Thousand-Week Reich - A 'realistic' Nazi victory scenario

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    Thousand Week Reich - United States Territory of Sakhalin, 1963

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    Sakhalin is an island located north of the Japanese Island of Hokkaido, after the intense Russo-Japanese war it was divided between the Russian and later Soviet North Sakhalin at the 50th parallel and the Japanese Karafuto prefecture,
    the island has a harsh and cold climate but has plenty of coal, and Japan brought dozens of thousands of worker, and as many korean forced labour to the island. Japan always eyed the northern half of the island but refrained from doing so after the
    disaster in Khalkhin Gol, however the succesful german invasion of the soviet union would later change their mind, as the Soviet front line in europe was falling apart the japanese army launched a swift attack against the rest of the island, the poorly
    defended Sakhalin oblast fell in three weeks without heavy casualties, Japan continued to bring labor to the island, as the war turned for the worst for Japan the United States decided to launch an invasion of the island, to help the eastern soviet remnant, and
    to have a second base of operation like Okinawa in preparation of a potential invasion of the home islands, however after the nuclear bombings of japan by the United States and the subsequent surrender the US Army never managed to capture the whole island.

    Still the vast ressources of the islands and its ideal location to help the remnant of the Soviet Union in the cold war that was already shaping made the US annex the island, the military government gave the opportunity to the workers to go back to their respective countries,
    and nearly 60% of the 150,000 koreans workers did, finally able to live in a sovereign Korea, but the same wasn't true for the Japanese and the Russian, whose homeland was destroyed by the wars, succesful prospection brought many american investors and as the U.S. built several bases
    over the island its economy boomed, helped by dozens of thousands of Russian and Japanese workers who had lost everything in the wars, as the new Russian Republic, China and Japan stabilized in the 50s the United States shifted their focus from Asia to Europe, the economy of Sakhalin was
    self sufficient, and its population grew by nearly 50% in a little bit more than a decade.

    In 1963, the Reich stands defeated, but the question of the russian successor state is still unsolved, with several states still claiming siberia, and with a more and more aggressive Republic Of China the United States are focusing back to Asia, and in recent years more troups were sent to Sakhalin.
    Meanwhile the inhabitants of the island start to want representations, as the island is still under military occupation, more and more people from the various ethnic groups of the island want a civilian government, and with the recent admission of Alaska to the union, some even harbour desires of statehood

    Thanks to u/RiketVs ' for his Flag Design.
     
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    DPKdebator said:
    What happens to all the Germans after the dismantlement of the Reich? Are they all exiled to the German states, or do many places allow them to stay?
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    I'd assume they'd be deported into the German Confederal Union. All the Nazi atrocities have made everyone terrified of Germans, so it's likely they'd all be forced into Germany.
     
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    How are European Jews ITTL? I hope they're still around, at least. Would they be given their own state in Europe, I wonder? Or would they just be given Israel, like OTL?
     
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    Thousand Week Reich - CIA Map of the Regional Distribution of GNP in the German Reich, 1951

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    I already released a TWR map yesterday? Nah no way. (also yes i did give the map

    I tried something new, turns out Blender can open .svg


    Rest of the scenario -https://www.reddit.com/r/AP246/comments/7ch604/the_thousandweek_reich_a_realistic_nazi_victory/

    And its HOI4 mod in development - https://www.reddit.com/r/twrmod/

    Discord (for the mod)- https://discord.gg/7Zyc8RM

    The german economic boom after the war was shortlived, partially fuelled by the plunder of dozens of millions, the german economy was always on the verge of collapse, and by 1950 with the incredible military and public spending, the life for millions of german, but before all for hundreds of millions of non-german in europe was getting more and more difficult, the scarce reports from defectors and spies prompted the United States to order in depth reports on the german economy, a few months later the CIA would release a 2,000 pages account that highlighted the extremely dire situation of germany's economy, this map can be found on page 263.


    Compared to the Traditionaly wealthy regions in western germany and Bavaria, the eastern region beyond the elbe suffered a great deal from the Great depression, despite investments in transport and military infrastructure a clear divide in quality of life can be seen even 20 years after the crisis.

