Timeline: Axis Victory

Robert

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1919 - President Woodrow Wilson dies of a stroke. Vice President Thomas Marshall shown in.

1920 - President Marshall alienates Europe in demanding payment of war debts in an attempt to secure Democratic Nomination for President. Marshall defeats Warren G. Harding in Election in November, and wins full term. Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Franklin Roosevelt ends political career.

1921 - Washington Naval Treaty talked cancelled. U.S. becomes isolationist.

1923 - Hitler comes to power in Germany due to resentment over war and lack of interest of nearly bankrupt European occupation powers to preserve Weimar Republic.

1924 - Night of the Long Knives purges elements of the Nazi Party not loyal to Hitler. European Powers mistakingly take this as to mean Nazis will be more moderate. President Marshall re-elected to second full term after defeating Calvin Coolidge.

1925 - Secret rearmament program begun with cooperation of Soviet Union. Trotsky purges Stalin with covert German help. President Marshall dies in office. Vice President John W. Davis sworn in to office.

1926 - Germany retakes Rhineland without opposition. Secret U-Boat construction in Baltic. Oswald Mosley becomes British Prime Minister.

1927 - Plan Z German Naval Building program started with completion date of 1937.

1928 - President Davis wins a second term over Herbert Hoover.

1929 - Stock Market crash begins world wide depression. Arms cutbacks throughout the world. Germany rides out worst of Depression due to military build up.

1930 - Germany invades Austria without opposition from England or Russia. France isolated.

1931 - Vidkun Quisling becomes Prime Minister of Norway with covert German assistance. Winston Churchill dies in New York after being struck by a taxi.

1932 - Charles Curtis elected over President Davis.

1933 - Germany conquers Czechoslovakia after Prime Minister Mosley intervenes.

1934 - Hitler demands return of pre-Great War German colonies. France is only opposition. War breaks out. First use of Blitzkrieg stuns world, and France falls in six weeks. French Navy captured intact. Germany takes control of French Colonial Empire.

1935 - Germany and Russia divide Poland.

1936 - President Curtis dies in office. Vice President Henry Stimson sworn in. President Stimson defeated by Theodore G. Bilbo. Charles Lindbergh Vice President.

1937 - Battleship Bismark, Aircraft Carrier Graf Zeppelin launched.

1938 - Secret anti-Japanese summit takes place between President Bilbo, Prime Minister Oswald, Trotsky, and Hitler. U.S., British Navies take heavy losses in conflict while German and Russian Armies overwhelm Japanese Army in China.

1939 - German forces moving though Russian attack without warning. Moscow falls. Soviet forces in Far East isolated and surrender. Trotsky escapes to Mexico, later assassinated by German agents.

1940 - President Bilbo re-elected. Rebuilding and modernization of U.S. Navy proceeds slowly with world believed at peace.

1941 - Hitler warns Bilbo of secret British plot. U.S. invades Canada while Hitler launches attack against England. U.S. and Royal Navies nearly annihilate each other. Mosley killed in bombing raid on London. British Empire falls. Canada occupied by U.S.-German force.

1942 - Germans reinforce Canadian Occupation Army. Quebec becomes pro-Germany independent state.

1943 - U.S. subject to pro-German propaganda. Home grown Nazi party demands representation.

1943 - Riots in the U.S. caused by pro-Nazi forces. President Bilbo orders crackdown, asks for and received German assistance from Canada.

1944 - President Bilbo re-elected without opposition. German forces take over U.S. Military bases.
 
Trotsky could never have seized power. He was disliked by everyone with any influence in the party.
 
1923 - Hitler comes to power in Germany due to resentment over war and lack of interest of nearly bankrupt European occupation powers to preserve Weimar Republic.

Wow....you know there is no way this EVER would have happened right? Hell even if he had gone with Von Kahr he would have failed.
 
1926 - Germany retakes Rhineland without opposition. Secret U-Boat construction in Baltic. Oswald Mosley becomes British Prime Minister.

1927 - Plan Z German Naval Building program started with completion date of 1937.

1934 - Hitler demands return of pre-Great War German colonies. France is only opposition. War breaks out. First use of Blitzkrieg stuns world, and France falls in six weeks. French Navy captured intact. Germany takes control of French Colonial Empire.

A good read. but Too many places where such a TL can break down.

Regardless of who is the British PM, right wing or left wing or center, once the Germans start a Z plan (or even with out a Z plan), giving Germany back her colonies, just doesn't match the national interest of Britain, to allow a past and potential enemy submarine bases all over the world (much less such bases on the channel).

