Timelines of Space Ages
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Absolutely. There were long periods IOTL where progress had the slows, globally. And, we haven't been using the sea so well IOTL. Both those are fixed in my dolphin TL. It already has its own Thande Institute, even, among the first of TLs to do so, though named the Time Dolphin Institute, in Taino, of course 
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My Continuous Democracy also fixes the OTL progress gap, so it'd also have space elevators and insystem colonies. But, the Space Bats seem to hate it, so it's not progressing.
. My Continuous Democracy also fixes the OTL progress gap, so it'd also have space elevators and insystem colonies. But, the Space Bats seem to hate it, so it's not progressing.
I fail to see how dolphins and continuous democracy are supposed to support scientific progress going to above OTL levels.
I don't want to say OTL is the best of all possible worlds here, but I don't see - barring a POD so far back that things would be utterly unrecognizable - space colonies any time soon.
Scientific advancement takes means and motive - there's not a great deal of reason to develop more effective agriculture when the existing system is already working well, only when it becomes inefficient or simply insufficient, for instance.
I don't want to say OTL is the best of all possible worlds here, but I don't see - barring a POD so far back that things would be utterly unrecognizable - space colonies any time soon.
Scientific advancement takes means and motive - there's not a great deal of reason to develop more effective agriculture when the existing system is already working well, only when it becomes inefficient or simply insufficient, for instance.
Elfwine, we've gone over the slows enough times. I'm so tired of this, in fact, that I'm putting you on my ignore list. The points you raise in response to my timelines and elsewhere just aren't constructive.
Just because you love Saudi Arabia's form of government, absolute monarchy, doesn't make you right.
Have a good life.
I'm sorry, Finn, to bring this on your innocent thread. There's a history here.
Just because you love Saudi Arabia's form of government, absolute monarchy, doesn't make you right.
Have a good life.
I'm sorry, Finn, to bring this on your innocent thread. There's a history here.
So to continue this for those who are interested in discussion instead of "Dolphins! C'mon, dolphins!", how about speeding up the Agricultural Revolution and the following Industrial Revolution?
Not sure how you get the higher population to merit the former, however. More effective anti-plague measures (since even after the great die off of the Black Plague, plague continued to be a problem for centuries), but what would those be?
Not sure how you get the higher population to merit the former, however. More effective anti-plague measures (since even after the great die off of the Black Plague, plague continued to be a problem for centuries), but what would those be?
More meijis, an earlier modernization of China or India would really help to build things up. More wars would also help things, although it'd be a slightly more dystopian timeline.
I do not hold to the idea that our timeline is the most technologically advanced. Many state policies and other things have held back economic and industrial development, changing them for the better could help things. The important thing is to create a timeline that doesn't seem too optimistic, like super leaps too early, ie steam engines in 1500, space by 1600. Id say start small and have skips and stops. I'd say its okay to go fifty years future tech by 2000 with a POD in 1780, but any more and it'd seem silly. If you start earlier, say 1600, you could go to possibly 100 years future tech by 2000.
I do not hold to the idea that our timeline is the most technologically advanced. Many state policies and other things have held back economic and industrial development, changing them for the better could help things. The important thing is to create a timeline that doesn't seem too optimistic, like super leaps too early, ie steam engines in 1500, space by 1600. Id say start small and have skips and stops. I'd say its okay to go fifty years future tech by 2000 with a POD in 1780, but any more and it'd seem silly. If you start earlier, say 1600, you could go to possibly 100 years future tech by 2000.
How much have those policies and other things held back global tech progress though? What held back progress in China didn't influence Europe for the worse at all, for instance.
jkay has a TL about domesticated dolphins called "Americas' World".What's all this business about dolphins?
Its more about competition. If more people are economically competitive and are equal trading partners, leads to more innovation and tech progress.
In fairness to him (more than he's granting me), I am a monarchist and my ideal form of government is an enlightened absolute monarchy - but the idea that Saudi Arabia counts would insulting if it wasn't so . . . disappointing.
Sufficient to say, it is . . .
well, it doesn't technically take ASBs, it just uses dolphins.
Nicksplace27 said:
True. But Europe seems to have had plenty of that OTL.
No area had the luxury of being able to maintain anti-tech policies in a way that would impede the whole of the (sub)continent.
And trade with the Far East had relatively little influence on European development.
Not none, but buying luxuries abroad didn't - on its own - drive the European economy.
Since our brains haven't changed much since before the first modern Homo sapiens sapiens left Africa, couldn't agricultrue have been invented much earlier? Why not, let's say, 30.000 years ago, instead of 10.000 years ago? Or is climate/Ice age and obstacle?
That's gonna be tough, unless you do it with Neanderthals. Also, since it was only 15 ka long, they'd have to start mass-producing CO2 pretty quickly in order to counteract the declining insolation.
Barring that, what about an industrial revolution in Southern Song China?