    The new eastern region of the Reich, both the General Goverment of Poland and the various Reichskomissariats were the worst hits by the Kleptocratics policies of the Reich, Mass starvation and nearly systematic extermination brought the quality of life in some part of russia to level unseen since the Holodomor, and sometime worse. Despite the large population - more than the reich itself - of the Reichskomissariat, their collective GDP was lower than even that of a single region of germany. And it wasn't the picturesque farms of german settlers that would bring an economic miracle. Eventually large german investments in ukrainian agriculture following the harsh winters of 1945 and 1947 would turn it into a globally productive region, if only due to its sheer scale, and at the cost of millions of deaths. The nearby Administration of the Caucasus would see its economy grow thanks to its vast oil ressources, and Götenland would be the only eastern region with a significant German population.

    Netherland was quickly and fully integrated into the economy of the reich, but the lack of international trade from the Embargo on the German block would hurt it badly, the Reichskomissariat of Belgium, north france and Romandy would become integrated into the reich by the late 40s, its vast mineral ressources and industry would turn it into a globally economically active region, although plagued by popular discontentment and resistance attacks.
     
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    Some very cool stuff in this scenario. Can I ask about Turkestan's approach toward the western refugees living there? My grandmother and great-grandmother spent most of World War II in the town of Fergana, Uzbekistan where according to my grandmother there was a decent-sized community of refugee Polish Jews. I presume in this TL those sorts of communities would have remained.
     
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    Thousand Week Reich - Map of American Surface to Air missile activity over Southern Sweden by the Security Service of the SS, 1955

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    EVERY DAY A NEW TWR MAP

    Based on this CIA Map https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/30848755396/in/album-72157674853424672/

    And of course thanks to the CIA for sharing their vintage maps.

    English version https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398714729247539210/464061422544879617/BalticSeaEng.png

    Rest of the scenario -https://www.reddit.com/r/AP246/comments/7ch604/the_thousandweek_reich_a_realistic_nazi_victory/

    And its HOI4 mod in development - https://www.reddit.com/r/twrmod/

    Discord (for the mod)- https://discord.gg/7Zyc8RM

    Sweden was always forced to stay close to the german block, with their access to the atlantic ocean under German control and with german puppets on nearly all sides, Sweden had no choice but to become economically dependent on the Reich. Finland was in a similar situation, although technically a German ally, the bad relations between Mannerheim and Hitler clearly highlighted that despite being awarded with all of Karelia and Kola, Finland's future wasn't in the german block.

    For the first years Both countries benefited from the short german economic boom, Sweden stayed the main Iron and Steel producer for Germany and some voices appeared in the Riksdag that maybe Germany domination wasn't so bad, but their opinion quickly changed when Germany's economy changed for the worse, when their finnish neighbour had to manage a refugee crisis of an unprecedented scale in human history, as millions of Slavs who were being threatened at worse of extermination, and at best of deportation and slavery tried it all out by going to finland, the closest democratic country, while Finland accepted more than 200,000 estonians, they couldn't accept more Russians than their own population, the unbelievable scale of the crisis made a lot of people in Sweden question the actual treatement of the Slavs, and Swedish investigations were the first to reveal the sheer insanity of what was called in Nazi circles "Generalplan Ost"

    By 1950 both Finland and Sweden decided to ally, an action that raised some eyebrows in germany, but the nazi yoke was too strong to actually ask for Atlantic Union help. That changed in 1952 with the start of the French Civil war, after it Undercover American technicians started to put the infrastructure needed for missiles in Sweden, masked as prospector they would conduct large construction over the course of the year, but the Nazi Secret Service would discover it, and in 1953, shortly after testing their first nuclear weapons in the russian expanses, Germany tested a 30 kt atomic bomb off the coast of Estonia, a reminder that shall Sweden accept Atlantic Union troop on their soil, Stockholm would cease to exist within hours.

    But Germany was falling apart, the death of the Hitler started a chain reaction that would lead to the start of the civil war, as Himmler, Speer, Keitel and Bormann fought for power, Sweden and Finland decided that it was enough and accepted American weapons, in early 1955 cargo ships under false banners delivered missiles on the Finnish ports of the Barents sea, these weapons would be put all over southern sweden, this change of alliegance startled the various german factions, but their hatred for each other prevented them from actually invading sweden.

    This map was commissioned by Himmler himself to the Sicherheitsdienst.
     

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    Drizzly Mary said:
    Is the war between the Atlantic Pact and the Nazis a brutal slog like AANW,or more like the Gulf War?
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    I'd say in between the two. It certainly jsn't 'easy' with the sheer amount of German defenders, defenses and their tenacity in resisting but Germany has been severely weakened by the civil war.
     