I can see a British government that would be tolerant over the Rhineland, Eastern Europe, because British interests aren't threatened, better Balance of Power, a bulwark against the communists, etc....

So I can see a TL where the Germans are allowed to grab Poland without French or British DOW, the Germans get embroiled in a war with the Soviets over the Baltic States, the Germans win over the Soviets eventually because they have many years to try and can still trade world wide, have Baltic states as allies, ant communist volunteers from all over the world etc....
 
The stroke is a pretty good divergence point, and having the Washington Treaty fail or having the US demand immediate repayment can be interesting. However a lot of things in this TL just don't work.

I'm going to comment on things that either need more clarification or is just not possible.

1920 - President Marshall alienates Europe in demanding payment of war debts in an attempt to secure Democratic Nomination for President. Marshall defeats Warren G. Harding in Election in November, and wins full term. Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Franklin Roosevelt ends political career.

Okay, why does FDR end his political career? How does a Marshall win make him not want to do anything else?

1923 - Hitler comes to power in Germany due to resentment over war and lack of interest of nearly bankrupt European occupation powers to preserve Weimar Republic.

At this point the Nazi party would've been a bunch of nobodies to be honest. They realistically have no chance of getting into power by this point. It'd be more likely that the communists take over.

1924 - Night of the Long Knives purges elements of the Nazi Party not loyal to Hitler. European Powers mistakingly take this as to mean Nazis will be more moderate. President Marshall re-elected to second full term after defeating Calvin Coolidge.

I don't know about this appearing again in the same capacity.

1925 - Secret rearmament program begun with cooperation of Soviet Union. Trotsky purges Stalin with covert German help. President Marshall dies in office. Vice President John W. Davis sworn in to office.

Trotsky wouldn't last too long in charge, but this is something the Soviets wouldn't be above doing... well, if Trotsky wasn't in charge. I'm not to sure if he'd be willing to arm fascists. I'd think he'd be more likely to try and topple the government, since he's the type who believed in the Global Revolution.

1926 - Germany retakes Rhineland without opposition. Secret U-Boat construction in Baltic. Oswald Mosley becomes British Prime Minister.

If you wanted a fascist PM, Mosley isn't your man for the job at this point. He didn't become enamored with fascism; he would've more likely been in Labour still.

1928 - President Davis wins a second term over Herbert Hoover.

So what's making the Democrats win so much? By this point, I'd think the GOP would've been able to unseat the government.

1929 - Stock Market crash begins world wide depression. Arms cutbacks throughout the world. Germany rides out worst of Depression due to military build up.

No, just no. Why on earth is the Depression occurring? By this point, butterflies should've affected it, probably by shifting it forward. I'm not buying it.

1931 - Vidkun Quisling becomes Prime Minister of Norway with covert German assistance. Winston Churchill dies in New York after being struck by a taxi.

I don't think that Norway would be in such dire straits that it would do something like that. Not if you don't explain it.

1932 - Charles Curtis elected over President Davis.

Finally, a GOP win. And mind you, Curtis was actually far from incompetent. Like LBJ, he could move legislation quite effectively.

1933 - Germany conquers Czechoslovakia after Prime Minister Mosley intervenes.

I don't think that Mosley would still be PM by this point, especially if he was the incumbent during an economic downturn (which shouldn't happen really).

1934 - Hitler demands return of pre-Great War German colonies. France is only opposition. War breaks out. First use of Blitzkrieg stuns world, and France falls in six weeks. French Navy captured intact. Germany takes control of French Colonial Empire.

First off... no. The UK would definitely protest at the idea of Germany having colonies again. And no, Mosley wouldn't bend over backwards like that even if he was buddies with Hitler.

Second off... no. I don't see France getting stomped like that again. The technology by this point would be worse for both sides, so a Blitzkrieg would be even harder to pull off. Plus Germany's armies lack any experience that they've gained from fighting Poland (IE what would work and what wouldn't). To top it off, unless they do the same moves as OTL (which should probably trigger a UK declaration), they're fighting through the Maginot Line.

1936 - President Curtis dies in office. Vice President Henry Stimson sworn in. President Stimson defeated by Theodore G. Bilbo. Charles Lindbergh Vice President.

I can't see a Democrat resurgence when they'd be linked to the Depression that Shouldn't Have Happened.

1937 - Battleship Bismark, Aircraft Carrier Graf Zeppelin launched.

