Oh I know, Im not making this that much of a Nazi's not as bad scenario, I just had the Holocaust not happen, due to the fact that in OTL, those resources being wasted on it, could've really helped the Nazi's win the war. so doing that ITTL helps increase the plausibility of a Nazi victory
I have done a bit of research into Hitler's ultimate goals, and plans for after the war. I am trying.
Firstly, Lindbergh is not coming to power in 1940 without changing Roosevelt's policies back to 1932, and secondly, the Soviets don't need US support to stop the Germans, they just need it to capitalise on having stopped them.You know, there's lots of people on this board who think that a Nazi victory is impossible, but thats not really the case. Have Charles Lindbergh come to power in USA. He was very isolationist (and some say slightly pro-Nazi). He wouldn't oppose the German attack on the Soviets, and would likely ignore WWII as much as possible. No lend-lease or US army makes Hitler's job easier.
If you think Hitler can beat the UK in the BoB you haven't read up enough on the thing, Britain may have been exhausted by the end of it, but so was Germany, some of the squadrons were down to barely 50% of their on-paper strength, and the pilots hadn't had a rest in months.Have Hitler win the Battle of Britain, but instead of invading, use bombers to smash the UK.
Yep this is the problem with WW2... too many inevitables. Germany was spending a little over 25% of its GDP in 1939 and ins economey was in melt down warning modeYou'd have to check up with the real ATL veterans on that, but I think the German economy was going to collapse if they didn't move almost as soon as they did.
Here's what ive come up with so far. (in terms of how the Nazi's win)
FDR dies in 1934, Garner becomes President, and does worse then Hoover
WW2 starts over Czechoslovakia, not Poland. however France and the UK aren't as ready as OTL.
France falls in 1939, Poland carved up around sametime as OTL. Limbaugh is elected in 1940, creates a Fascist America, that stays neutral, no Pearl Harbor, Japan goes wild in the Pacific.
the USSR is invaded in 1941, and later in the year, Stalin is overthrown in a coup after the Germans capture Moscow, and Beria ascends as Premier, and makes a humiliating peace (Second Treaty of Brest-Lostivk) with the Germans in which the Germans get what they want in exchange for Russia remaining independent (With a border not at the Ural Mountains, but at the city of Moscow and the that line) (However the USSR essencially becomes a German puppet and a de facto-fascist de jure communist state.)
Britain and her colonies remain left, and Australia is conquered in by the Japanesse, the Nazi's, with no Eastern Front, can supply more troops to help the Italians in Africa. Britain loses the oil rich middle east. and Egypt and the Suez Canal. everything comes to a climax in 1944, when Britain plans the invasion of France, a last ditch effort to win the war.
However the Head Admiral of the Royal Navy, Joeseph Armstrong Scott, falls off the HMS Glascow. and washes up on the Normandy beach, Dead. with a coded message about the invasion in his trenchcoat. so because of that, the Germans are prepared for the invasion, and turn it away, forcing Britain and her allies to sue for peace (but not before the Germans invaded Scotland, and carved another puppet out of it)
What do you guys think?
ASB even though it sounds interesting. As d32123 said.What do you guys think?
ASB (especially Fascist America) but not too bad. Would be interesting to see a TL based on it.
ASB even though it sounds interesting. As d32123 said.
But better option is to do what Snowstalker did in the TL I linked. Have Nazi troops move into Danzig before the war with Poland. Instead of Germany invading Poland, Poland invades Germany, expecting Britain and France to help, but Britain and France condemn it because their previous course of action was to appease Germany precisely to prevent a war between Germany and the rest of Europe.
It's still implausible but not ASB like a fascist America.
IMO, you should do the idea you posted, but in the ASB forum (if it's in the ASB forum, you can also explain away stuff that the Nazis would never do, and also add weird technologies). Then, do a slightly more detailed and realistic version of Snowstalker's timeline in Post-1900.Thanks, I plan on doing it.
Wait, what? it's good?????? im surprised (through I already knew it was ASB, I could just have America stay neutral, maybe have Wilke win in 1940 due too FDR popularity maybe collapsing by trying to win a thrid term?)
Yeah, I didn't nessacarily intend for it to be the most realilistic scenario, I suppose if the scenario is interesting enough, It will appease readers.
And that's a interesting idea actually. Poland invading Germany.
IMO, you should do the idea you posted, but in the ASB forum (if it's in the ASB forum, you can also explain away stuff that the Nazis would never do, and also add weird technologies). Then, do a slightly more detailed and realistic version of Snowstalker's timeline in Post-1900.
But of course, keep the evil factor that the Nazis had.
A possible POD could be Stalin being overthrown in the fall of 1941 as Germany forces approach Moscow. The ensuing chaos devastates the Russian defenses and the Germans take Moscow.
The new leader of the USSR (Beria?) asks for a cease fire and a peace treaty with Germany. Germany gains control of the Ukraine, the Baltic States, and possible Belorussia. Finland gains control over the entire Kola Peninsula and the Karelia regions they lost to the USSR in the Winter War.
However, I have doubts as to whether Germany would accept such a proposal as the defeat of the Bolsheviks was such an important thing to the Nazis. While such a peace treaty would be humiliating, the USSR would still survive and could eventually strike back and retake the lost land at a later date.