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    Thousand Week Reich, Reichskommissariat Ostland - Map and Demographic changes between 1939 and 1953

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    Rest of the scenario -https://www.reddit.com/r/AP246/comments/7ch604/the_thousandweek_reich_a_realistic_nazi_victory/

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    Discord (for the mod)- https://discord.gg/7Zyc8RM

    As a part of operation barbarossa, Germany invaded the baltic countries and belarus, both under Soviet control at the time, on July 17 1941 Hitler issued a decree to organize the recently conquered territories, the Reichskomissariat ostland would be formed from the former byelorussian soviet republic, the baltic countries and part of the ingria and pskov oblast of the RSFSR.

    The German considered the Baltic countries as historical german lands and as such were subject to the focus of the colonisation efforts of the reich. they promoted the areas around Riga, Curland and western estonia for colonisation, they built several resort towns there and tolerated the local populace in cities, at least those who weren't jew, disabled or "political dissidents", criterions that still encompassed nearly 400,000 people in the baltic countries, who were all killed, by late 1945 all the "undesirable" population of the reichskomissariat had been exterminated.

    But one couldn't stay that for the hinterland. As the war went on the reich's economy became more and more dependent on cheap forced labour, who often weren't paid at all, when the soviet union became too weak to pose any threat to germany, the economy was too reliant on what were effectively slaves (and would officialy become slaves in 1946 following a decree from the fuhrer), by 1944 the Reich worked over 7 million forced labourers, and that number rose considerably with the reconstruction efforts, by the late 40s the number would stabilize to about 15 million in the metropolitan until the start of the civil war, however the horrendous work conditions caused the death of many of these slaves, and the reich was in constant need of replacement, after the soviet war the german companies prefered slaves from the east rather than forced labourers from France, Switzerland or Belgium.

    While the ukrainian or muscovite reichskomissariat were far more populous, the higher stability and control of Ostland and the Annexed Polish lands made them the main source of forced labor, there over 1/3rd of the pre war population was enslaved. Quotas had to be filled, as many able bodied (officially over 16 years old and not disabled, effectively younger men were taken) men had to be deported to the reich for work, in the countryside military groups, sometime police forces, other times Einsatzgruppen were tasked to fill these quotas, a task they dedicated themselves to, and with virtually no repercussion for crimes, they often commited atrocities, if a town couldn't fill the quotas, all crops would be stolen, something that was sometime even done when they were filled. And if, by misfortune, a german soldier was shot, the task forces often would at best randomly kill 10 people, at worst, and it was often the case, burn the whole town to the ground.

    While in theory members of the SS and Orpo had to follow strict procedure, SS leaders and Orpo Officiers had a lot of power, consquently corruption was rampant and wealthy inhabitants of cities could avoid roundups.

    While High ranking nazi members had high hopes for the Colonization of the east, it turned out to be negligible, the short economic boom after the war dissuaded german from moving to the east despite government incentives. The colonization was first focused on the recently annexed polish territories, and eventually progress was made there, thanks to mass killing and deportation of poles the Wartheland and Weichseland had a german majority by the early 50s, but this process was much slower in the east (with the exception of gotenland, where 95% of the local population was killed or deported), the german government managed to attract a quarter million german on the baltic coast, but it was much harder in the byelorussian hinterland, where the few colonists lived in gated communities.The government awarded large plots of land to veteran, in a way not dissimilar to how Rome used to treat her veterans. They often worked many slaves, as plantations had 20 slaves in average.

    The reich faced a tough resistance, as nearly all inhabitant of the hinterlands had lost a close relative to the german genocidal acts, sadly the Reichskomissariat was in an unfortunate position as both a location with a strong resistance, contrary to the Polish occupied territories, and close to the reichs, contrary to the Muscovite and Caucasian RKs, as a result the SS decided to make it an exemple of stability, and they conducted particularly brutal anti partisans operation, in Byelorussia they would select an area several hundred km² large and kill and burn everything inside it, then repeat this a few months later somewhere else, these brutal operations claimed the lives of a quarter million people. But it strained the german forces, despite the relative stability of Ostland, police forces often couldn't reach many areas quick enough to arrest partisans, especially in the numerous swamps of the region. The occupation force also had a high rate of Sexualy transmitted diseases from rapes, diseases that were made worse by the medicinal delay the Reich had compared to the USA and UK, as many antibiotics couldn't be produced in suffiently large quantities for all the armed forces.
     