Both of which would cause the UK to effectively wet their pants in fear. They wouldn't want something like that happening.

1938 - Secret anti-Japanese summit takes place between President Bilbo, Prime Minister Oswald, Trotsky, and Hitler. U.S., British Navies take heavy losses in conflict while German and Russian Armies overwhelm Japanese Army in China.

I really don't see the Great Powers agreeing to do something like that so blatantly. While its true that Japan could be a threat, its also busy fighting China according to you. I especially doubt the SU would even think of letting the Germans in their borders (even though they would be favorable to attacking the Japanese). I'll again note that Mosely would likely not be in office by this point.

1939 - German forces moving though Russian attack without warning. Moscow falls. Soviet forces in Far East isolated and surrender. Trotsky escapes to Mexico, later assassinated by German agents.

Its almost like the intelligence agencies for the non-axis countries are blind, deaf, dumb, and mute.

1940 - President Bilbo re-elected. Rebuilding and modernization of U.S. Navy proceeds slowly with world believed at peace.

At least you're choosing terrible presidents now, even if the voting trends wouldn't support them.

1941 - Hitler warns Bilbo of secret British plot. U.S. invades Canada while Hitler launches attack against England. U.S. and Royal Navies nearly annihilate each other. Mosley killed in bombing raid on London. British Empire falls. Canada occupied by U.S.-German force.

Its almost like no one ever learns from their mistakes... ever.

1942 - Germans reinforce Canadian Occupation Army. Quebec becomes pro-Germany independent state.

Nahh, the US would refuse this. Something called the Monroe Doctrine sort of expect the US to refuse to allow such blatant imperialism (that's not theirs) on the continent.

1943 - U.S. subject to pro-German propaganda. Home grown Nazi party demands representation.

Shouldn't they have won seats if they were even remotely popular? Just because some bigot is president doesn't mean that democracy is dead in the US.

1943 - Riots in the U.S. caused by pro-Nazi forces. President Bilbo orders crackdown, asks for and received German assistance from Canada.

I'd ask why would the US be so badly swamped they'd need German aid, but by this point, why should I bother?

1944 - President Bilbo re-elected without opposition. German forces take over U.S. Military bases.

And that's all I have to say about that.
 
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1931 - Winston Churchill dies in New York after being struck by a taxi.

This appears to be the only plausible POD in the entire lot. Now you can remove Roosevelt as President by changing any number of points in his career, from getting caught up in an ugly navy scandal during WWI to the attempt to assassinate him in Chicago.

As for Stalin, well he's certainly capable of making almighty mistakes, wouldn't take much to add one more.
 
This appears to be the only plausible POD in the entire lot. Now you can remove Roosevelt as President by changing any number of points in his career, from getting caught up in an ugly navy scandal during WWI to the attempt to assassinate him in Chicago.

As for Stalin, well he's certainly capable of making almighty mistakes, wouldn't take much to add one more.

Well Stalin is dead apparently and Trotsky is in charge of the USSR.
 
Okay easy guys, he must be... Hey! Wait a second you're not new!

Well he only has 69 posts. He is kinda new.

Sound like Robert wants to do something with Mosley. I suggest to him he focusses on that and come up with a TL where Mosley becomes PM. That'll be interesting enough. He might try to... extend his term.
 
This appears to be the only plausible POD in the entire lot.

Well, yes. But there is quite a few people to pick up the slack. Eden or Amery would do fine in this or someone else from this group. In 1940 British were sick of being bullied around by Hitler and wanted to make a stand. This mood would have found someone lse to represent it if Churhill was not available.
 
I think you'd better actually read up alot on the era and if you want to a TL about it. And there has to be decent reason for changes from a Point of Departure (POD for short). Is Wilson's deeper, fatal stroke the POD?

Sorry - it's alot harder than you're thinking.. Not impossible, but definitely hard.

Oh, and it's a little less known today that Wilson's Veep was so uninterested in the Presidency that he refused to serve after Wilson's stroke in reality; the job went to Wilson's wife instead.
 
As others have suggested, the key to creating a good timeline, narrative, alternate history story, etc. is to read up on everything you can get your hands on (hence why I try to utilize my local library as much as possible, once I realized to do otherwise is foolhardy when attempting to create a decent alternative history). Wikipedia or the internet alone, although a good reference point, shouldn't be one's first and only stop on the road to actually understanding the real history, something which must be done first and foremost before one can write alternate history.

