Timeline after year 1935.

Just as most posters said, it's highly unrealistic that a Baltic Union would make a lot of difference. Some, yes, but not that much. It would be nice though. If the Baltic Union somehow managed to become full-time members of the Allies and the Allies helped all those "Eastern Allies" to upgrade their military ALOT, then maybe something like this could happen.

I also see a big problem in the formation of such a Union. Lithuania would never join in any sort of agreement with Poland for as long as Vilnius region was occupied. Lithuania and Poland did not have diplomatic relations until 1938 or 1939. This alone might very well prevent any union among more states in Eastern Europe. Maybe Latvia and Estonia would join with Finland, but that would be a tiny agreement. Actually, I think it would have made more sense for Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to join the Anti-Commintern pact (they were more scared of Soviets than of Germany).

I like the maps though :)
 
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This looks somewhat more plausible than Estonia beating USSR into bloody pulp (especially without British Royal Navy providing cover and all kinds of support). Sorry to rain on your parade of dreams.
Estonia beat USSR after WW1. And the key was collaboration and good opportunitys coincidence. At first Russia gets beaten from Germany in WW1 and then "all" the Baltic sea countries + the White Russians. But who had said that same thing can not repeat. It is all about right timening. And one thing more: I never had read any Mart Laar's work.
 
Estonia beat USSR after WW1.
No it did not. For starters, USSR had been formed in 1922 and Estonia signed peace treaty with rump Bolshevist Russia in 1920. To clarify further, Estonia (supported by allmighty Royal Navy) barely repelled an attack from remnants of Petrograd garrison, weakened by 6 years of war before that. It all happened during the times when 15,000 of adventurers could beat their way to Petrograd's gates. Estonian victory is possible once Russia ceases to exist, not before that. I would say timeline with last map being first (i.e. Russia disintegrating under internal pressure and Baltic scavengers are gathering to tear the corpse apart) is something more believable.
But who had said that same thing can not repeat.
Your timeline. It describes sorriest collection of military dimwits between Atlantic and Urals beating the snot out of USSR and Germany IN THE SAME TIME. In universe where USSR and Germany are armed and ready for the war. That's why I said it is ASB.
 
Now what would really happens? Poland is smashed 5-15 days later than OTL,
Germany gets most of Lithuania and parts of Latvia too, where puppet regimes are established.
Not sure about this
This war didn't start till 1940, and 1939 Poland was in the midst of a a Military rebuilding.
They had all those French Planes and other stuff on Order.
Not sure what a 6 month delay would do to Germany's preparedness, But it would do wonders for Poland's.
 
Not sure what a 6 month delay would do to Germany's preparedness, But it would do wonders for Poland's.
Army needs months to get aquanted with new toys, otherwise it's just loss of money spent on purchasing. I would say your statement is correct for Autumn 1941, but delaying WWII for 6 months would do nothing to fighting abilities of Polish army.

Article strongly reflects Estonian POV, with numbers and descriptions directly drawn from Estonian propaganda booklets. Look at it's talk page. Several attempts to include Russian or independent (British, for example) sources to balance Estonian comixes had been gloriously repelled by concerted efforts of Estonian editors.
 

Susano

Banned
Nothing unusual on Wiki...

Jesus, thats so bad its bad again! Really does give a new meaning to "wank" and "wet dream timeline":rolleyes:
 
Nothing unusual on Wiki...
I did not say it was unusual, just provided some background to fresh readers unfamiliar with Eastern European wikizoo, where gangs of teenaged (and therefore raised on post-independence propaganda tales) editors from all newly independent states are busy spreading tales forged in fires of nationalistic movements.
 
Are you communist or what! You are usening words propaganda and nationalistic whid to great pleasure! Let me think your favorite superhero is Vladimir and your favorite word is Fasist.
Ok timeline to timeline, but this would be better is in it?
 
if i read this correctly this baltic union beats both nazi germany and the soviets with only little help from the allies....how does this not belond in the asb forum. hell i am not sure that the allies on there own inclouding poland could take on either nazi germany or soviets, but now because the baltic nations join in they can suddenly beat nazi germany the soviets and all of there allies all at the same time rolf lol ha ha ha.

I say i give the western allies and this baltic union 6 months tops before they are driven of the continent of europe a year before they loose control of the middle east and if there lucky britain on here island wil hold out 2 maybe 3 years tops (and even thats verry generous)
 
Are you communist or what! You are usening words propaganda and nationalistic whid to great pleasure! Let me think your favorite superhero is Vladimir and your favorite word is Fasist.
Ok timeline to timeline, but this would be better is in it?
I'd like to remind you that we're not in Estonia and State Security Police is not here to harass anyone not liked by true Estonian patriots. Political declarations like these (actually thinly weiled calls for State Security to intervene) only make you look stupid outside of Estonia.
 
if i read this correctly this baltic union beats both nazi germany and the soviets with only little help from the allies....how does this not belond in the asb forum. hell i am not sure that the allies on there own inclouding poland could take on either nazi germany or soviets, but now because the baltic nations join in they can suddenly beat nazi germany the soviets and all of there allies all at the same time rolf lol ha ha ha.

I say i give the western allies and this baltic union 6 months tops before they are driven of the continent of europe a year before they loose control of the middle east and if there lucky britain on here island wil hold out 2 maybe 3 years tops (and even thats verry generous)
Thous development are only in Europe!
 

Jomazi

Banned
No way the B.U can do anything like that.
OTL sucks, eh? Being small nations clammed in just next door to huge ones like Russia tend to do that.

However, I can think of one slightly more possible Balt-wank for you.
Have some other reginal powers support them.

Example: Soviet forces support the "Reds" in Finland far more than in OTL, causing the Finnish civil war be longer and bloodier. Red navy lands Russian troops in Aland. Sweden aids the Finns, eventually ousting the soviets. Now getting Sweden this "interventionist" requires some streching, but it could probably be done.

Finland and Sweden then supports the Baltic nations, forming a military alliance to relieve the pressure of the Karelian lines.

This would mean the USSR have a much harder time to take the baltic nations, but still, the "Alliance" would have five-six times smaller population than the USSR, if probably more industrialized.

To have this Alliance holding off the Soviets is possible. Carving up the USSR requires an ASB turning the Finns, Swedes, Estonians etc into Draka...

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This would mean the USSR have a much harder time to take the baltic nations, but still, the "Alliance" would have five-six times smaller population than the USSR, if probably more industrialized.
Whatever Baltic nations had of industrial value was built there by the Russian Empire and largely abandoned during independence. Those nations found itself in 1939 being agricultural economies. It, in turn, generated the whole issue of "Baltic Russians" post-WWII IOTL. Soviets were building industry to exploit local natural resources, to process crude materials before export or after being imported or to service Baltic Fleet and found severe lack of qualified industrial workers among locals. Ended up inviting Russophone workers from older industrial centers of Russia proper.

To have this Alliance holding off the Soviets is possible. Carving up the USSR requires an ASB turning the Finns, Swedes, Estonians etc into Draka...

"Get YOUR Russian bride today! Only 12 aurics!"
Finns and Estonians were pretty much Draka. According to Russian sources (hotly contested by Estonians) Estonian units of Nazi security machine are responsible for killing 50% of pre-war civilian population of Pskov region.
 
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