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    Thousand Week Reich - SS-Ordenstaat Prinz-Eugen Land (Serbian Banat)
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    A quick map i made.


    Starting from the late 17th century, swabians started to settle the areas around the danube in what is currently Serbia, this minority grew into the largest minority in the region after the serbs. After the invasion of Serbia by the wehrmacht, hungary and romania, both client states of Germany, wanted the serbian banat, to solve this Germany annexed the area to "protect german minorities", the military administration, officialy an autonomous part of serbia, effectively the sole authority on the region, decided to use banat as a home for all the germans living in the former yugoslavia, after declaring the region "judenrein" (as well as "clease of romas"), as well of in 1942, the military administration decided to create a SS division for the region, that would also be a peacekeeping force in the balkan, however they couldn't find enough volunteers and had to conscript people in it. This division would fight yugoslavian insurgent during the soviet war but would be quite unsuccesful, and it wouldn't be until the end of the war and the assignement of more ressources that it would be supressed, and even then it would still stay a mixed success as smaller scale attacks would continue until the french civil war. Over the years the SS division, called "Prinz Eugen" would gain power and in 1946 banat would be formally put under its control, and it would be renamed, Sepp Janko would have virtually all powers there.

    But not all ethnic germans living in the danube wanted to resettle in Banat, and they wanted to make the SS state larger, but Germany couldn't expand it without angering Hungary or Romania,
     

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    Ok, so this may be a bit of a long shot, I don't know how many of you are actually round here, but as you may or may not know, a HOI4 mod in collaboration with the Darkest Hour mod team is in development based on this timeline. We're currently recruiting devs, so if anyone has any relevant skills in HOI4 modding and is interested in contributing, just contact me in some way.

    Discord link - https://discord.gg/7Zyc8RM
     
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    Thousand Week Reich - Iraq Jordan Israel-Palestine Economic Community, 1958

    Hi! This is a map that was commisionned by u/TheNoobArser

    , he made the lore and i drew the map.

    After the stabilization of the Israeli-Palestinian Confederation in the aftermath of the Israeli-Palestinian–Syrian war there was an economic boom fueled by Western investment and aid, and also by Jewish aliyah. Jordan, which was eyeing up Palestine in the early fifties, was blocked from trade with Syria, so reluctantly it normalized relations with the Israeli-Palestinian Confederation and has signed several trade and border treaties with it. Not long after, the parties signed the Treaty Establishing the Jordan–Israel-Palestine Economic Community, also known as the treaty of Jerusalem, which established a common market in the afromentioned countries. Later Iraq also joined, because many of its traditional trade partners were now hostile.

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    Thousand Week Reich - Operation Downfall, the American Invasion of Japan, 1945

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    Hello again! I know that this part of the timeline isn't very different from other Operation Downfall stories, but i wanted to show how it happened in TWR

    EDIT: oops, well 1) sorry for the mistake in strenght, and also the "fascist wars" isn't a canon term, forget about it, just consider it as "Pacific war".

    In July 1945 the once great japanese empire was in ruins, four years before it gambled at Pearl Harbor and despite some initial success, the japanese navy and army was gradually pushed back toward the home islands by 1943 the American War Machine was in full strenght, outproducing Japan more than ten times, and a serie of disastrous naval battles in the Phillipines in mid 1944 striped Japan from the bulk of its Navy. But Japan would not surrender yet, as the two battle of Iwo Jima and Okinawa in december 1944 and February 1945 respectively have proven, and it became clear that the final battle would have to be fought on the home islands. In April 1945 the American High Command asked for a report on the readiness of the Atomic Weapon as some people thought it could force the emperor to surrend, but after learning that it wouldn't be available before late July at best, they decided to start the operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan, which would be helped by nuclear bombs.