I do like the bit about Trotsky succeeding Lenin in the USSR. I myself am hard at work on an alternate history of the USSR (and the world) entitled Petrograd, The Red Flame of Russia wherein Trotsky rises to power (Version 3.0, following a much more thorough reading of history, the addition of many new ideas, and finally a few final touches in a process which took me many months to work out, which will be out sometime this year or the next, and will be many pages in length and, I hope, will be released soon as a finished alternate history TL ).

I don't like to self-advertise much, or gloat, but the core focus will be around Trotsky; it will examine just how he rises to power and what he does when in power from the 20's to the 50's. (as of now I am feverishly working on reading through 3 600+ biographies and a few large history books on Soviet history to write this thing-talk about door stoppers)

Anyways, I hope I helped the OP a little bit by giving a few general pointers to writing quality AH. Remember to have fun-if you're ever bored by your topic then you should probably write a different POD. :)
 
1919 - President Woodrow Wilson dies of a stroke. Vice President Thomas Marshall shown in.

1920 - President Marshall alienates Europe in demanding payment of war debts in an attempt to secure Democratic Nomination for President. Marshall defeats Warren G. Harding in Election in November, and wins full term.

Why not have Eugene Debs elected President while in prison? Harding won with the largest landslide in U.S. history up to that date. If you're going to reverse that, why stop halfway?

Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Franklin Roosevelt ends political career.

Why should being elected Vice President end his career? If you just want to get rid of him, have him fall in a well and drown.

1921 - Washington Naval Treaty talked cancelled.

Why? And this would have major consequences, which you don't address.
U.S. becomes isolationist.

As in OTL.

1923 - Hitler comes to power in Germany due to resentment over war and lack of interest of nearly bankrupt European occupation powers to preserve Weimar Republic.

The chance of the Beer Hall Putsch leading anywhere was negligible.

1924 - ...President Marshall re-elected to second full term after defeating Calvin Coolidge.

1924 was another Republican landslide. And why would Coolidge be the nominee? He would have been the losing VP candidate in 1920, and that doesn't generally lead anywhere.


1925 - Secret rearmament program begun with cooperation of Soviet Union.

As in OTL. Except that OTL, the cooperation was between the Weimar Republic and the USSR; it ended with the Nazi takeover.
Trotsky purges Stalin with covert German help.

Why would Trotsky need or tolerate German meddling?

President Marshall dies in office. Vice President John W. Davis sworn in to office.

Why would Roosevelt not be renominated? And why Davis? Assuming that the ATL candidates would be the same people as on OTL tickets is simplistic.

1926 - ...Oswald Mosley becomes British Prime Minister.

He wasn't even close to that OTL. He had no major party backing. He might have got it, but not by 1926.

1928 - President Davis wins a second term over Herbert Hoover.

Repeat - just using OTL nominees is simplistic.

1930 - Germany invades Austria without opposition from England or Russia.

The chief opposition to Germany in Austria was Italy.

1931 - Vidkun Quisling becomes Prime Minister of Norway with covert German assistance.

Quisling never had the political strength. As for German meddling: there was overt meddling, such as sponsorship of the Austrian, Sudeten, and Danzig Nazis; but there's no evidence that Nazi Germany considered or was capable of "covert" meddling.

Winston Churchill dies in New York after being struck by a taxi.

Almost happened OTL. However, there is very little chance that in an ATL, Churchill would be in New York, crossing the street, on the same day.

1932 - Charles Curtis elected over President Davis.

Curtis was never ambitious to be President. Again, you're taking the national nominees without thinking.

1933 - Germany conquers Czechoslovakia after Prime Minister Mosley intervenes.

1934 - Hitler demands return of pre-Great War German colonies. France is only opposition. War breaks out. First use of Blitzkrieg stuns world, and France falls in six weeks. French Navy captured intact. Germany takes control of French Colonial Empire.

1935 - Germany and Russia divide Poland.

1936 - ... President Stimson defeated by Theodore G. Bilbo.

About as likely a President as Groucho Marx. A howling racist, which played well in the Deep South, but not elsewhere. Yes, Jim Crow and segregation were still in play throughout the country, but Bilbo was a champion of the ugliest Southern attitudes.

Charles Lindbergh Vice President.

I guess you don't know that Lindbergh was a Republican, from a Republican family. And he was only 34 in 1936. He would have been ineligible by a month.

1937 - Battleship Bismark, Aircraft Carrier Graf Zeppelin launched.

If the Germans started re-arming in the mid-1920s, they would have battleships and a carrier completed long before 1937.
 
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