Timeless (NBC this fall: Hindenburg explodes, again)

In which our heroes travel back in time to save (destroy?) the Hindenburg.

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It gets the coveted post-Voice slot that propelled The Blacklist, but given that it's NBC I wouldn't bet money on success, alas. However it's always nice to see alternate history on television, perhaps it'll be better than some of the prior efforts.
 

Stolengood

Banned
It'll be no Man in the High Castle, that's for sure...

Seriously, why the Hindenburg, though? Surely there were other world events with more import and impact on a TL?
 
I like how the comments are already claiming it's NBC trying to Americanize El Ministerio Del Tiempo. :D

Given that it's an NBC show with this premise, I give it a full season at most before it gets cancelled.
 
It'll be no Man in the High Castle, that's for sure...

Seriously, why the Hindenburg, though? Surely there were other world events with more import and impact on a TL?

The bad guy must really be a fan of, or hate with unfathomable passion, airships and the airship era.

I hope, beyond hope, that it's a neat little closed loop. They follow the guy back in time, they stop him after some fun adventures, and then return to the future or whatever. None of this fading from existence in photographs nonsense.
 

Garrison

Donor
There's always the secret history element. For example among the passengers of the Hindenberg is the person who would have succeeded in assassinating FDR. So your time travellers have to ensure things happen exactly as we remember them.
 
It'll be no Man in the High Castle, that's for sure...

Seriously, why the Hindenburg, though? Surely there were other world events with more import and impact on a TL?

There's always the secret history element. For example among the passengers of the Hindenberg is the person who would have succeeded in assassinating FDR. So your time travellers have to ensure things happen exactly as we remember them.

Basically, this. The butterfly effect. Let's say... for example... Ernst Lehmann, one of the Hindenburg's captains, is still alive after May 1937. He could do something that could lead to, say, a saner person replacing Hitler, or someone more willing to use chemical weapons during the final months of the war.
 
And there's a comedy show with another time-travel-screwing-up-the-present premise on Fox, Making History.

There's also this article about how television scifi is talking about how black people travelling back to any earlier period in US history is inherently going to land them in a worse situation.

TV is finally catching on to something black sci-fi fans have known forever

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In Octavia Butler’s Kindred, Dana, a black woman living in 1970s California, repeatedly finds herself transported back through time and space to a pre-Civil War plantation in Maryland. There, she meets two of her ancestors. One is a white slave owner. The other, the legally free woman he’s keeping as his sex slave.

Using science fiction, the novel delves into complicated ideas about race, power, and identity as Dana finds herself flung back and forth between the past and present. In the process of telling Dana’s story, Butler powerfully explores the logic behind a truth that black sci-fi buffs have known forever: Time travel has never really been for black people.

Time travel really isn’t for black people.

As fun as the idea of being able to go back in time and change the course of history sounds, let’s be real—the farther back in time you go, life becomes objectively worse for black people (see: Jim Crow, segregation, slavery, etc.) Typically, writers don’t bother to get that deep into the implications of time travel and keep their stories focused on white people. This fall, though, two television shows on different networks are tackling black time travel head-on.


NBC’s Timeless is an action thriller about a trio of heroes chasing a villain through time, while Fox’s comedy Making History follows two modern-day men who go back to 1775 and try to incite the American Revolution. For both of the shows’ black leads, the past can be a terrifying place, and they’re none too shy about pointing that out to the audience.

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In Making History, Yassir Lester plays Chris, a history professor who quickly finds out that his blackness renders all of his knowledge more or less irrelevant the moment he tries to interact with the 18th century. To avoid getting shot in a pub, he quotes Cuba Gooding Jr.’s “show me the money” speech from Jerry Maguire to a group of drunken white men. They love it—because, you know, white people.

Timeless takes a more serious route in addressing the fact that the American past was fraught with danger for black people.


“I am black,” Malcolm Barrett’s character Rufus explains when pressed about why he’s hesitant to hop in a time machine. “There is literally no place in American history that will be awesome for me.”

It could be easy to write Timeless and Making History off as merely two networks’ attempts to shake up their programming schedules. In reality, though, the shows are contributing something much more complex to the way that we explore race through media.

Sci-fi heavyweight Philip K. Dick is famous for asserting that the media plays a large role in shaping peoples’ realities by letting our imaginations work through concepts that might otherwise be too difficult to address.

Timeless and Making History may not turn out to be scathing critiques of historical and modern race relations; we’ll have to wait until this fall to find out. But in drawing attention to what it would mean for people of color to go back in time, they’re encouraging other forms of sci-fi (be they books, movies, or TV shows) to be more thoughtful in the way that they incorporate race into their worlds.
 
There's always the secret history element. For example among the passengers of the Hindenberg is the person who would have succeeded in assassinating FDR. So your time travellers have to ensure things happen exactly as we remember them.

Like the third Pendragon Adventure book, where they find out the Hindenburg was carrying money to pay some people stealing tech from the US to Germany and they have to destroy it.

And there's a comedy show with another time-travel-screwing-up-the-present premise on Fox, Making History.

There's also this article about how television scifi is talking about how black people travelling back to any earlier period in US history is inherently going to land them in a worse situation.
Like the Louis CK bit, huh
 
If anyone wants the low budget version of Timeless there's a never picked up SyFy show called Rewind whose pilot is up on YouTube.

David Cronenberg nukes New York to get things started, but alas it's not the best after that. Some lovely old cars though, and shockingly decent discussion of how history could be altered via butterflies. Computers are literally magic though, they can simulate any change to the timeline and know what the result is (every board member's dream :))
 
And there's a comedy show with another time-travel-screwing-up-the-present premise on Fox, Making History.

There's also this article about how television scifi is talking about how black people travelling back to any earlier period in US history is inherently going to land them in a worse situation.
Wait, so NBC, ABC, and FOX now have time travel shows coming out in the next year? That's an interesting incident of competing shows.
 
1. Someone steals your timeship
2. Go back to yesterday.

This is exactly why El Ministerio... uses time portals that work on "real" time rather than a time machine.

Obvious plagiarism aside... Am I the only one who finds the funny black guy who only talks about race and future black artists and looks comically scared all the time kinda... cringeworthy? Seriously, why not go the extra mile, call him 'Sambo' and have a white actor with his face painted black play him?
 
Wait, so NBC, ABC, and FOX now have time travel shows coming out in the next year? That's an interesting incident of competing shows.

It's a great time for those of us who enjoy time travel fiction.

It's not so great a time for those of us who think logically.
 
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