    On 25 July 1945 (X-Day), the United States forces consisting of the Sixth Army, supported by the US Third, Fifth, and the Seventeenth Fleets along with the British Pacific Fleet all supported from the air by the US Far East Air Forces, US Strategic Air Forces of the Pacific, the joint Anglo-Canadian Tiger Force, and the Australian First Tactical Air Force commenced Operation Olympic in the invasion of Kyūshū. This force went up against initially the 57th and 40th Armies, part of the Second General Army which consisted also of the 16th Area Army, the 216th Division, supported by the Volunteer Fighting Corps (国民義勇戦闘隊 Kokumin Giyū Sentōtai), supported at sea by 100 Koryu-class midget submarines, 250 Kairyu-class midget submarines, 1,000 Kaiten manned torpedoes, and 800 Shinyo suicide boats, supported in the air by the Sixth Air Army, of which consisted 5,000 aircraft assigned as kamikazes, 5,000 aircraft available for kamikaze service, 7,000 aircraft in need of repair. (The Volunteer Fighting Corps was very poorly equipped, mostly using molotovs, swords, knives, bayonets, polearms, staves, clubs and truncheons, sharpened bamboo and wood, antiquated firearms. Grenades were however very common).

    The invasion was predated by a week of intensive American operations such as a diversionary landing with 2 divisions on the island of Shikoku, intensive bombing of the main communication and transport nodes of Kyūshū and an initial disembarkment on the small island of Shimo-Koshiki, off the coast of Kyūshū.

    A few hours after the initial landings, the first nuclear weapon used in warfare was dropped on Miyakonojō, a city that held the Japanese 25th Division’s headquarters and a railroad junction. The heat of the blast simply tempered the Japanese resolve.

    On 3 August, the second nuclear bomb was dropped, this time on an industrial target - the city of Kokura, to halt the city’s production of munitions, anti-aircraft guns, and beach head fortification materials. Fighting was apocalyptic. Kamikaze attacks, banzai charges, bunkers everywhere, suicidal grenade ambushes followed by a futile charge of swords, knives, and spears of the Volunteer Fighting Corps (KGS) resulting in their slaughter, civilians committing suicide in the name of the emperor. Despite their resolve, the Japanese High command gave the order of a retreat from the coast of southern Kyushu - where they were easy targets for the gunships - toward the mountains and forests, allowing quick advances in early august by the Invading forces, but the Japanese forces would constantly attack the American forces, preventing them from going inland, and inflicting heavy casualties on the defending troops.

    By X+30 (August 24) American casualties were at 68,000 including 5,000 casualties at sea. Japanese casualties were at 195,000, not including civilian and KGS. The Japanese used chemical weapons against the invasion forces to little effect. In retaliation, the Allied forces deployed chemical weapons not only against military forces, but also against rice and corn crops. Using low-flying aircraft and cluster bombs, the affected crops would be utterly destroyed within twelve hours.

    Following the first two bombs, by the end of August a third bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. Convinced the United States couldn’t possibly have more, the Japanese kept fighting on. In September the bloody fighting in southern Kyūshū continued. In this time period, the military casualties reached their highest rates. By the end of September, a bomb was dropped every week. The targets were Nagasaki, Niigata, Ōita, and Kumamoto. The Japanese resolve started to become malleable in the heat. In October, four more bombs were dropped on Nagoya, Fukuoka, Tosu, and Yokohama.

    Finally, on October 26, X+93, V-Day the Japanese government surrendered, although not without complications. By X+93, American casualty figures were at 328,000 not including naval and air losses. Japanese losses were at 1.2 million, not including KGS and civilian casualties. Japanese resolve had melted into a steaming puddle. Celebrations broke out all across the United States and the war that had begun on December 7, 1941 was finally over. 45% of American casualties had occured in the last 93 days of the war.

    In Berlin news of the new american bomb shook hitler, whose scientist and engineers asserted that such a weapon was unrealisable with their ressources, the fuhrer would order the immediate restart of the nuclear program, but the shortage of skilled scientist and spy ring in America would make this endeavour much harder than planned, and across the Atlantic the American War Machine was not resting. In both countries it was becoming obvious that the next decades would define not only the future of their nations, but of Mankind as a whole.

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    But now you may ask, how does it translate into the mod?

    The American Industry received a massive boost from investments during the war, and the nation still remember the war very well.

    , but the generation of soldiers who fought during the war will be phased out, and the baby boom will bring younger citizens who don't remember the war and who won't make the same sacrifices their parents did for their country. As such the bonus from this national spirit will slowly become more powerful, every 5 years or so: in 1955 ; in 1965
    . So it may be a good idea to attack Germany as early as possible during the civil war.

    Thanks to EineKatze ( u/therealeinekatze ) for writing the description and making these national spirits and events!
     
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