Tiger II with more power, reliability and better armour

the Tiger II biggest problem, it's underpowered engine boozes gasoline
During combat the crew had to abandon there Tiger II do empty fuel tank
because of this General Patton label the Tiger II as "the world best roadblock"

another problem related to boozes is heavy armor of weak steel, do lack of steel stabilizer
had The Third Reich better Steel, it would have reduce the Mass of Tiger II do better armor to 70 tons
Also replace the 690 hp gasoline engine, with one for 1,500 hp turbo diesel engine
Why Wehrmacht insist on use for gasoline as tank fuel instead of Diesel like for soviet T-34, is for me a mystery...

cause diesel was desperately needed for the U-Boat fleet & the Coastal fleet....and by the end of the war to make JP-2 JET FUEL.
 
A better Tiger II?

Fit a long 75mm allowing the overall size to be smaller and the tank to be somewhat lighter and change its name to Panther II
 

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why on earth would you waste time with another monstrosity like that? For world of tanks?

Inventory Survivability of Tiger II was 50% in 1944/45, when the same figure for the Panther was 44%.

Further Jag Tiger & Tiger II in 1944 represented 30,240t AFV construction tonnage and another 27448t armor. Which built 377 T-2 & 61 JT , which represents ~ 188 T-2 & 61 JT in the 1944/45 inventory.

Had that same tonnage been added to the Panther production tonnage, it should have increased the numbers by 4851 through 1944, instead of 3799 historical build. Given inventory survivability that is 2135 vs 1671 or 464 more Panthers in inventory compared to 249 more tigers

If you by pass all 1944 Tigers and increase the Panther production from 3799 to 6233; with inventory numbers swelling from 1671 Panthers & 390 Tigers to 2743 Panthers.

About a 1/3 increase in heavy tanks in the inventory.

Not going to change much but if you applied this across the tank fleet using a high low mix you could end up with 7559 Panthers plus 10,000 Hetzer type StuG and possibly as many as 15,000 Pz-IV.

The end of year Inventory survival should leave you with ~ 5100 Pz-IV +3326 Panthers & 5000-7000 Hetzers
The main merit of Tiger and Tiger II tanks was the disruption of the Soviet wartime production. Would Soviet produce more T-34 and IS tanks instead of specialized SU-152 and ISU-152 SPGs (production number of which were inflated to create heavy tank destroyer battalions), the war would end sooner, even with larger number of Panther tanks on German side.

Also, some small improvements to Tiger were possible:
1) Scrap from beginning anti-magnetic mine coating (faster initial production)
2) Do not ramp up production of Tiger series beyond 200-300 vehicles for entire war, maintaining higher armour quality and deterrent role just enough to force mass deployment of ISU-152.
3) Additional clamps/brackets on back to carry infantry outside of armour (meat shield). Will improve survivability of tank crews and will ultimately lower total casualties due better experienced crews.
4) Smoke generator - i did not find any record mentioning Tiger series had smoke generator?

Overall, Tiger tank was not very effective in killing. But it had the potential to be used as terror device, sending much superior enemy forces into panic flight by the reputation of the invulnerability and deadliness.
 
4) Smoke generator - i did not find any record mentioning Tiger series had smoke generator?

Launchers on the sides
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and in the turret roof

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The Nahverteidigungswaffe, a 92mm grenade launcher that coup pop smoke, colored smoke, illumination and HE

With gasoline as fuel, you don't have anything to spray into the mufflers to make smoke
 
I think that several posters are quite correct. Germany did not have the fuel, the tank carriers, or the bridges to utilize something of this size. It scarcely matters what the claimed kill ratio is versus T-34, IS-2, Sherman. The infantry support purpose of the T-34 and Sherman is what won battles. Someone above on thread noted that funds would have been far better spent on Panthers and Mk-IVs. They would have been far more useful in supporting German infantry. They could not be used in a battle of manuver since they could not get from one place to another without excessive expenditure of fuel, road/bridge preparation, personnel etc. Had not heard the General Patton remark that they were a great roadblock
 
US Army had the same problem with M-103 tank: excessive weight and fuel consumption. There were problems in crossing secondary road bridges in Europe. They were placed at strategic choke pointsThe Marine Corps used them for a number of years until they had sufficient M-60s. It fit into USMC doctrine of getting a powerful and well protected mobile pill box ashore to support their amphibious troops
 
At work.

Yay turbo engine images! :D

Have link to some one's assesment/break down of Tiger II vs other 'Heavies' of the day. It indicates Tiger 2 was okay/pretty good. Will post link when I can.

From memory T 2 was about same or a little better than IS 2 etc in mobility. IS 2 was long, heavy mo-fo after all....

The 'Break downs' seem more of an early Panther smear. Tiger 2 and Panther had different final drives am pretty sure (Still, memory is a fickle thing)

By adding turbine,(With right/correct 'injectors/burners') ANY liquid fuel will drive turbine.

Over running Russian positions? Take their diesel.
Over running Allied stuff? Take their petrol.
Stuck at home, defending the front? Use the grain alcohol (Hooch the soldiers were going to keep warm with)

VAMPIRE Panzers ftw! XD
 
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In theory, if they get the HL234 with injection ready in time they can get about 1000hp. But the french, later and even with some Maybach engineers, only get about 850hp - reliable from the HL295 - an improved version of the HL234. If you risk an unreliable one you can get 1000 - 1200hp. 1500 don't think they can.
 
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