Three-way Cold War?

An Italy neutral in WWII?

After the war Benny as the leader of one of the few intact nation of the world can bring the other fascist regime of Europe (Spain and Portugal and maybe Greece if they are not invaded and if we are bold Argentine) to form a third, weaker but still important, diplomatic/military block in the strugle between USA and URSS.
In this TL maybe is Benny or one of his successor to help create the Non alligned movement

Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece? You HAVE to be joking! That is still far too weak even if you throw in Argentina.
 
Paul Kennedy states, in an almost throwaway fashion that the only other country with the industrial muscle to become a superpower in the same league as the USA and USSR was Germnay. So a CP victory in WW1, preferably by 1917 so the war doesn't become too radicalised, would set up Germany as a superpower and probably lead to a 3 way global rivalry. It probably needs nukes to really put a lid on open warfare, so perhaps WW2 would be in the form of the USSR, USA and Germany defeating and aligning the smaller powers such as Japan, Italy and France rather than the biggest powers at each other's throats.

This leaves 3 superpowers unchallengable apart from each other and jockeying for position around the world. I wonder if a superpower Germany would meddle in South America, being much closer than OTL USSR.
 
Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece? You HAVE to be joking! That is still far too weak even if you throw in Argentina.

Well wait till the oil of lybia flow and bring some money and think of what this little block can do expecially regarding decolonisation and the middle-east or the strategic position of the horn of Africa italian colonies.
A neutral Italy can use the war for obtain the OK for the invasion of Yugoslavia or get other little concession but the real boon will be in keeping intact her resource and basically be the local major power for awhile.
Yes realistically a lot weaker then USA and URSS but still a factor to consider nevertheless and frankly aside ASB intervention i don't see any other option for another player on the cold war game.
 
Well wait till the oil of lybia flow and bring some money and think of what this little block can do expecially regarding decolonisation and the middle-east or the strategic position of the horn of Africa italian colonies.
A neutral Italy can use the war for obtain the OK for the invasion of Yugoslavia or get other little concession but the real boon will be in keeping intact her resource and basically be the local major power for awhile.
Yes realistically a lot weaker then USA and URSS but still a factor to consider nevertheless and frankly aside ASB intervention i don't see any other option for another player on the cold war game.

RIGHT NOW the combined income of Italy,Spain,Portugul, Greece and Argentina is $4.35 Trillion going by the IMF numbers . The US alone is $14.65 Trillion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) During the Cold War it would be even worse. Also the bloc would have infighting, confused command chain, quite likely different weapon systems, and redundant logistical systems which will weaken its military power greatly. It wouldn't be considered real compitition for the rest of the NATO countries or the WP.
 
RIGHT NOW the combined income of Italy,Spain,Portugul, Greece and Argentina is $4.35 Trillion going by the IMF numbers . The US alone is $14.65 Trillion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) During the Cold War it would be even worse. Also the bloc would have infighting, confused command chain, quite likely different weapon systems, and redundant logistical systems which will weaken its military power greatly. It wouldn't be considered real compitition for the rest of the NATO countries or the WP.

i'm not consider or saying that this block will had a change of victory in a war or it will be an economic powerhouse but simple that can be a player in a ideological three way cold-war between fascism, democracy and communism.
And BTW the 'RIGHT NOW' in this case mean nothing, as said earlier for Italy count Lybia who by the 50's will have a sizeble italian population and oil can be used for propping up the economy or the colony in the Horn of Africa are in the just position for threaten the ships from the Suez canal and the Persian Gulf. After WWII if Italy stay neutral she will be in a unique position, basically the only european great power (even if last of the great power...or the first of the minor) to be intact, this can be an occasion for serious inroad expecially in the Balkan
For Portugal, they lost the colonial empire only in the 70's and fight with a weapons embargo with other nations backing them they can possibly hold Angola and Mozambique (better the first more resource rich) or simple to create more international tension, image just before the indian attack at Goa an Italian naval squadron reach the portughese colony so to warn the indian to not even think about it.
For Greece well that depends if there is no invasion and successive occupations by the nazi, in this case no looting and later civil war so the economic situation will be teoretically better.
So yes it will be infighiting (but frankly neither NATO or WP were infighiting free for use a little understatment) and seroius problem in common command and coordination, lesser on the logistical side as probably Italy (and in minor role Spain ) will be considered the weapons manufactoreer of the alliance, but as already stated this is not a world conquerer alliance just another player, who still mantain a good influence and military forces that cannot be ignored and who probably stay afloat playing one side against the other and mantaining a nuclear policy akin to the French one.
Or just to screw up more thing, image in this scenario that Israel at the eve of the six day war (or a similar conflict) reach Italy to gain aid as she probably had a similar problem in Lybia, and before the racial laws will be mentioned, with neutrality that bullshit will go away ASAP as done only to please Adolf and usually welcomed with a WTF by the population.
 
