Actually I think a dynastic conflict did more than anything else to create a lot of petty rulers. If the Empire can stay together who knows what happens?A really interesting thing I found, Tibet used to be an Empire, around its Greatest Extent in 800 A.D.
Supposedly, they adopted Buddhism and that caused Tibetan to decline and become the region it is today.
So what would happen if Tibet continued as an Empire?
So what would happen if Tibet continued as an Empire?
Hsi-Hsia? What an odd way to put it. You mean XiXia? Conquered by the Mongols like all the other polities listed.Same that happened to Goguryeo, the Hsi-Hsia, the Manchu, the Vietnamese. China takes an interest. It is even barely possible that there will be a Tibetan dynasty at one point, but in the long run, geography and demography are not going to be argued with.
Hsi-Hsia? What an odd way to put it. You mean XiXia? Conquered by the Mongols like all the other polities listed.
Well, if the Mongols were to focus on China as opposed to the states around it at first it might be interesting. To my understanding the initial claims of China over Tibet have to do with their joint rule under the Yuan. Since the Yuan were Chinese (I guess) China ruled Tibet and so should always rule Tibet or something like that.Atlases tend to be inconsistent with transliteration. Anyway, the point is, look at where those states used to be and you find Chinese culture, often Chinese dominance. I don't see how a Tibetan Empire can escape that fate in the long run. Even if it were to remain independent, it would more likely than not end up heavily sinicised, and independence is iffy with a strong dynasty in power.
Well, if the Mongols were to focus on China as opposed to the states around it at first it might be interesting. To my understanding the initial claims of China over Tibet have to do with their joint rule under the Yuan. Since the Yuan were Chinese (I guess) China ruled Tibet and so should always rule Tibet or something like that.
Yes, Tibetan independence largely depends on a weaker China until the modern day but it could take some of the western regions during a long enough period of Balkanization without too much sincizing I think.
Tibet's best chance to stay out of China is probably to focus south. I think the idea of a Tibetan Empire uniting a large chunk of India is pretty interesting.
Tibetan armies invaded Bhutan around 1629, in 1631, and again in 1639, hoping to throttle Ngawang Namgyal's popularity before it spread too far. The invasions were thwarted
Lesson is do not mess with the Bhutanese.Bhutan's troubles were not over, however. In 1643 a joint Mongol-Tibetan force sought to destroy Nyingmapa refugees who had fled to Bhutan, Sikkim, and Nepal. The Mongols had seized control of religious and civil power in Tibet in the 1630s and established Gelugpa as the state religion. Bhutanese rivals of Ngawang Namgyal encouraged the Mongol intrusion, but the Mongol force was easily defeated in the humid lowlands of southern Bhutan. Another Tibetan invasion in 1647 also failed.
Interesting. That's the only map I've ever seen in my entire life that shows a Bengalese Tibet at the time of the Mongols. That is almost certainly an inaccuracy... where did you find that map?Problem with going south is you have the Himalayas in the way acting has a barrier.
Interesting. That's the only map I've ever seen in my entire life that shows a Bengalese Tibet at the time of the Mongols. That is almost certainly an inaccuracy... where did you find that map?
Problem with going south is you have the Himalayas in the way acting has a barrier.
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Tibet has gone South. A few times they have gone to war with small Bhutan and the Bhutanese always won.
Lesson is do not mess with the Bhutanese.
But supposedly Tibet at least in 1294 did include part of what is today extreme Eastern India and Western Burma all the way to the Ocean.
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Wouldn't a big issue with a Tibetan Empire be the fall in gloabal temperatures around 1300 or so? For maybe 400 years they'd fare alright, but once temperatures fall and suddenly the heartland of the empire on the Tibetan Plateau can't support nearly as large a population, wouldn't they collapse?