, what are other animals which could be used as a National Animal for nations that arise from the colonies?
  2. Provided that Cornwallis was able to be evacuated from Yorktown, where would he go, and what would the British plan become?
  3. How would naval warfare change if the Turtle had been successful?
 
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