i'm not consider or saying that this block will had a change of victory in a war or it will be an economic powerhouse but simple that can be a player in a ideological three way cold-war between fascism, democracy and communism.
And BTW the 'RIGHT NOW' in this case mean nothing, as said earlier for Italy count Lybia who by the 50's will have a sizeble italian population and oil can be used for propping up the economy or the colony in the Horn of Africa are in the just position for threaten the ships from the Suez canal and the Persian Gulf. After WWII if Italy stay neutral she will be in a unique position, basically the only european great power (even if last of the great power...or the first of the minor) to be intact, this can be an occasion for serious inroad expecially in the Balkan
For Portugal, they lost the colonial empire only in the 70's and fight with a weapons embargo with other nations backing them they can possibly hold Angola and Mozambique (better the first more resource rich) or simple to create more international tension, image just before the indian attack at Goa an Italian naval squadron reach the portughese colony so to warn the indian to not even think about it.
For Greece well that depends if there is no invasion and successive occupations by the nazi, in this case no looting and later civil war so the economic situation will be teoretically better.
So yes it will be infighiting (but frankly neither NATO or WP were infighiting free for use a little understatment) and seroius problem in common command and coordination, lesser on the logistical side as probably Italy (and in minor role Spain ) will be considered the weapons manufactoreer of the alliance, but as already stated this is not a world conquerer alliance just another player, who still mantain a good influence and military forces that cannot be ignored and who probably stay afloat playing one side against the other and mantaining a nuclear policy akin to the French one.
Or just to screw up more thing, image in this scenario that Israel at the eve of the six day war (or a similar conflict) reach Italy to gain aid as she probably had a similar problem in Lybia, and before the racial laws will be mentioned, with neutrality that bullshit will go away ASAP as done only to please Adolf and usually welcomed with a WTF by the population.

Even with oil they will be a bit player.
 
Italy under Mussolini reachs a seperate peace with the Allies or remains neutral. In the 60's an International Third Position forms between Franco's Spain, De Gaulle's France and other right wing governments with firm anti-communist stances.
 
Britain is probably the best choice. It would need a much more integrated commonwealth though. The Empire couldn't survive by the end of WW2. If it was already an integrated commonwealth by WW2 then we can make them be like the satellite states of the USSR.
 
The Red Army takes Warsaw TL becomes true. That means that Barbarossa is the opening act of World War II. As they have no treaties with the USSR Britain and France are neutral until the following spring when Hitler moves west. The massive tank battles of the Eastern Front persuade the French to improve their tank strength and they able to stop the German invasion of their country. Germany tries to cut off American supplies to its enemies with a massive unrestricted submarine warfare that includes the accidental sinking of the Staten Island Ferry. The US declares war in September 1940. In October American forces arrive in France. Mussolini sees which way the wind is blowing and declares war on Germany. After the war, Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, Spain and Portugal form an alliance with Italy. Soviet occupied East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria join their Soviet masters in the Prague pact. West Germany, Denmark, Norway, Britain, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Iceland, Canada and the US form NATO.
 
Ottoman Empire 1950?

Had the allies placed the same regulations on the Ottomans that they did on Germany at the end of WWI, maybe a Turkish fascist might have come along instead of peaceful, secular Kemal Ataturk. This is just conjecture, but maybe it joins the Axis and reaches some kind of agreement at the end of WWII with the allies.
 
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